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  evolpc

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9/23/12 1:49:04 PM#41
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by evolpc
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by evolpc
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by evolpc

I see so many people implying that in order to enjoy Darkfall one has to be a "Ganker". This could not be more of a lie. I played for at least 2 years cumulatively and never did I go to a starter town and gank new people. Most players I rolled with would not even consider that fun. Granted there will always be some who will engage in that sort of activity but it is hardly a barrier. It can be easily enough avoided or overcome by different means.

I think a lot of you just cannot accept that you might not be very good. I accepted that and still enjoyed my time. I did not feel like I always have to win to be happy in the game. I realized how easy it was to replace my gear and enjoyed playing with my clan. I was not horrible but was also not a stand out like some people I know. However I played the game my way and I think at some point I got to kill and loot or atleast compete against all those stand outs that are rightfully very skilled. I tried to always be improving with my character and with my group play skills. Also showed up for every clan seige and activity that I could. Never did getting ganked ruin my day. Then again I put my ego in check when I logged in each day.

This "Everybody Wins" political correct b.s. just doesn't exist in Darkfall.

 

 Who in the world implied that you had to gank newbies to enjoy DF? 

And ganking doesn't just mean killing new players.  You could play for 3 years straight, if you're out chopping on a tree and a group of players comes up and kills you, you just got ganked. 

Taken from Urban Dictionary : Ganking is the process in which a group of charecters gang up on one or more players that do not have a chance to defend themselves, Or when one high level player does the same action to a player way below his or her own level.

I think many people have their own definition of ganking though. A lot of people would say that if they are out farming mobs and someone sneaks up, kills them 1v1 and loots them that they got ganked. The examples go on and on.

Quote from earlier in this thread:

On the other hand it is good that there is a game for those that feel the need to Gank.

Also have seen a lot of it in other threads sporadically since the UW announcement. What to some people constitutes good, old PVP is defined by others as ganking. Tell me you have not noticed this??

 

 OMG...

Read the fist example of the definition you quoted, then read the last sentence of what I wrote. 

I haven't noticed because I stopped paying attention to that sort of comment a long time agao.  I know it's nonsense and that the only people who say it are people who simply don't like non structured pvp.  No reason to indulge that sort of trolling really. 

Yeah I get it, believe me your wisdom was not lost on me, and nothing I said was debating the validity of what you said but rather was discussing the ambiguity of the term "gank". This is a term that is used a lot when discussing Darkfall and as such I thought it a perfectly legitimate topic for conversation. Guess I thought we were having a discussion. Apparently you are having an argument. Why are you so mad?

 People who won't play a game like DF will never refer to pvp as pvp, it's always ganking.  They do the same with EVE.  Hell, they do the same with WoW. 

I apologize, it's some of the responces I've gotten to things I've written that are getting a little rediculous.  To the point that it's just a bunch of ya huh! because there's apparently something horrible about the idea that AV recognized their first attempt wasn't very good and that the best solution was to simply redo the game and hope it's better the second time around. 

Instead it's, the games fine it's just you, as though the thousands upon thousands of people that tried it and quit are to blame and not AV making a game that was simply not very good, and had a lot of flaws. 

 

Really though, the whole ganking thing is just....I'm a goonwaffe member in EVE, according to most people I'm just a basement dwelling kneckbeard psociopath that just wants to scam and gank newbies and miners.  There's just no point in trying to explain to anyone that refers to games like DF as just people who want to gank because they'll never get it. 

I really do think there were a ton of problems with DF. I guess for me I accepted and tried to excuse some pretty big things that bugged me about the game such as no skillcap, macroing, load lag, bunnyhopping, etc. The only reason I tried to excuse them was because at the core was a game that was so different and I enjoyed so much. It was always a struggle with being annoyed by those problems. I also find myself doing the same thing in many AAA titles though. And in the end DF with all its issues still provided me with more of what I enjoyed than those AAA titles have.

I hope that people are not defending the original DF on the grounds that it did not have problems. This would certainly be a lie. I know personally I am very excited that I may be able to play the new version of Darkfall and not have to make so many excuses to myself for it. If it required them to make a whole new game to provide that then I am glad they went ahead and did it. As part of the ongoing original Darkfall community I wish their communication on the matter had been better. I hope they pull it off. Any win for a game such as this is a good thing in my opinion.

  Uhwop

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9/23/12 2:03:17 PM#42
Originally posted by evolpc
 

I really do think there were a ton of problems with DF. I guess for me I accepted and tried to excuse some pretty big things that bugged me about the game such as no skillcap, macroing, load lag, bunnyhopping, etc. The only reason I tried to excuse them was because at the core was a game that was so different and I enjoyed so much. It was always a struggle with being annoyed by those problems. I also find myself doing the same thing in many AAA titles though. And in the end DF with all its issues still provided me with more of what I enjoyed than those AAA titles have.

I hope that people are not defending the original DF on the grounds that it did not have problems. This would certainly be a lie. I know personally I am very excited that I may be able to play the new version of Darkfall and not have to make so many excuses to myself for it. If it required them to make a whole new game to provide that then I am glad they went ahead and did it. As part of the ongoing original Darkfall community I wish their communication on the matter had been better. I hope they pull it off. Any win for a game such as this is a good thing in my opinion.

 Don't get me wrong, I may have nothing but bad things to say about DF, but that in now way means I won't be trying UW when it releases. 

I'll even pay for it if they decide to be the greedy, unscrupulous company I expect them to be and charge people. 

I just really don't like the idea that just because some of us don't like DF that it means we don't like the kind of game DF is.  When the truth is there are a lot of us that want to play a game like darkfall, but we want a good version.  Just like I really want to play MO, but good lord, I want to actually work. 

So many people would rather thing be black and white.  Either you're a hater or you're a fanboy.  As if you can't be a fan of the concept but not like the execution itself. 

  bingbongbros

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9/23/12 2:16:19 PM#43

the op should of never even have bought the game.  How do people not realize what this game includes before buying it? FFA FULL LOOT PVP, means hey those big bads orks are gonna face stomp you and then take your goblin gear.

 

Darkfall has it's own community that enjoys what it has to offer and many are very excited, myself included, about the relaunch.  OP, instead of quitting like a girly man, you should have found a guild that hunts the players who lie in wait outside of newbie cities.

 

I was in one of those guilds.  We would patrol around cities of races that were either alligned with us or near our city/hamlets.  Those player killers would always run for the hills when someone wearing something other than goblin gear showed up.

 

They only camp newbies because they are failures at killing people in their own skill range.  It's called becoming part of the community, either for bad or good.

 

This game is incredibly niche, it isn't a WoW clone or anywhere near killer.  It isn't going to coddle you and rub your belly when something happens to your character in the game.

 

It's brutal and unforgiving, if you can't deal with that then there are 100000000 other mmo's on the market that will.  Like Free Realms, it's a very nice, safe, and ork rape free game.

 

For all those who know what Darkfall is, and want to try it or play it again. I'll see you in game, maybe even be standing over your corpse.

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  Uhwop

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9/23/12 2:22:54 PM#44
Originally posted by bingbongbros

the op should of never even have bought the game.  How do people not realize what this game includes before buying it? FFA FULL LOOT PVP, means hey those big bads orks are gonna face stomp you and then take your goblin gear.

 

Darkfall has it's own community that enjoys what it has to offer and many are very excited, myself included, about the relaunch.  OP, instead of quitting like a girly man, you should have found a guild that hunts the players who lie in wait outside of newbie cities.

 

I was in one of those guilds.  We would patrol around cities of races that were either alligned with us or near our city/hamlets.  Those player killers would always run for the hills when someone wearing something other than goblin gear showed up.

 

They only camp newbies because they are failures at killing people in their own skill range.  It's called becoming part of the community, either for bad or good.

 

This game is incredibly niche, it isn't a WoW clone or anywhere near killer.  It isn't going to coddle you and rub your belly when something happens to your character in the game.

 

It's brutal and unforgiving, if you can't deal with that then there are 100000000 other mmo's on the market that will.  Like Free Realms, it's a very nice, safe, and ork rape free game.

 

For all those who know what Darkfall is, and want to try it or play it again. I'll see you in game, maybe even be standing over your corpse.

 It's amazing, even the fans of the game are trolling each other. 

Maybe you should reread the OP a little more carefully. 

OP didn't quit darkfall, he quit EVERY OTHER GAME.  

I thought the every other game part was pretty clear. 

  elvrage

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OP  9/23/12 3:04:45 PM#45
Originally posted by Uhwop
Don't get me wrong, I may have nothing but bad things to say about DF

Honestly, in every post you make, you just sound like a spoiled 15 year old kid whose parents won't buy him a brand new Mustang.

Then you post this, where you admit that all of your feedback is negative. So why the hell are you on these forums then? Are you this mad that they made a game that wasn't up to your so called standards? Or are you just attempting to troll the community by spouting out random negative things in every thread?

You're not contributing at all, you're just attacking everybody, and being butthurt about the game because it had flaws.

We all know the game had flaws, we don't need Captain Obvious to point that out in every thread. It makes you look childish and immature.

  Kyleran

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9/23/12 3:30:42 PM#46
Originally posted by solarine
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by Kyleran
Yeah, I let my personal dislike of unrestricted full loot keep my from giving the first DF a try, this time around I'm going to discard that and give it go.

I think I may be joining you. Maybe this game will help purge the sickening saccharine taste from all these "Candyland MMOs" from my palate.

I think I'll give it another go as well.

And I'm saying "another", because I did try Darkfall back when, but only as part of a trial. Sadly the movement / combat didn't really feel smooth to me at all, and from the admittedly little I saw, the community left a bit to be desired. Granted, it's always like this in PVP-heavy MMOs.

On the other hand, the gameworld, the openness, and that sense of foreboding was really something you could hardly find anywhere else.

So, if I can find a laidback, mature guild, this time I'm going for it. :)

Closing note: I always hoped we'd see a ground-based game that had EVE's security-ranking system, rather than what Darkfall had. I think it just works and suits me better than full-out FFA PVP. Oh well, this is what we can have now, so I'll take it.

Yeah, I'm with you, I'd prefer a system of risk control such as EVE's but like you said, this is what is available, so might as well make the best of it.

 

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  FrodoFragins

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9/23/12 3:38:41 PM#47
full loot pvp is a huge turnoff to me.  Just not my thing.
  Snakex

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Unfortunately, killing is just one of those things that gets easier the more you do it.

9/23/12 3:45:26 PM#48
Originally posted by elvrage
What I witnessed made me uninstall every other game on my computer.

Amen

 

  User Deleted
9/23/12 3:47:34 PM#49

Good thing theres only thousands of other games out there for those who cant adapt to a game where you could lose all your easily replacable items.

 

Full loot games isnt what i think most assume it is...basically losing your purple set of raid gear that took you 50 runs to get.

You losing gear that was going to break anyway though pve had you not been ganked...yeah you probably lost more loot that you wanted to since you were farming but now you know to bank every 40min rather than every 1hr..lesson learned.

 

Honestly i cant play or enjoy a mmorpg anymore if i dont have to watch my back...its just so boring minus the risk.  Dont get me started on pvp in themeparks either...so mainly "lol hardcore pro pvpers" who wouldnt touch pvp with a 10 foot pole if anything was actually at risk.

 

Only thing i do agree on was the fail DF 1.0 starter spawns which were camped at launch and drove many out the game...since many were basically not allowed to progress while they sufferd throught he DF GUI learning curve...which was comparable to an eve learning curve it was so shitty and non-sensical in function.

  Snakex

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Unfortunately, killing is just one of those things that gets easier the more you do it.

9/23/12 3:51:05 PM#50

DF.1 Is being remade as DF;UW because of the fact that, DF was a great game, but it had to many exploits that were abused and cant be fixed, ontop of that, the fact that they allow everyone to be a master at everything causes a balance issue.

You can look at it like, DF 1 was a trial and error type of thing to perfect DF;UW

So DF was a testing subject while DF:UW should be the Final product

  Nizur

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9/23/12 3:53:06 PM#51
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
full loot pvp is a huge turnoff to me.  Just not my thing.
[mod edit]

Overreact much? Seriously, the guy doesn't like full loot PvP. Doesn't make him a pussy.

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  ZigZags

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9/23/12 3:56:20 PM#52
People need to learn to read. I feel like half of these comments were made without the writter even reading what the OP wrote.

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  D3lit3

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Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 103

9/23/12 3:57:22 PM#53
Originally posted by Nizur
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
full loot pvp is a huge turnoff to me.  Just not my thing.
[mod edit]

Overreact much? Seriously, the guy doesn't like full loot PvP. Doesn't make him a pussy.

Hmm ok Plato, what does it make him them? 

 

Hmmm let me think...a person that does not like full loot PvP and cares about losing their hard earned virtual pixels...hmm not many words are coming to mind.

 

You gotta remember there is literally one reason why people don't like full loot PvP. There arent multiple.

  Nizur

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Joined: 5/15/09
Posts: 1428

9/23/12 3:58:36 PM#54
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by Nizur
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
full loot pvp is a huge turnoff to me.  Just not my thing.
[mod edit]

Overreact much? Seriously, the guy doesn't like full loot PvP. Doesn't make him a pussy.

Hmm ok Plato, what does it make him them? 

Hmmm let me think...a person that does not like full loot PvP and cares about losing their hard earned virtual pixels...hmm not many words are coming to mind.

You gotta remember there is literally one reason why people don't like full loot PvP. There arent multiple.

It makes him someone who doesn't like something you and I do. Get over it.

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  Ikonis

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Posts: 182

9/23/12 4:01:22 PM#55
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by Nizur
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
full loot pvp is a huge turnoff to me.  Just not my thing.
[mod edit]

Overreact much? Seriously, the guy doesn't like full loot PvP. Doesn't make him a pussy.

Hmm ok Plato, what does it make him them? 

 

Hmmm let me think...a person that does not like full loot PvP and cares about losing their hard earned virtual pixels...hmm not many words are coming to mind.

 

You gotta remember there is literally one reason why people don't like full loot PvP. There arent multiple.

Losing virtual items and acting like a tough guy on the internet doesn't make you tough.

  MadnessRealm

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Joined: 1/02/09
Posts: 2706

Ignorance is Bliss.

9/23/12 4:02:14 PM#56
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by Nizur
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
full loot pvp is a huge turnoff to me.  Just not my thing.
[mod edit]

Overreact much? Seriously, the guy doesn't like full loot PvP. Doesn't make him a pussy.

Hmm ok Plato, what does it make him them? 

 

Hmmm let me think...a person that does not like full loot PvP and cares about losing their hard earned virtual pixels...hmm not many words are coming to mind.

 

You gotta remember there is literally one reason why people don't like full loot PvP. There arent multiple.

Just because someone doesn't like to lose his item doesn't make him a pussy. It's merely a different taste, and there are MMOs that cater to such type of players. Just like there are games that caters to the FPS crowd, the RPG crowd, RTS crowd, etc. You're not "better" because you like FFA PvP.

 

 

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  D3lit3

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Joined: 2/26/09
Posts: 103

9/23/12 4:03:13 PM#57
Originally posted by Nizur
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by Nizur
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
full loot pvp is a huge turnoff to me.  Just not my thing.
[mod edit]

Overreact much? Seriously, the guy doesn't like full loot PvP. Doesn't make him a pussy.

Hmm ok Plato, what does it make him them? 

Hmmm let me think...a person that does not like full loot PvP and cares about losing their hard earned virtual pixels...hmm not many words are coming to mind.

You gotta remember there is literally one reason why people don't like full loot PvP. There arent multiple.

It makes him someone who doesn't like something you and I do. Get over it.

Are you saying there has to be no reasoning behind his logic for disliking something? 

 

Do you mean to tell me I can just say "Meh, asian people are a turnoff for me. Just not my thing" 

 

 

  Nizur

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Joined: 5/15/09
Posts: 1428

9/23/12 4:06:47 PM#58
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by Nizur
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by Nizur
Originally posted by D3lit3
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
full loot pvp is a huge turnoff to me.  Just not my thing.
[mod edit]

Overreact much? Seriously, the guy doesn't like full loot PvP. Doesn't make him a pussy.

Hmm ok Plato, what does it make him them? 

Hmmm let me think...a person that does not like full loot PvP and cares about losing their hard earned virtual pixels...hmm not many words are coming to mind.

You gotta remember there is literally one reason why people don't like full loot PvP. There arent multiple.

It makes him someone who doesn't like something you and I do. Get over it.

Are you saying there has to be no reasoning behind his logic for disliking something? 

Do you mean to tell me I can just say "Meh, asian people are a turnoff for me. Just not my thing" 

That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is it doesn't matter what his reasons are. It doesn't make him a pussy. It doesn't make him anything other than a guy who doesn't like something you do.

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  Pie_Rat

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Joined: 7/02/05
Posts: 295

9/23/12 4:12:54 PM#59
Originally posted by elvrage

What I witnessed made me uninstall every other game on my computer.

I'm a bit like you. When someone pisses me off, I immediately run home and beat the crap out of my dog. If my GF is around I might beat her up a little aswell just for good measure.

  killer128

Novice Member

Joined: 12/20/09
Posts: 22

9/23/12 4:26:15 PM#60
Originally posted by Failings
Originally posted by elvrage

What I witnessed made me uninstall every other game on my computer.

I'm a bit like you. When someone pisses me off, I immediately run home and beat the crap out of my dog. If my GF is around I might beat her up a little aswell just for good measure.

oh god this made me laugh way harder than it should have lolol


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