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  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

9/21/12 2:22:31 PM#81
Originally posted by Zekiah
 

I don't see anything new, re-packaged but not new. DEs are nothing more than auto-quests. What else is there that could be considered new? I don't see anything new. Everything was done pretty well, for what it is, but it's still nothing new and I just see right through it. I suppose I've been around the block so many times that I resent trying to be tricked by being told it's "NEW AND EARTH-SHATTERING!"

Know what I mean? Every. Single Game. "Check us out! We're new and game-changing!"

Nah, I'm not buyin' it. It's all just re-cycled and re-packaged content from games of years past.

if that's honestly how you feel i'd not expect much from video games for quite awhile... maybe wait till real VR is out or something.

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Zekiah

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Posts: 2539

Hype (noun)
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2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

9/21/12 2:24:15 PM#82
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Zekiah
 

I don't see anything new, re-packaged but not new. DEs are nothing more than auto-quests. What else is there that could be considered new? I don't see anything new. Everything was done pretty well, for what it is, but it's still nothing new and I just see right through it. I suppose I've been around the block so many times that I resent trying to be tricked by being told it's "NEW AND EARTH-SHATTERING!"

Know what I mean? Every. Single Game. "Check us out! We're new and game-changing!"

Nah, I'm not buyin' it. It's all just re-cycled and re-packaged content from games of years past.

if that's honestly how you feel i'd not expect much from video games for quite awhile... maybe wait till real VR is out or something.

That thought has crossed my mind quite a bit lately. Sadly.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  PieRad

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9/21/12 2:25:01 PM#83

Do the hearts... A lot of the time there are DE's overlapping the hearts so you do both at the same time.. And always stick around when you finish a DE, it might take 10-20 seconds before the next step starts.

 

Use the hearts as pointers and do DE's as priority, use scouts to get hearts marked on map in undiscovered areas.

Once you're 90%+ on a map, tele to heart of mist, use portal to Lions Arch, in Lions arch there's asura gates to other races starter zones, do these and you won't have problems with being too low lvl.

Look at the world map, there's plenty of zones to lvl in for all lvls.

 

And last, when you explore the edges of the zone you're in, and find a portal to the zone that's next to it, go through it, just to get the waypoint on the other side, so that once you're correct lvl for that zone, you can use the waypoint, instead of running.

  william0532

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Joined: 7/16/11
Posts: 240

9/21/12 2:26:30 PM#84
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Zekiah
 

I don't see anything new, re-packaged but not new. DEs are nothing more than auto-quests. What else is there that could be considered new? I don't see anything new. Everything was done pretty well, for what it is, but it's still nothing new and I just see right through it. I suppose I've been around the block so many times that I resent trying to be tricked by being told it's "NEW AND EARTH-SHATTERING!"

Know what I mean? Every. Single Game. "Check us out! We're new and game-changing!"

Nah, I'm not buyin' it. It's all just re-cycled and re-packaged content from games of years past.

if that's honestly how you feel i'd not expect much from video games for quite awhile... maybe wait till real VR is out or something.

No joke, nothing short of the matrix or a video card that gives handjobs is going to impress that guy. You resent being tricked? Lol, whatever guy, people who create will always think they have created something great, creators don't make games and say, "yes, its a piece of crap, play it" THEY USUALLY BELIEVE IN THEIR PRODUCT!!!

  Zekiah

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Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 2539

Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

9/21/12 2:34:00 PM#85
Originally posted by william0532
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Zekiah
 

I don't see anything new, re-packaged but not new. DEs are nothing more than auto-quests. What else is there that could be considered new? I don't see anything new. Everything was done pretty well, for what it is, but it's still nothing new and I just see right through it. I suppose I've been around the block so many times that I resent trying to be tricked by being told it's "NEW AND EARTH-SHATTERING!"

Know what I mean? Every. Single Game. "Check us out! We're new and game-changing!"

Nah, I'm not buyin' it. It's all just re-cycled and re-packaged content from games of years past.

if that's honestly how you feel i'd not expect much from video games for quite awhile... maybe wait till real VR is out or something.

No joke, nothing short of the matrix or a video card that gives handjobs is going to impress that guy. You resent being tricked? Lol, whatever guy, people who create will always think they have created something great, creators don't make games and say, "yes, its a piece of crap, play it" THEY USUALLY BELIEVE IN THEIR PRODUCT!!!

No need to be crass about it. There are a few titles I'm looking forward to like The Repopulation and ArcheAge.

You are correct about marketing though, as long as gamers on average keep buying the hype we'll keep getting the same old re-packaged content. I don't expect that to change anytime soon though.

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  Rhianni32

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Joined: 3/23/10
Posts: 223

9/21/12 2:34:50 PM#86

If you think the map shows everything in the game then you arent the explorer you think you are.

 

Hearts annoy the crap out of you because you want to be told why you are doing things. Have you tried talking to the actual heart NPCs because they tell you the story and whats going on. There are plenty of DEs that don't have a story. Do you have a problem with those?

 

  Vorch

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Joined: 9/18/11
Posts: 809

9/21/12 3:27:23 PM#87
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Zekiah
 

The chests in GW2 suck, not worth trying to get to. I don't find searching for new landscapes interesting either. If finding something to look at is a goal worth accomplishing for you then you've found the right game.

found lots of good stuff in chests so far plenty of greens and couple yellows.. got a stack of things for mystic forge crafting and lots of transmutation stones as well as various boosters.. not sure what you are looking for exactly.. seems like you are on themepark burnout.. not sure why you would force yourself through another themepark game.

This will be the last, I assure you. And I can guarantee most of you will come to the same conclusion eventually. The same old Skinner Boxes eventually get old. Very old.

could say that about any game in pretty much any genre.. when you have been playing video games for 20 years + it takes a lot to get me into a game for more than a month nowadays.. for example TL2 fun game played it 6 hours last night plus what i played in beta.. but already sorta bored with it.. too much of the same to me.. just matter of perspective and waht yuo really enjoy in a video game

Agreed. It's not just MMOs that I have issue with either, they're all recycling and it's getting extremely stale. I just picked up TL2 and I'm having a difficult time playing at all. It's kinda like watching the same recorded Super Bowl over and over for decades.

What happened to creativity and thinking outside the Skinner Box? It's just sad.

i can agree with that but to me GW2 offers enough new and interesting features that it has me hooked more than most any other recent game.. obviously not everyone sees it like this but to me it is refreshing and I'm having a lot of fun.. like I said above it's all personal prespective and what you value in your video game experiences.

I don't see anything new, re-packaged but not new. DEs are nothing more than auto-quests. What else is there that could be considered new? I don't see anything new. Everything was done pretty well, for what it is, but it's still nothing new and I just see right through it. I suppose I've been around the block so many times that I resent trying to be tricked by being told it's "NEW AND EARTH-SHATTERING!"

Know what I mean? Every. Single Game. "Check us out! We're new and game-changing!"

Nah, I'm not buyin' it. It's all just re-cycled and re-packaged content from games of years past.

 

 

Just curious, but what game has sidekicking...probably the most significant contribution of this game?

And you are right...there is almost nothing new. However, what it presents are mechanics that are by no means common in the genre.

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  WhiteLantern

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Joined: 1/27/10
Posts: 2778

 
OP  9/21/12 3:33:04 PM#88
Originally posted by delete5230

I just bought a new car. 

I plan on turning ONLY left with it, no blinkers no seat belts, but ONLY turning left.

Now here is my problem. Things were doing good for me for a few days and a lot of left hand turns.  But yesterday I went to the mall and when I came out, a car was parked on the left hand side of me and a little in front.  I waited for the guy to come out but he never did, he must work there.  So to make a long story short, I had to leave my car there over night.

What should I do ?

Not now, son, the adults are talking.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Mors-Subita

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Joined: 7/04/04
Posts: 463

9/21/12 4:01:20 PM#89
Originally posted by Vorch
 

 

 

Just curious, but what game has sidekicking...probably the most significant contribution of this game?

And you are right...there is almost nothing new. However, what it presents are mechanics that are by no means common in the genre.

Most obvious one that comes to mind is CoX... But that was side-kicking up, only. And didn't put you at an even level, it left you X levels lower than your mentor. And was only when you were actively with them... Etc.

No game that I know of has had a similar implementation to GW2.

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

9/21/12 4:07:17 PM#90
Originally posted by Mors-Subita
Originally posted by Vorch
 

 

 

Just curious, but what game has sidekicking...probably the most significant contribution of this game?

And you are right...there is almost nothing new. However, what it presents are mechanics that are by no means common in the genre.

Most obvious one that comes to mind is CoX... But that was side-kicking up, only. And didn't put you at an even level, it left you X levels lower than your mentor. And was only when you were actively with them... Etc.

No game that I know of has had a similar implementation to GW2.

Rift's has one that is similar but that was added fairly recently probably to compete with GW2

http://community.riftgame.com/en/2012/06/18/mentoring-101-play-everywhere/

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Tardcore

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9/21/12 4:10:04 PM#91
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by delete5230

I just bought a new car. 

I plan on turning ONLY left with it, no blinkers no seat belts, but ONLY turning left.

Now here is my problem. Things were doing good for me for a few days and a lot of left hand turns.  But yesterday I went to the mall and when I came out, a car was parked on the left hand side of me and a little in front.  I waited for the guy to come out but he never did, he must work there.  So to make a long story short, I had to leave my car there over night.

What should I do ?

Not now, son, the adults are talking.

SEE!!??

 

 

I told you, you were playing it wrong!

 

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  SteeJanz

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9/21/12 4:11:02 PM#92
Originally posted by Vorch
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Zekiah
 

The chests in GW2 suck, not worth trying to get to. I don't find searching for new landscapes interesting either. If finding something to look at is a goal worth accomplishing for you then you've found the right game.

found lots of good stuff in chests so far plenty of greens and couple yellows.. got a stack of things for mystic forge crafting and lots of transmutation stones as well as various boosters.. not sure what you are looking for exactly.. seems like you are on themepark burnout.. not sure why you would force yourself through another themepark game.

This will be the last, I assure you. And I can guarantee most of you will come to the same conclusion eventually. The same old Skinner Boxes eventually get old. Very old.

could say that about any game in pretty much any genre.. when you have been playing video games for 20 years + it takes a lot to get me into a game for more than a month nowadays.. for example TL2 fun game played it 6 hours last night plus what i played in beta.. but already sorta bored with it.. too much of the same to me.. just matter of perspective and waht yuo really enjoy in a video game

Agreed. It's not just MMOs that I have issue with either, they're all recycling and it's getting extremely stale. I just picked up TL2 and I'm having a difficult time playing at all. It's kinda like watching the same recorded Super Bowl over and over for decades.

What happened to creativity and thinking outside the Skinner Box? It's just sad.

i can agree with that but to me GW2 offers enough new and interesting features that it has me hooked more than most any other recent game.. obviously not everyone sees it like this but to me it is refreshing and I'm having a lot of fun.. like I said above it's all personal prespective and what you value in your video game experiences.

I don't see anything new, re-packaged but not new. DEs are nothing more than auto-quests. What else is there that could be considered new? I don't see anything new. Everything was done pretty well, for what it is, but it's still nothing new and I just see right through it. I suppose I've been around the block so many times that I resent trying to be tricked by being told it's "NEW AND EARTH-SHATTERING!"

Know what I mean? Every. Single Game. "Check us out! We're new and game-changing!"

Nah, I'm not buyin' it. It's all just re-cycled and re-packaged content from games of years past.

 

 

Just curious, but what game has sidekicking...probably the most significant contribution of this game?

And you are right...there is almost nothing new. However, what it presents are mechanics that are by no means common in the genre.

I think how you level is quite different that what you would expect from a Themepark.  You will still need to quest, and they will be the same destroy, deliver, defend, drops and discover that are in every game.  The fact that you can go any direction you want and run into DE's that are not auto-starting (huge over-simplification) is quite different then the quest hub based game. 

  gessekai332

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9/21/12 4:27:58 PM#93
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Mors-Subita
Originally posted by Zekiah
 

Playing a game the way it's not supposed to be played? That doesn't interest me either. There's very little incentive to fight your way through areas. Exp sucks from basic kills, monsters spawn too fast, it's just boring. It's easier and more palatable to avoid areas completely.

It's not me that's the problem, it's the game. You obviously like the same Themepark-ish grind but I've played this same game over and over for years. It might be a "better" themepark of recent but it's still the same old boring themepark content.  

I just started playing Borderlands 2 and found "exploring" much more fun in that game. At least there's a chance I could find a nice chest loaded with rare guns vs. a "rich" mineral vein or a silly jump quest.

That part in red describes GW2 exactly. A true explorer who pokes into every nook and cranny and goes to see what is over the next hill just cause it is there, or cause there is an interesting landmark there finds these things. I've lost count of how many hidden little nooks and crannies I've found with a "nice chest" at the end, usually guarded by a monster. Same with Jumping puzzles... Its not a silly jump quest, its a question of how to get somewhere... In Vanilla WoW people used to wall-walk. Why? because you had the chance to get somewhere and see something out of the ordinary. I remember getting past the zone border one time and finding myself on an endless plain of stone.

Once you start getting used to looking for ways to get up, over, or around things you will be surprised at the kind of stuff you find. Hidden merchants. Private DEs with no one else there. Chests. Monsters. Farms... Or just a breathtaking view that you may suspect no one but you has ever seen. And isn't that what being an explorer is all about?

The chests in GW2 suck, not worth trying to get to. I don't find searching for new landscapes interesting either. If finding something to look at is a goal worth accomplishing for you then you've found the right game.

You aren't an explorer. You are just after carrots like most people. true explorers dont need "phat lootz" incentives to explore. They explore because they want to unlock lore, mysteries and surprises in the environment which other mmo's don't offer to the extend guild wars does. explorers want to find the hidden passage to the underground temple or the route to the castle in the sky that none of the other players have been to (see picture from other poster). these things are all worth more to a true explorer than a petty gold armor piece that you can get by an hour or so of grinding couple. You my friend, are not an explorer, so don't talk about guild wars not being rewarding to explorers if you dont know anything.

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  gestalt11

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9/21/12 4:49:28 PM#94

You really don't need to attempt all the content to level at a decent pace and be geared.  You only need to regularly participate in about 50% of the types of activities.

 

You also really don't need to actively do hearts to complete many hearts, many you do need to.

 

If you are going for zone completion you will be grinding some hearts and for "exploration" this is VERY good item rewards.  But I would not really call zone completion exploration due to the need to grind hearts.  I use grind loosely here.

 

Personally I do not go for zone completion as I do not want to do all the hearts.  But simply getting every single vista, POI, Skillpoint and waypoint in all the zones is ALOT of xp.  I would bet its 20 levels easy.

However I will do hearts.  Some I think are kind of fun.  I like throwing water on drunk people and giving customers meat on a stick, but only the females ....

Hearts are good in the 25+ level for equipment.  If you aren't doing hearts you will need to get equipment by other means.

 

The people saying do all the content are not correct.  The easiest way to level fast and have good equipment is to do a mix of Story, stratgeic hearts, gathering, crafting, exploring and as many DE's has you can come across.  But just roaming around in a fairly random but smart manner will give you easily enough to level at a decent pace.

 

You do not ever need to do your story.  You don't need to WvW.  But both of those things can help.  Story is quite good xp and gives some decent equipment.  WvW tends to give rather good karma.

If you restircit yourself to mostly exploring you will have some trouble.  You need to do about 50% of the list I said above (also dungeons are a possibility).  Doing them all is not necessary although various activities do have particular rewards and you do yourself a disservice if you completely refuse to do them.

 

As for people who say everuthing is marked for exploration or there are no rewards for exploration: you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

If you think you do know what you are talking about and maintain that exploration gives no good gear then answer me this question:

  How many lootable exploration based chests exist in lion's arch and what level loot do they give?

  IamApropos

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Guild Wars 2 is absolutely Revolutionary!

9/22/12 3:08:51 AM#95
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by william0532
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by Zekiah
 

I don't see anything new, re-packaged but not new. DEs are nothing more than auto-quests. What else is there that could be considered new? I don't see anything new. Everything was done pretty well, for what it is, but it's still nothing new and I just see right through it. I suppose I've been around the block so many times that I resent trying to be tricked by being told it's "NEW AND EARTH-SHATTERING!"

Know what I mean? Every. Single Game. "Check us out! We're new and game-changing!"

Nah, I'm not buyin' it. It's all just re-cycled and re-packaged content from games of years past.

if that's honestly how you feel i'd not expect much from video games for quite awhile... maybe wait till real VR is out or something.

No joke, nothing short of the matrix or a video card that gives handjobs is going to impress that guy. You resent being tricked? Lol, whatever guy, people who create will always think they have created something great, creators don't make games and say, "yes, its a piece of crap, play it" THEY USUALLY BELIEVE IN THEIR PRODUCT!!!

No need to be crass about it. There are a few titles I'm looking forward to like The Repopulation and ArcheAge.

You are correct about marketing though, as long as gamers on average keep buying the hype we'll keep getting the same old re-packaged content. I don't expect that to change anytime soon though.

I hate to get off topic but I'm sure you are a blast to have around any one trying to do any sort of magic trick....

Magician does a card trick - this guy starts shouting "Hey I saw you slide that card underneath" YOU aren't fooling anyone!!"  Its all been done before, its just a trick, its not "Magic" "Fraud!"

The reason people are coming off as how you put "crass" is because it sounds a little pathetic when something is presented to you as new and yet you over exaggerat its comparison to everything else.  Seriously sounds like games are not for you period and you are just trying to force them on yourself yet refuse to allow yourself to enjoy them for what they are individually without mass blanket over exaggeration comparisons.

I personally consider myself burned out from MMORPG's and hadn't played one seriously for over a year after I left RIFT.  I only tested out TERA, Swtor, TSW just to clarify my discust with the gaming industry.  I was talked into testing out GW2 and to my surprise the repackaged, recycled stuff as you put it was incredibly refreshing.   This may be my last MMORPG but I'm sure as hell glad I didn't pass on it, its actually been the most fun I've ever had in an MMORPG in over a decade.  I alow myself to enjoy the magic instead of screaming at it like an old guy on my lawn shaking his cane... GET OFF MY LAWN YOUNG WHIPPER SNAPPERS, You aint foolin me!!!! You AINT FOOLIN ME!!!!!!! baaaah humbug!!

 

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  loulaki

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9/24/12 3:08:05 AM#96

on the map you can see staff which you can do only once (f.e. hearts).

 

there are hidden jumping puzzles, and you can understand them only through explorer achievments (or if you are paying attention on some vistas ^^ )

also there are a hell of dynamic events hidden which leads to awesome fights ...

so yes you are missing a lot, i am only 47lvl and still havent finished the 15-25lvl area ... and done only 3 starting areas and 2 main cities (black citadel and Lions Arch.. )

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