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  Stx11

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9/21/12 10:17:19 AM#21

A few more tips...

-Even if you want to save the other Starting Areas for Alts, just exploring all the Cities is good for a few Levels that really help early on

-If you aren't opposed to it, you can get both Weapon and Armor upgrades very cheaply off the Trading Post, especially at the lower levels. Since it doesn't sound like your doing the Personal Story quests either, your chosen playstyle offers very little opportunity for rewards/drops/upgrades tailored for you. Blue (Fine) Quality Items are quite serviceable for PvE and don't even Soulbind so at least being open to picking those up off the TP will really help gear you out.

-Also, talking to the Scouts (NPCs with Looking Glasses above their heads) will give you an overview of what is going on in an area and why you are doing the things you are. Talking to "Named" NPCs can also both give you more background to what is going on and kick off DEs in some cases.

-Finally, even if you don't do any Crafting, getting a set of Gathering Tools (Mining Picks, Lumber Axes, Harvesting Sickles) and gathering all the nodes you see is both an excellent source of XP and also really helpful later on when you do start.

  WhiteLantern

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OP  9/21/12 10:19:15 AM#22
Originally posted by Stx11

A few more tips...

-Even if you want to save the other Starting Areas for Alts, just exploring all the Cities is good for a few Levels that really help early on

-If you aren't opposed to it, you can get both Weapon and Armor upgrades very cheaply off the Trading Post, especially at the lower levels. Since it doesn't sound like your doing the Personal Story quests either, your chosen playstyle offers very little opportunity for rewards/drops/upgrades tailored for you. Blue (Fine) Quality Items are quite serviceable for PvE and don't even Soulbind so at least being open to picking those up off the TP will really help gear you out.

-Also, talking to the Scouts (NPCs with Looking Glasses above their heads) will give you an overview of what is going on in an area and why you are doing the things you are. Talking to "Named" NPCs can also both give you more background to what is going on and kick off DEs in some cases.

-Finally, even if you don't do any Crafting, getting a set of Gathering Tools (Mining Picks, Lumber Axes, Harvesting Sickles) and gathering all the nodes you see is both an excellent source of XP and also really helpful later on when you do start.

Good tips, now we're really getting somewhere.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Jackdog

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Joined: 3/19/04
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9/21/12 10:28:03 AM#23
Originally posted by WhiteLantern


Also, what is the point of exploring if everything I can see is already on my map. There is no reason to go to a far-off corner fo the map when I already know there is nothing there. I would much rather not have the icons or at least not have them show up until a scout points them out to me. I know, I know: "turn off your map and don't use it, blah, blah, blah". I like having a map, I just don't like it to be pre-marked.

 

I did not read all the replies so forgive me if this is redundent

2 points - 1 is not everything is on the map, the higher you go the fewer markers there will be but here is some umarked content in the lower level areas. The other thing is you can turn the markers on the map off. look on the lower right hand corner of the map  itself if iI remember corrctly. Enjoy

 

I miss DAoC

  BadSpock

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Joined: 8/21/04
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9/21/12 10:28:48 AM#24
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by Stx11

A few more tips...

-Even if you want to save the other Starting Areas for Alts, just exploring all the Cities is good for a few Levels that really help early on

-If you aren't opposed to it, you can get both Weapon and Armor upgrades very cheaply off the Trading Post, especially at the lower levels. Since it doesn't sound like your doing the Personal Story quests either, your chosen playstyle offers very little opportunity for rewards/drops/upgrades tailored for you. Blue (Fine) Quality Items are quite serviceable for PvE and don't even Soulbind so at least being open to picking those up off the TP will really help gear you out.

-Also, talking to the Scouts (NPCs with Looking Glasses above their heads) will give you an overview of what is going on in an area and why you are doing the things you are. Talking to "Named" NPCs can also both give you more background to what is going on and kick off DEs in some cases.

-Finally, even if you don't do any Crafting, getting a set of Gathering Tools (Mining Picks, Lumber Axes, Harvesting Sickles) and gathering all the nodes you see is both an excellent source of XP and also really helpful later on when you do start.

Good tips, now we're really getting somewhere.

Depending on your play style of course, you can get about 1/2 a level a day just doing the Daily Acheivements.

So if you find yourself low, just wander around killing/gathering in any zone you are comfortable in the level range and finding a variety of mob types to kill and stumble upon some events and you'll get the Daily acheivement and 1/2 a level every single day.

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  Stx11

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Joined: 11/28/09
Posts: 420

9/21/12 10:29:17 AM#25
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by Stx11

A few more tips...

-Even if you want to save the other Starting Areas for Alts, just exploring all the Cities is good for a few Levels that really help early on

-If you aren't opposed to it, you can get both Weapon and Armor upgrades very cheaply off the Trading Post, especially at the lower levels. Since it doesn't sound like your doing the Personal Story quests either, your chosen playstyle offers very little opportunity for rewards/drops/upgrades tailored for you. Blue (Fine) Quality Items are quite serviceable for PvE and don't even Soulbind so at least being open to picking those up off the TP will really help gear you out.

-Also, talking to the Scouts (NPCs with Looking Glasses above their heads) will give you an overview of what is going on in an area and why you are doing the things you are. Talking to "Named" NPCs can also both give you more background to what is going on and kick off DEs in some cases.

-Finally, even if you don't do any Crafting, getting a set of Gathering Tools (Mining Picks, Lumber Axes, Harvesting Sickles) and gathering all the nodes you see is both an excellent source of XP and also really helpful later on when you do start.

Good tips, now we're really getting somewhere.

Glad I could help =)

Oh also if you aren't doing it already, listening to the NPCs dialogue also gives background and context and can lead to more DEs (as well as sometimes being pretty damn funny too).

  WhiteLantern

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Joined: 1/27/10
Posts: 2778

 
OP  9/21/12 10:30:58 AM#26
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by Stx11

A few more tips...

-Even if you want to save the other Starting Areas for Alts, just exploring all the Cities is good for a few Levels that really help early on

-If you aren't opposed to it, you can get both Weapon and Armor upgrades very cheaply off the Trading Post, especially at the lower levels. Since it doesn't sound like your doing the Personal Story quests either, your chosen playstyle offers very little opportunity for rewards/drops/upgrades tailored for you. Blue (Fine) Quality Items are quite serviceable for PvE and don't even Soulbind so at least being open to picking those up off the TP will really help gear you out.

-Also, talking to the Scouts (NPCs with Looking Glasses above their heads) will give you an overview of what is going on in an area and why you are doing the things you are. Talking to "Named" NPCs can also both give you more background to what is going on and kick off DEs in some cases.

-Finally, even if you don't do any Crafting, getting a set of Gathering Tools (Mining Picks, Lumber Axes, Harvesting Sickles) and gathering all the nodes you see is both an excellent source of XP and also really helpful later on when you do start.

Good tips, now we're really getting somewhere.

Depending on your play style of course, you can get about 1/2 a level a day just doing the Daily Acheivements.

So if you find yourself low, just wander around killing/gathering in any zone you are comfortable in the level range and finding a variety of mob types to kill and stumble upon some events and you'll get the Daily acheivement and 1/2 a level every single day.

Now this is something I forgot about. I was about 64% last night when I logged off because I forgot to fill the gage when I noticed it.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Apraxis

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Joined: 9/28/05
Posts: 1471

9/21/12 10:33:01 AM#27

I play a similar style.

I dont do Heart Quests anymore, i did it the first 5-10 lvl, but well.. after all they are more or less as any quest in any other game.. BORING.

I run around for this and that. I dont go to all PoIs.. well. i am not a completeionist. I dont care if i have some % explored or solved. But what i do is gathering stuff. I see a resource spot on the map, i run to it, gather it, and watch were the way will bring me around.

I do DEs.. i even like it. I listen to the DE story and enjoy the DE chains(and more or less noone, at least it seems like it, is following the different DE chains). That are quests as i like it.. it remindes me even a little bit on the good old UO, when a event was going and skeletons overun Britannia ;)

Ok.. i do Hearts, if a DE is there and i am almost finished, i will then finish the last 10-20%.. but thats about Heart Quests.

But what i do more than you is WvW. It reminds me a lot on DAoC or other more open PvP games. And you can explore, gather or do DEs there, too. And even more, you can even run around alone. It isnt as hard to avoid the zerg, or take part on a battle if some players are around or look for a 1vs1. It wasnt that easy in DAoC.. without at least a group, or as a stealther you got not a lot of chance to run around alone.. at least not long enough... and no chance of hiding or running away. But it is absolute possible in GW2 and i enjoy it.

And with that you progress enough without running into the problem of no zones available. Ok, the first 1-10 lvls might be a little tough, not a lot of good DE chains and the world is rather small. But after that, no problem at all.

But without the XP of resource gathering(and withit a little crafting, which also get you some xp) or the money from resource selling(in the beginning copper ore is a very good money income source.. copper is more worth than the higher ores.. sick, and the money/xp from WvW it might be a little bit tougher.. i dont know.

But you really dont have to grind mobs or grind Heart Quests to play the game and progress well enough.

  FlawSGI

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9/21/12 10:36:50 AM#28
Originally posted by WhiteLantern

I've been playing for about a week and a half now because I decided I needed to at least get some first-hand experience before I continue trolling the fanbois.

But here's the thing: I decided before starting (just like in every other game), how I want to play the game. I was educated on the systems well enough to know what I could and couldn't do, as well as what I would and wouldn't do.

 

I made up my mind that I would be an explorer: travelling the world, seeing the sights, and doing the "dynamic" events. That's it. No hearts, no mob grinds, no dungeons and no crafting (until later, I do enjoy crafting, in general).  Now, I understand that I'm cutting off half or more of the game, but those are the things I want to do. The hearts just annoy the crap out of me. Call me a purist or backwards thinker, but I want to know WHY you want me to do stuff. I've mentioned before that the auto-quest hearts bug me.

 

Now then, I started out and it took me a bit to find a character that I could get into (third time's the charm). Once I got out of the starting instance with this guy, I set out into the world and explored and looked for DEs. First thing to get out of the way: I like the DEs. I loved the PQs in WAR, and these are just as fun (I prefer how these de-spawn rather than auto-reset ot first phase). However, I'm not leveling up the way I think I should. I'm not asking to have levels given to me, but I've done a crap-ton of DEs (several more than once) and I can't progress as an explorer because the mobs are one-shotting me when I head to vistas and PoIs. I've gotten a few equipment upgrades from mob drops while doing DEs, but at this rate, I'll have the same level 5 drops when I hit level 20.

Should I be grinding the DEs to progress? I've heard that you get penallized for doing so, but most of them are neat enough that I wouldn't mind doing so. I guess I was under the impression that there would be enough DEs to make that a viable leveling option.

 

Also, what is the point of exploring if everything I can see is already on my map. There is no reason to go to a far-off corner fo the map when I already know there is nothing there. I would much rather not have the icons or at least not have them show up until a scout points them out to me. I know, I know: "turn off your map and don't use it, blah, blah, blah". I like having a map, I just don't like it to be pre-marked.

 

 

So, (mods forgive me) TL;DR: as an explorer, am I playing this game the right way?

Well I'll try to answer this solely on the quoted OP and leave past readings out of this equation. Assuming you are trying to enjoy the game specifically YOUR way of playing (I won't call it a style because it seems more limiting than anything else to prove a point). SO to answer a couple of questions you posed.

The point of exploring the map is that there are some really good hidden gems that do not show up on the map what-so-ever. Not only can you discover and trigger DE's this way, but there are chests  and sometimes more puzzles inside the hidden cave that lead to yet another chest (Queensdale anyone?). 

Should you be gringind DE's. Well if you have chosen to cut out a huge majority of what the game does to reward exp then you will have to. Yes the DE's had deminishing returns, but that's not going to be an issue unless you try to stand in one spot and wait for the lower CD DE's, or stand in one spot and wait for those Skillpoint challenges requiring a battle to be triggered by another player.

Cutting out crafting and asking about gear seems strange because you have also stated you do not want to grind mobs. So you aren't killing for drops, aren't crafting for gear, and aren't doing hearts so you can buy some karma pieces? I am not sure what to think on that.

As to the map portion it has been answered by others. I actually choose never to hit a scout and only  check the map when my wife links a waypoint, or when it says there is a DE nearby and I don't want to miss it. When I am alone, I find it fun to learn the area rather than look at the map but that's just me.

My best advise is to realy slow down and pay attention to NPC chatter before moving on. I know some DE's happen after an event is finished and wasn't even in the vacinity. I really had this point sink in last night when I decided to follow a ghost after finding a cave near LA. The ghost didn't exactly trigger anything, but he did speak and I chose to follow him leading me on a nice adventure with a reward at the end. If I had chosen to merely look at the map and see I had gotten what I came for in the area and ignore the NPC, then I would have missed out on a puzzle that took me on a very nice side adventure.

TO the TLDR comment, it's only wrong if you choose to butcher the game this way and then turn around and claim it is a design flaw. Nothing wrong with playing a game the way you want though.

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  Jackdog

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9/21/12 10:37:28 AM#29
some interesting replies here. Was trying to convey to a freind who has yet to try the game how flexible the game is. Might just point him to this thread. Anyway time to play my Mesmer before real life takes over again...cheers

I miss DAoC

  WhiteLantern

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OP  9/21/12 10:39:44 AM#30
Originally posted by FlawSGI

TO TLDR comment, it's only wrong if you choose to butcher the game this way and then turn around and claim it is a design flaw. 

Honestly, that took longer than I thought.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Thorbrand

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9/21/12 10:48:57 AM#31
Great plan and yes you would have to step up your game to play this way. Just wondering if you know that some of the hearts trigger events? Just saying if you are not doing hearts in the lower zones you are missing a lot of events. Don't worry at 80 there are no hearts any longer.
  Stx11

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9/21/12 10:49:19 AM#32
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by FlawSGI

TO TLDR comment, it's only wrong if you choose to butcher the game this way and then turn around and claim it is a design flaw. 

Honestly, that took longer than I thought.

And even then, he gave a long post attempting to address your OP before "succumbing to the Dark Side" - pretty darn successful thread so far congrats!

  FlawSGI

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9/21/12 10:53:04 AM#33
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by FlawSGI

TO TLDR comment, it's only wrong if you choose to butcher the game this way and then turn around and claim it is a design flaw. 

Honestly, that took longer than I thought.

I wasn't trolling or being negative BTW. I was honestly responding to the your comment and not generalizing my own post. My post was an honest answer and if you meant the butcher portion of that quote then I don't knwo what to tell you because if anyone cuts out as much as you have from any game that's exactly what I'd call it. Not negative, it is what it is. You also quoted as I  added the last portion. I didn't go back and edit it after reading this.

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  SteeJanz

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9/21/12 10:59:36 AM#34
Originally posted by FlawSGI
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by FlawSGI

TO TLDR comment, it's only wrong if you choose to butcher the game this way and then turn around and claim it is a design flaw. 

Honestly, that took longer than I thought.

I wasn't trolling or being negative BTW. I was honestly responding to the your comment and not generalizing my own post. My post was an honest answer and if you meant the butcher portion of that quote then I don't knwo what to tell you because if anyone cuts out as much as you have from any game that's exactly what I'd call it. Not negative, it is what it is. You also quoted as I  added the last portion. I didn't go back and edit it after reading this.

I second what he is saying here.  He isn't saying your playing wrong, he is saying that, no matter what the game is, if you choose not to do all the content available you will level slower than those that utilize all of it. 

In forums, we shouldn't be so quick to label things.  It's like those people that get a new game and play it looking for everything that is wrong with it.  They will most definitely find everything wrong with the game.

  gestalt11

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9/21/12 11:06:31 AM#35

You should be able to roam around and level just fine by doing DE's and exploring.  That is basically what I do to level.  And I have had a level 80 since the first week

 

 

I have done very few hearts.  Now if you avoid DEs and only exploer I can there being some problem.  Sometimes people try to stay in one zone but there is basically always at least 2-4 zones for your level.

 

Mobs will hurt alot at +2-3, they will start to one shot around +6 or +10 depending on build.  But you really do have options and should not feel forced into going into higher level area.  Even at high level there are multiple places to find level 80 mobs.  Yes Orr has the best rewards and is the hardest but frost gorge sound has level 80 stuff and a level 80 world boss.

 

You can definitely have trouble not getting on level equipment if you do not use the trading post, and yes there is more to that than actually attempting to use it, it would need to actually be up too.  However I can tell you I used the same level 40 pants all the way to level 80.  Its not a huge deal unless you are for some reason really really trying to do some toughness build.

 

It might take you a little time to figure out how the world is laid out but that is part of exploring.  But it is there so go find it.

  gestalt11

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9/21/12 11:12:43 AM#36
Originally posted by thekid1

In my opinion there are to many mobs and they spawn to fast. Plus it takes to long to kill a mob as well.

This is a bit annoying if you are an explorer and want to check out every nook and cranny on the map. It is also responsibly for the fact I often outlevel an area before I explored it all (And I do not craft and PVP)

 

- There are other things to discover besides DE's by the way. Hidden caves, hidden chests, hidden puzzles, hidden mini story, hidden enemy. A lot of these hidden things come without bonus loot, a design choice apparently, perhaps to stop people farming them. -

 

That being said: Are you the same level as your mobs?

If you are lower then the mobs,  this issue will be much worse. You could try the opposite and explore lower level areas's. If you want to get more XP (I wouldn't if I were you) this is also a good method to gain XP because you will kill many more mobs in the same time.

 

Plus, you could do the personal story to get XP if you would need so. It is REALLY bad at the begining but once you join an order it get's a lot better. (at least priory does, haven't played others)

 

 

I do not find this true in the lower areas, but in certain areas of the higher end zones such as the centaurs of harathi hinterlands there are many many mobs and they respawn extremely fast.

 

Areas such as this are not going to be easy or particularly rewarding to solo explore.  It is possible but the respawn makes it quite punishing. 

 

Same can be said of Orr but for extra reason.  Mobs in Orr do alot of damage and have alot of CC, everything is hostile and waypoints are constantly contested by NPCs.  Exploring Orr solo is not a walk through the Shire.  You need stun breaks, need speed, need to be cunning and fairly tough.  And even then you will still die without a group.  Or decent amount of people in the zone.

 

Just a warning.

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9/21/12 11:13:47 AM#37
Originally posted by WhiteLantern

I've been playing for about a week and a half now because I decided I needed to at least get some first-hand experience before I continue trolling the fanbois.

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  adam_nox

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9/21/12 11:18:06 AM#38
There's no real exploration in this game.  It's a joke to think otherwise. Finding random hidden caves isn't exploration.  Exploration is where you find the meat of character progression without any guidance.  Exploration requires choice, but you don't really have any.  You go where it's level appropriate.
  Aerowyn

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9/21/12 11:24:55 AM#39
Originally posted by adam_nox
There's no real exploration in this game.  It's a joke to think otherwise. Finding random hidden caves isn't exploration.  Exploration is where you find the meat of character progression without any guidance.  Exploration requires choice, but you don't really have any.  You go where it's level appropriate.

which you have plenty of choices.. with downscaling I enjoy exploring a 1-15 area on my level 35

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  Hell_Hammer

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9/21/12 11:26:13 AM#40

As many have pointed out, turning off the map tips might help the immersion while exploring.

 

Also, as for getting better items - well, basically hearts give you stuff you can buy for karma but my personal choice is crafting my own.

Crafting is very easy and fun once you get the hang of it and will give you a ton of XP plus some very useful items, better than most drops you'll get.

Killing veteran and champion mobs is somewhat lacking on the item reward side, but oh well, the fights can be fun.

 

Anyway, you can easily level crafting - either by collecting every node you see and also by getting mats of the trading post.

At the moment, they are very cheap and you can really level up crafting nicely with mixing TP and the materials you find. I didi it this way and got loads of XP and also found myself crafting equipment that is 20 leves above me - without even noticing I got that far.

Also, salvage anything you don't need and this will yield quite a lot of mats as well.

At least, that worked for me personally.

 

Edit - While the mats are cheap, my fanatical crafting did lead me to be bankrupt most of the time. But to be honest, I really don't need money for anything else except crafting, teleporting and an occasional item repair. So that's something to have in mind as well.

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