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  fivoroth

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9/21/12 1:02:45 PM#21
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by fivoroth

Cons

Local saves only - cheating, character editing, no real sense of PvP

D3, four months old,  doesnt even support PVP yet -- and no eta for 1.1 patch

 

regarding TL2 local saves, there will be no ranked ladders

 

True. But D3 will eventually get PvP. TL2's PvP is for lolz.

Also, in my opinion, TL2 will receive a very short cycle of development and there won't be as much developer support after the initial game. We might see an xpac but I don't think that likely. I think they will focus on their MMO. D3 has 2 expansions planned and Blizzard are quite committed to fix their game. Why? Because Diablo is one of their major IPs. It is worth a shitload and I think they would be stupid to let it all go to waste.

Anyways I am playing TL2 now and I am really enjoying. Also the price tag is crazy good. I know Runic want to make a TL MMO and I am quite happy for them and I really hope TL2 brings them enough money to make their MMO.

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  GoldenArrow

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9/21/12 1:03:33 PM#22

Only downside in TL2 is the lack of battle.net type closed server system.

The game is more of a single-player/friends game instead of a full fledged MMO.

 

Which is a real shame ;(

  botrytis

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9/21/12 1:05:54 PM#23
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Only downside in TL2 is the lack of battle.net type closed server system.

The game is more of a single-player/friends game instead of a full fledged MMO.

 

Which is a real shame ;(

D3 is not an MMO either.

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  ShakyMo

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9/21/12 1:26:14 PM#24
I think Runic have shelved their plans for a mmo and started working on something else.

Read some article somewhere where they were on about mmo market being saturated and unless they get a very original mmo idea they won't bother.
  MurlockDance

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9/21/12 1:41:06 PM#25

I absolutely love this game: it has totally surpassed the expectations I had for it, and I had high ones coming off of TL1 which I love and still play. I am very very happy with TL2!

So far, I have not found one thing wrong with TL2, and I am pretty picky about my games. It is very close to being perfect in my eyes. Well done Runic!

So two great games now: GW2 and TL2, and soon MoP.

Not that D3 is horrible, I think it has the systems in place to make it even better than D2, but its current big downsides are just a bit too big for me atm (always online play, the AH system, item drops, several irritating aspects like hitching when I enter a new zone, account target for hackers, etc.).

The D3 ability/rune system was fun though I did like that, and the constant fear of getting ambushed, which really hurt in higher difficulties. The story-telling aspect is also interesting and the random events each time you load up a zone are fun.

That game does have its good sides, so I really hope that with future patches it will become less flawed and that I will play it soon again.

 

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  Bladestrom

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9/21/12 1:44:28 PM#26
I think Diablo is ok but not brilliant, and I am interested in tl2, so this review interested me, but i could not make head nor tail of how good the game was due to the bias. E.g. The story in tl2 is a mess but it's ok because the Diablo story is worse?! As I said I'm no super Diablo fan, but my 5 year old daughter coul understand the story in Diablo.

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  WhiteLantern

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9/21/12 1:51:19 PM#27
Originally posted by Bladestrom
I think Diablo is ok but not brilliant, and I am interested in tl2, so this review interested me, but i could not make head nor tail of how good the game was due to the bias. E.g. The story in tl2 is a mess but it's ok because the Diablo story is worse?! As I said I'm no super Diablo fan, but my 5 year old daughter coul understand the story in Diablo.

Actually, their review is here. And a meta-comparison here.

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  GrayImpact

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9/21/12 1:54:10 PM#28

Before i say what I plan on saying, you should know that I used to be a massive Blizzard fan boy, i grew up with the diablo and warcraft series, and i got bored after torchlight 1 in about half a hour and never touched it again.

 

Regardless, with the hype around TL2 i pre-ordered it, and i do not regret it a single bit.

This game is better then Diablo 3 in every freaking way, it feels smoother, doesn't force online play, doesn't have a stupid money auctionhouse, is cheap to purchase, and arguebly looks better depending on your preferences.

 

On top of that, you actually get to select your difficulty rather then go through the boring as HELL difficulties in D3 before getting to anything challenging.

 

Used to love blizzard, after SC2's battlenet and Diablo 3's utter failure, It'll be very hard for them to ever get me to buy one of their games again.

  Lobotomist

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9/21/12 2:07:23 PM#29

D3 has superior gameply. But there is so much other wrong with it.

From being unable to choose difficulty to lack of real replayability - and not to mention that game feels like a wessel for RMAH so Blizzard could make more buck.

T3 is more modest game. That doesnt dare much. But its cheap and well crafted.

 

So where is the problem?

 

Problem is that D3 came out while there was no much to play. T2 is launching in same day as Borderlands 2 , GW2 is in its heights , and ARPG players allready put down 60$ for another arpg (D3)

 

I think that they lost 80% of potential customers by launching now and this late.

I am dont have time even to play free demo.

 

Byt the time I will have wish to play another ARPG , T2 will be 5$ at steam sale ...

 

  Banaghran

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9/21/12 5:03:14 PM#30
Originally posted by Lobotomist

D3 has superior gameply. But there is so much other wrong with it.

From being unable to choose difficulty to lack of real replayability - and not to mention that game feels like a wessel for RMAH so Blizzard could make more buck.

T3 is more modest game. That doesnt dare much. But its cheap and well crafted.

 

Yes. Far too modest for my personal taste so far, after about 6 hours of playing, the most positive thing i saw is the female berserkers starting attire (or the lack of it :) ).

I will continue to play a bit, but it has been much less appealing than the PoE beta, TL2 devs seem to got lost in the "free mmo" skill design, similar to  "+1% chance to slow the enemy by 3%, next level 3.25%", and the dilemma of occasionally ALL of the stats being positive for a character does not help.

The combat is too chaotic at times, 5 things proccing and spamming the area, and mobs and the character seem to be teleporting trough obstacles (or hitting walls trying to hit a thing behind them) far too much for a release and offline mode, but those are details.

We will see.

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  Nadia

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9/21/12 5:53:20 PM#31
Originally posted by ShakyMo
I think Runic have shelved their plans for a mmo and started working on something else.

Read some article somewhere where they were on about mmo market being saturated and unless they get a very original mmo idea they won't bother.

i read otherwise - in an interview they gave this week

 

So Runic, What’s Next After Torchlight II?

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/09/20/so-runic-whats-next-after-torchlight-ii/

“[An entirely new, non-Torchlight project] may actually be the thing we decide we want to do next, because we might be so tired of making Torchlight that we’re kind of burned out. Maybe we want to cleanse the system a little bit before we go back to Torchlight. Because, I mean, we’re gonna go back to the Torchlight franchise, obviously. But we may do something else in-between. That’s on the list of things that sound kind of cool, and we have to evaluate down the line.”

Specifically, Schaefer goes on to cite tablets as a big area of interest, as well as – more broadly – Minecraft. “I’ve played a lot of Minecraft over the last year,” he notes. “I’d love to infuse some sandbox-y mechanics into that style of universe.” However, he also adds that “we have 30 guys in the office. I’m sure we have 30 very distinct opinions on what the coolest next thing could be.”

 

  MurlockDance

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9/22/12 5:11:29 AM#32
Originally posted by Lobotomist

D3 has superior gameply. But there is so much other wrong with it.

From being unable to choose difficulty to lack of real replayability - and not to mention that game feels like a wessel for RMAH so Blizzard could make more buck.

T3 is more modest game. That doesnt dare much. But its cheap and well crafted.

 

So where is the problem?

 

Problem is that D3 came out while there was no much to play. T2 is launching in same day as Borderlands 2 , GW2 is in its heights , and ARPG players allready put down 60$ for another arpg (D3)

 

I think that they lost 80% of potential customers by launching now and this late.

I am dont have time even to play free demo.

 

Byt the time I will have wish to play another ARPG , T2 will be 5$ at steam sale ...

 

I disagree with you, TL2 has superior gameplay to D3... to me. I love the old ARPGs and TL2 fits them better than D3 does.

The only thing that D3 really does right in my view is the skill combo + rune set up. The environments in D3 are also pretty cool and I like the interactivity with so many objects in each area. Oh and of course all of the dramatic, spectacular cutscenes.

Everything else, TL2 does better, not just filling the holes in D3 you mentioned in your post, but also I prefer the combat of TL2 to D3. Runic really cleaned up their ability system and it seems like the classes have multiple builds they can try out that are really varied. There are no forced synergies, which means that the player has more options on what to use. Just like in TL1, you get to choose between many skills in three different trees, and 4 spell scroll slots. The selection is huge!

There is a huge amount of randomization, chance, and choice. There are trapped areas, secret rooms (how could Blizz forget about secret rooms in D3?), dungeons within dungeons (phase beasts), tons of interesting loot, gambling, transmutation, random enchanting... things that Blizz did not add to D3 even though quite a bit of this was in D2. Ok, crafting in D3 is a bit like transmutation, except that D3's system is unfun because of all of the limitations, costs, and associated grind.

Runic concentrated on gameplay over theatrics, one reason why this game is cheaper than D3. Even though TL2's story is rehashed blah, D3's story is really bad and is forced to the forefront of the game. I was so disappointed when Diablo finally revealed its nature.

I would take Runic's conservatism of the genre over Blizzard's risktaking, because it seems to me the thing that was forgotten in D3's case, one of the main things that players reproach Blizzard for, is that it has lost the Diablo feel and some of the Diablo soul. To me it is because they did forget some of the simple elements that existed in D1 and D2 but do exist in TL2.

It would be a shame for someone to say, "hey I am not going to get this game because I already have D3". They are really not that similar in what they offer other than monster bashing.

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  Roin

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9/22/12 5:23:11 AM#33
Read the article. Don't know much about D3.  Played a Monk till level 7, and Wizard to level 2.  Then uninstalled it.  Just didn't enjoy the game.  Found it boring to say the least.  Better graphics then TL2? Yeah.  Better looks? Maybe, Maybe not.  Depends on preference.  TL2's look really doesn't bother me.  The textures are clean enough for my taste.  TL2 has definitely held my interest though, it's actually competing with Borderlands 2 for my free time.  Where as D3 I honestly haven't given a second thought about since uninstalling it.  Probably never go back to it either.

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  insideout321

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9/22/12 2:45:56 PM#34

If anyone could please tell me i read above there are no closed online servers?

So this means massive hacks ect for online play?

Im guessing this game is more about fun instead of trying to find an awesome end game item?

I loved diablo 2 and how end game was running bosses for sets ect.

Can you trade in this game?

Is there a lobby to find and join games?

I never played TL1 so if anyone could awnser these id appreciate it..

I only play online for the multiplayer but couldnt really get into d3 at the state it is in right now.

Thanks!

  FrodoFragins

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9/22/12 3:15:35 PM#35
Originally posted by firewater4176

If anyone could please tell me i read above there are no closed online servers?

There are no closed Runic run servers.  Your single player character can play online games

So this means massive hacks ect for online play?

Quite possibly.  It just depends on who who play with and how you yourself play the game.

Im guessing this game is more about fun instead of trying to find an awesome end game item?

I don't know what the end game items are like.

I loved diablo 2 and how end game was running bosses for sets ect.

Can you trade in this game?

Yes there are trades.

Is there a lobby to find and join games?

Yes, based on average level of the players in the game

I never played TL1 so if anyone could awnser these id appreciate it..

I only play online for the multiplayer but couldnt really get into d3 at the state it is in right now.

Thanks!

 

  insideout321

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9/22/12 3:17:11 PM#36
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by firewater4176

If anyone could please tell me i read above there are no closed online servers?

There are no closed Runic run servers.  Your single player character can play online games

So this means massive hacks ect for online play?

Quite possibly.  It just depends on who who play with and how you yourself play the game.

Im guessing this game is more about fun instead of trying to find an awesome end game item?

I don't know what the end game items are like.

I loved diablo 2 and how end game was running bosses for sets ect.

Can you trade in this game?

Yes there are trades.

Is there a lobby to find and join games?

Yes, based on average level of the players in the game

I never played TL1 so if anyone could awnser these id appreciate it..

I only play online for the multiplayer but couldnt really get into d3 at the state it is in right now.

Thanks!

 

Ok thanks .

  StoneRoses

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9/22/12 3:24:08 PM#37

No Real-Money Auction House

Diablo III: Want loot? Buy it! | Torchlight II: Want loot? Play the game!

 

ROFL!

  Aori

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9/22/12 3:31:30 PM#38

Diablo 3 I think will finally start getting to where it needs to be in 1.05 it is a shame it took this long but whatever. I can't knock the game, it has been paying for my WoW subs, expansions, gw2 and TL2 4pack and 2 months of rent.

As for TL2, I like it and I prefer its art style to D3. My issue is, there are no closed servers. After I beat the game i'm done and thats it.

D3 has more to offer me as a player than TL2 does in the longterm. IN the short term TL2 is a great game.

  Purutzil

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The Critical Hit Pretzel!

9/22/12 3:36:21 PM#39

Very Biased article... but honeslty to me I prefered TL2 over D3. The only thing D3 has more of to me really is polish, it sacrifices a lot of the complexity of D2 in favor of trying to be more 'casual heavy'. Item wise its very iffy as well as the creators didn't seem to grasp the concept of itemization very well and seemed to think 'adding more' will make it better.

 

Really, its all up to the user if polish is there thing and if they are looking for a more casual geared experience or one thats less forgiving. In some ways you can take it like this.

 

Path of Exile > Torchlight 2 > Diablo 3

 

A pretty good link from most complex to the simplest.  Not a list of what is 'better' as its really opinion. Some will like PoE and its much more complex system  for skill tree and being a bit more 'planning' (granted skill refunds do change this, its not exactly the most user friendly to get). Torchlight 2 gives more choice in terms of stats and skills but its over-all an easier choice to make and more clear for the user once you figure out what each skill does. It does limit you in skill roll back but its not all that 'disasterous' either considering you can get a good idea of a skill and refund, and you can get a general idea how it will work relatively early on. Diablo 3 gives you all the glamor straight up with 'runes' to suppliment it, but it gives very little in terms of choice and customization. Its probably the least "Diablo 2" styled of the three despite having the name and familiar characters.

  FrodoFragins

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9/22/12 3:36:32 PM#40

I decided to buy it yesterday and finished Act I on normal.  I chose a berserker as it looked like he was closest to the destroyer from TL1 that I liked.


The combat is very solid but not quite up to D3 standards imo.  It felt a bit less responsive to me and the attacks were much less interesting.  The skill choice so far is actually more limited than D3's partly based on picking one of three "trees".  Each tree seems very limiting so far, but discovered spells may be the solution to this.  I've only found two spells and haven't activated them yet.

 

The story is non existent and completely non immersive.  That's not a fun killer for this type of game but I always enjoyed the story aspect of D2.

 

The lobby system is mediocre.  I sorted it by the average level of the players and then looked at the actual level of the players in the game before joining.  This area of the game needs the MOST work.  I wasn't sure how to port to a player in the game, but based on the fact that someone seemed to port to me, it appears that functionality is in the game.

 

The music is good.  I had actually listened to the soundtrack they gave away before buying the game.  It's not up to D2 standards but it's better than the D3 soundtrack.

 

The lack of full respecs would have prevented me from buying the game if it used closed BNET like servers.  But since it will be easy to do with character editors it's not a huge deal.  Schaefer is very closed minded on this part of the game and things rerolling is good because it adds a grind to keep players playing.  That's a crappy design feature to be honest and only worked in D2 because of how easy it was to rush characters in that game.  I sure as hell don't want to reroll just to try the other trees of a class.  Stat allocation is the other area that will require rerolls or character editors.

 

The longevity of this game strikes me as very limited.  The fact that it's so easy to hack items to be the best possible pretty much guarantees this.  But I knew that when I bought it.  Single player mods are of no interest to me.  This is a good game to play in between other games and when your online games are offline.

 

 

 

 

 

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