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  Karteli

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OP  9/21/12 12:41:38 AM#21
Good responses .. but why do people actually care if someone forms or joins a LGBT guild?  Really it's the individual's business, not their peers.

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  Ausare

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9/21/12 12:42:17 AM#22
I remember the anger and trolling of some one advertising a christian only gw2 guild here awhile ago.
  Ausare

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9/21/12 12:43:55 AM#23
I do not really think the players care that much. I think the game cares due to issues all these specific entry guilds create. Problems in appearance and in legal liability.
  Karteli

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OP  9/21/12 12:50:44 AM#24
Originally posted by Ausare
I do not really think the players care that much. I think the game cares due to issues all these specific entry guilds create. Problems in appearance and in legal liability.

Wow at one time restricted and banned a player for advertising a LGBT guild, several years ago.  The uprise was immense, and Blizzard was faced with a cival lawsuit.  Blizzard appologized and "allowed" LGBT only guilds. http://kotaku.com/159536/blizzards-reaction-to-gay-guilds-an-unfortunate-mistake

 

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  Dalmont

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9/21/12 12:50:59 AM#25

We had a pre op transexual in our guild....he cut his own nuts off one night and this disturbed the younger members of the guild.

 

It disturbed the older members too....

 

But he/she was a normal member of the guild and noone cared other than that. he/she didn't scream look at me (other than the nuts thing).

 

Sexuality shouldn't be an issue and if you want a pick up guild then there are plenty of GM's who run their guilds like that.

  Loke666

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9/21/12 12:52:07 AM#26
Originally posted by Ausare
Well ncaap does not full accept whites so they must be racist according to you.

Games do not want to be political tools. You are now asking them to pick and choose ideals. It is better to stay neutral and allow none.

I am afraid I have to agree with that, either is all political and religious groups in or none.

And I frankly think nazi guilds and similar would be really bad.

I have nothing against gays or transexual people at all, but games dont need that debate. If such a group know eachother and forms a normal guild on the other hand it is fine, friends joining up a guild is no problem at all.

  OG_Zorvan

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9/21/12 12:52:13 AM#27
Originally posted by Karteli
Good responses .. but why do people actually care if someone forms or joins a LGBT guild?  Really it's the individual's business, not their peers.

I personally don't care, but I have to wonder about this motivation of "having to be surrounded by those the same as them" arguments people bring up.

When you first login to an online game, not one person anywhere in that game knows you're gay/lesbian/pink/short/tall/whatthefuckever. So there's obviously no harrassment/ridicule/anger/whatthefuckever until the point you ( "you" being a general term, not you specifically ) announce it. So what is there to need "support" for? What need is there for you to be surrounded by others like you because "only they" know what you go through?

It's a gawdamn game, not a therapy session.

Unless you're looking for a date, there's no gawdamned reason to know or care if the other person with you is male/female/straight/gay/etc. In the game, you're nothing but some shiny pixels and that's all there is.

If you want a LGBT guild make one. But don't bitch when people come at you sideways, because you invited the attention in the first place.

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  FrodoFragins

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9/21/12 12:53:55 AM#28
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Karteli

We're all different, this much is clear.  But sometimes it's a hinderance, especially when it comes to forming a guild.

 

LGBT people want to form a guild exclusive to them, so what?  Why are so many opposed?  It doesn't affect them.

 

Wouldn't it help the community to gather like minded people together?

I can understand it-

Sexual Orientation and race and religion should not even be an issue with a Guild in any way shap[e or form.

Look, I cannot make a "Straights Only Guild" or a "Black Only Guild" and advertise it as such (obviously you can have anyone in your guild who you wish and could still make a Guild like such)- So whats good for the goose.

Its like Orwell said in Animal farm. "All Animals are equal but some Animals are MORE equal than others..." This is becopming the case. 

Nice in theory.

 

I've seen so many derogatory things typed in chat and heard them over teamspeak.  I can certainly understand their desire to guild together.  I assume they aslo accept straights that are accepting and tolerant as well.  Even if they didn't I wouldn't see the problem.

  immodium

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9/21/12 12:55:11 AM#29
Originally posted by Karteli
Good responses .. but why do people actually care if someone forms or joins a LGBT guild?  Really it's the individual's business, not their peers.

I just find it unusual to create a guild based around what you like to have sex with. Bringing sex into a computer game is also very unusual. I could maybe understand it if the game is a virtual world, like The Matrix.

Why segregate yourselves in this manner?

  SaintPhilip

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9/21/12 12:57:16 AM#30
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by Ausare
I do not really think the players care that much. I think the game cares due to issues all these specific entry guilds create. Problems in appearance and in legal liability.

Wow at one time restricted and banned a player for advertising a LGBT guild, several years ago.  The uprise was immense, and Blizzard was faced with a cival lawsuit.  Blizzard appologized and "allowed" LGBT only guilds. http://kotaku.com/159536/blizzards-reaction-to-gay-guilds-an-unfortunate-mistake

 

Yeah but that has more to do with our hypersensitive "politically correct" society where everyone is a "victim".

Blizz shouldnt have caved- 

Again, my opinion on this probably is outside the mainstream. I am a political athiest with Libertarian leanings meaning I honestly could care less what anyopne does in their own homes. I support Gay marriage but NOT forcing Churches to marry Gays (as that is an infringment on their faith IMO)- 

To allow a Guild like this you would have to (kin fairness) start allowing other guilds to exclude people for being Gay- Straight ONLY. Or WHITE ONLY. Granted, shits not fair anymore and the "minority" (in this case Gays) are the only one allowed to exclude.

-Thus is the way the World is going...

  OG_Zorvan

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9/21/12 12:58:24 AM#31
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Karteli

We're all different, this much is clear.  But sometimes it's a hinderance, especially when it comes to forming a guild.

 

LGBT people want to form a guild exclusive to them, so what?  Why are so many opposed?  It doesn't affect them.

 

Wouldn't it help the community to gather like minded people together?

I can understand it-

Sexual Orientation and race and religion should not even be an issue with a Guild in any way shap[e or form.

Look, I cannot make a "Straights Only Guild" or a "Black Only Guild" and advertise it as such (obviously you can have anyone in your guild who you wish and could still make a Guild like such)- So whats good for the goose.

Its like Orwell said in Animal farm. "All Animals are equal but some Animals are MORE equal than others..." This is becopming the case. 

Nice in theory.

 

I've seen so many derogatory things typed in chat and heard them over teamspeak.  I can certainly understand their desire to guild together.  I assume they aslo accept straights that are accepting and tolerant as well.  Even if they didn't I wouldn't see the problem.

Aye, I've seen some really nasty shit aimed at them, and I hate to see it. I really do feel for them having to deal with that shit. Which is why i fail to understand the need or desire to invite that unwanted attention by announcing yourself to the whole game world. I can understand making a guild of friends and their friends and whoever else. What I can't understand is the whole "look at us we're lesbian/bi/gay/straight/pink/purple/unicorns" at the same time they're asking people to leave them alone.

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  Ausare

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9/21/12 12:58:27 AM#32
Well in your story it is gay and lesbian friendly guild not gay and lesbian only guild.
  SaintPhilip

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9/21/12 1:01:37 AM#33
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Karteli

We're all different, this much is clear.  But sometimes it's a hinderance, especially when it comes to forming a guild.

 

LGBT people want to form a guild exclusive to them, so what?  Why are so many opposed?  It doesn't affect them.

 

Wouldn't it help the community to gather like minded people together?

I can understand it-

Sexual Orientation and race and religion should not even be an issue with a Guild in any way shap[e or form.

Look, I cannot make a "Straights Only Guild" or a "Black Only Guild" and advertise it as such (obviously you can have anyone in your guild who you wish and could still make a Guild like such)- So whats good for the goose.

Its like Orwell said in Animal farm. "All Animals are equal but some Animals are MORE equal than others..." This is becopming the case. 

Nice in theory.

 

I've seen so many derogatory things typed in chat and heard them over teamspeak.  I can certainly understand their desire to guild together.  I assume they aslo accept straights that are accepting and tolerant as well.  Even if they didn't I wouldn't see the problem.

Derogatory remarks come from everywhere or at everything-

Why do we have to "protect" certain people from these WORDS (after all- we are talking words here) but allow others to have "hurtful" things said to them? Its time we (as a society) grow up because our free speech is nearly gone as it is and everyone is so afraid of "offending" someone.

  Karteli

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OP  9/21/12 1:02:12 AM#34
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Karteli

We're all different, this much is clear.  But sometimes it's a hinderance, especially when it comes to forming a guild.

 

LGBT people want to form a guild exclusive to them, so what?  Why are so many opposed?  It doesn't affect them.

 

Wouldn't it help the community to gather like minded people together?

I can understand it-

Sexual Orientation and race and religion should not even be an issue with a Guild in any way shap[e or form.

Look, I cannot make a "Straights Only Guild" or a "Black Only Guild" and advertise it as such (obviously you can have anyone in your guild who you wish and could still make a Guild like such)- So whats good for the goose.

Its like Orwell said in Animal farm. "All Animals are equal but some Animals are MORE equal than others..." This is becopming the case. 

Nice in theory.

 

I've seen so many derogatory things typed in chat and heard them over teamspeak.  I can certainly understand their desire to guild together.  I assume they aslo accept straights that are accepting and tolerant as well.  Even if they didn't I wouldn't see the problem.

This is a major crux for the formation of LGBT guilds.  If you are gay, for instance, it's derogatory to hear some duschebag call people fags over vent for scewing up.  As a former guild leader, I've heard oooh so many complaints about the use of "don't be gay" "you fag" "you're so gay" "idiot homo" etc, directed at nobody in particular.  It would be akin to just random race comments about someone being a Wok, or a Wetback .. just for not performing well .. hmm

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  OG_Zorvan

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9/21/12 1:03:40 AM#35
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Karteli

We're all different, this much is clear.  But sometimes it's a hinderance, especially when it comes to forming a guild.

 

LGBT people want to form a guild exclusive to them, so what?  Why are so many opposed?  It doesn't affect them.

 

Wouldn't it help the community to gather like minded people together?

I can understand it-

Sexual Orientation and race and religion should not even be an issue with a Guild in any way shap[e or form.

Look, I cannot make a "Straights Only Guild" or a "Black Only Guild" and advertise it as such (obviously you can have anyone in your guild who you wish and could still make a Guild like such)- So whats good for the goose.

Its like Orwell said in Animal farm. "All Animals are equal but some Animals are MORE equal than others..." This is becopming the case. 

Nice in theory.

 

I've seen so many derogatory things typed in chat and heard them over teamspeak.  I can certainly understand their desire to guild together.  I assume they aslo accept straights that are accepting and tolerant as well.  Even if they didn't I wouldn't see the problem.

Derogatory remarks come from everywhere or at everything-

Why do we have to "protect" certain people from these WORDS (after all- we are talking words here) but allow others to have "hurtful" things said to them? Its time we (as a society) grow up because our free speech is nearly gone as it is and everyone is so afraid of "offending" someone.

"Politically Correct". The worst means of control ever invented.

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  Ausare

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9/21/12 1:04:40 AM#36
I am offended they stole the word gay.
  Ausare

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9/21/12 1:06:42 AM#37
So is that what this thread is about the use of the negative usage of gay in slang?
  SuperDonk

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9/21/12 1:06:49 AM#38
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by FrodoFragins
Originally posted by SaintPhilip
Originally posted by Karteli

We're all different, this much is clear.  But sometimes it's a hinderance, especially when it comes to forming a guild.

 

LGBT people want to form a guild exclusive to them, so what?  Why are so many opposed?  It doesn't affect them.

 

Wouldn't it help the community to gather like minded people together?

I can understand it-

Sexual Orientation and race and religion should not even be an issue with a Guild in any way shap[e or form.

Look, I cannot make a "Straights Only Guild" or a "Black Only Guild" and advertise it as such (obviously you can have anyone in your guild who you wish and could still make a Guild like such)- So whats good for the goose.

Its like Orwell said in Animal farm. "All Animals are equal but some Animals are MORE equal than others..." This is becopming the case. 

Nice in theory.

 

I've seen so many derogatory things typed in chat and heard them over teamspeak.  I can certainly understand their desire to guild together.  I assume they aslo accept straights that are accepting and tolerant as well.  Even if they didn't I wouldn't see the problem.

This is a major crux for the formation of LGBT guilds.  If you are gay, for instance, it's derogatory to hear some duschebag call people fags over vent for scewing up.  As a former guild leader, I've heard oooh so many complaints about the use of "don't be gay" "you fag" "you're so gay" "idiot homo" etc, directed at nobody in particular.  It would be akin to just random race comments about someone being a Wok, or a Wetback .. just for not performing well .. hmm

 As a guild leader you could make rules against that type of behavior, and kick those who do not conform. I have seen many guilds who up front say that excessive cursing is not allowed and is a kickable offense.

 

Personally I don't care if a guild wants to only have LGBT members, but then what do you do about guild that wants whites only? Obviously that would not be allowed.

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  OG_Zorvan

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9/21/12 1:07:26 AM#39
Originally posted by Ausare
I am offended they stole the word gay.

The poor cigarettes in Europe have been called "fags" far longer than gays. Maybe the tobacco companies should be offended.

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  GrayGhost79

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9/21/12 1:09:56 AM#40
Originally posted by Karteli

We're all different, this much is clear.  But sometimes it's a hinderance, especially when it comes to forming a guild.

 

LGBT people want to form a guild exclusive to them, so what?  Why are so many opposed?  It doesn't affect them.

 

Wouldn't it help the community to gather like minded people together?

 

Just as a side note:

Wow at one time restricted and banned a player for advertising a LGBT guild, several years ago.  The uprise was immense, and Blizzard was faced with a cival lawsuit.  Blizzard appologized and "allowed" LGBT only guilds. http://kotaku.com/159536/blizzards-reaction-to-gay-guilds-an-unfortunate-mistake

The rational is that you are discriminating against others because of their sexual orientation. 

If a group of people said no homosexuals allowed there would be an uproar. Discrimination of any kind tends to be frowned upon. 

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