Originally posted by Shadoed

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Shadoed

 

Sorry, but i really had to chuckle at this one. You are going to stick hard to the 'fact' that GW2 stole all of these players from other games using x-fire stats, but completely ignore the same stats that show a 10k rise in hours for WoW (even with a broken client) as GW2 hours fell (meaning that WoW picked up about 25% of it's hours)???

I don't beleive the stats either way, but had to laugh when you accused others of cherry picking stats to make their own argument and then post that.

what 10K risse in WoW numbers ? Onl;y way you can get a tenK rise is to compare Aug 30 (which was a outlier even for WoW , a patch day ?) at 15K hours with last Sunday and Sunday is always the highh point for alll MMO 's

Enjoy your cherry pie butr your staterent is just spin and no substance

Absolutely, 100%, perfectly correct, it is a spin on the figures i wished to show in response to one of your earlier posts.

Thank you for making my point for me, if you pick the right figures and put the right words behind them you can spin anything like a catherine wheel to try and make your argument! I am not the only person on here that has used those figures to try and make a point without any actual fact to back it up, the only difference is that i didn't expect anyone to take mine seriously.

What is your point exactly , I have always compared same days of the week when looking at XFire numbers, you make a false statement and call you on it and you are thanking me for pointng out the spin. That's as funny as the patch ate my

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by krakra70

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It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

 Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

  and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't played wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

 bah double post :P

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by krakra70

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It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

 Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

  and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

Yeah even i don't get this menality. As if mmo players only jump between WOW and GW2 or other couple of MMOS in XFIRE. What are the chances they are not playing any MMO and just sticking to single player games or not playing anything at all.

And i already covered 'MOP is for kids' comment and i don't think it is even worth discussing especially when such comments are made by GW2 fans. Irony at its best. I agree with you 100%.

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by krakra70

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It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

 Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

  and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't played wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

except asura, check the 2 legendary bows at gw2 and you ll see what  really meens kiddie

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by krakra70

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It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

 Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

  and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

that stil does not account for the 25% etc loss the other MMO's have taken with GW2's launch, even account for the patch ate 60% of my Xfire excuse of WoW.

On the Panda thing it is how many people will resub just to play a panda or level a monk class toon from scratch in some other race, or grind out 5 more levels on their old toons so they can jump back onto the raid hampster wheel? Not sure how big the zone is for the explorer types and how long it would hold anyones interest but that would be the other factor.

I know some will but how many and for how long is the question. I saw population increases in my other games from a expac. DAoC, LoTRO etc but those bumps were temprary at best and the games were soon lower in pop than they were before the xpac

Latest shits given? 0.

X-fire is useless.

i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

Originally posted by Nadia

i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

 

GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

good point. I know I will finish leveling my mid level toons in SWToR on days when I feel Star Warsy

I do find it slightly alarming that the average playtime has almost been cut in half.

We will judge what this weekend peak is and base it from there...

First weekend peak - 93,000

Second weekend peak - 79,000

Third weekend peak - 69,000

Today - 44,000

Fourth weekend peak - ????

Todays numbers are setting up for a pretty big drop, I don't see the pace of decline slowing down, which is unfortunate.

Originally posted by Nadia

i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

 

GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

 Isn't the LoTRO expansion also out in Nov, and I think Rifts and TSW  expansions will be out fairly soon. Not sure of the date., Heck even DDo has a update coming out in November, so I figure there will be many things drawing on the GW2 crowd. not saying anyone is better just that comeptition will be around

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Nadia

i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

 

GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

 Isn't the LoTRO expansion also out in Nov, and I think Rifts and TSW  expansions will be out fairly soon. Not sure of the date., Heck even DDo has a update coming out in November, so I figure there will be many things drawing on the GW2 crowd. not saying anyone is better just that comeptition will be around

/agree and competition in the market can only be good for us fans

One thing unique about GW2 is that you can play it whenyou feel like and not feel like you are wasting money on the days you are not playing it.

What I am wondering is if I can really go back to the quest hub system and be happy though. It might be like driving my old Camaro, fun for a hour or two but not nearly as comfortable or have as many convenience features as my Accord. I am stil on the fence about buying the LoTRO expansion. I have not realy played it much in a couple of years now and 90% of my old kinship has moved on. I think my highest level is level 61 or 62

Originally posted by papardelios

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by krakra70

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It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

 Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

  and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't played wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

except asura, check the 2 legendary bows at gw2 and you ll see what  really meens kiddie

 What you mean the unicorn pony bow that shoots rainbows? Nah thats mature adult stuff right JD?

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Nadia

i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

 

GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

 Isn't the LoTRO expansion also out in Nov, and I think Rifts and TSW  expansions will be out fairly soon. Not sure of the date., Heck even DDo has a update coming out in November, so I figure there will be many things drawing on the GW2 crowd. not saying anyone is better just that comeptition will be around

/agree and competition in the market can only be good for us fans

 

One thing unique about GW2 is that you can play it whenyou feel like and not feel like you are wasting money on the days you are not playing it.

What I am wondering is if I can really go back to the quest hub system and be happy though. It might be like driving my old Camaro, fun for a hour or two but not nearly as comfortable or have as many convenience features as my Accord. I am stil on the fence about buying the LoTRO expansion. I have not realy played it much in a couple of years now and 90% of my old kinship has moved on. I think my highest level is level 61 or 62

 Meh I've never really felt thats hearts were really all that different then quest hubs, and then theres the hole imersion breaker,  I don't mind talking to npc's to get quests compared to having quests just telepathically beamed into my head as soon as I enter a area because you know talking to a npc is just too hard :)

  All to their own I admit I'm a bit old school having been playing before EQ even

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Nadia

i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

 

GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

 Isn't the LoTRO expansion also out in Nov, and I think Rifts and TSW  expansions will be out fairly soon. Not sure of the date., Heck even DDo has a update coming out in November, so I figure there will be many things drawing on the GW2 crowd. not saying anyone is better just that comeptition will be around

LOTRO expansion is early October.  It was pushed back from a September release.

How in the world is TSW going to have an expansion out soon when they just released?

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Nadia

i want to see XFIRE numbers in November after  SWTOR goes ftp

 

GW2 / SWTOR ftp / WOW MOP  duke it out

 Isn't the LoTRO expansion also out in Nov, and I think Rifts and TSW  expansions will be out fairly soon. Not sure of the date., Heck even DDo has a update coming out in November, so I figure there will be many things drawing on the GW2 crowd. not saying anyone is better just that comeptition will be around

/agree and competition in the market can only be good for us fans

 

One thing unique about GW2 is that you can play it whenyou feel like and not feel like you are wasting money on the days you are not playing it.

What I am wondering is if I can really go back to the quest hub system and be happy though. It might be like driving my old Camaro, fun for a hour or two but not nearly as comfortable or have as many convenience features as my Accord. I am stil on the fence about buying the LoTRO expansion. I have not realy played it much in a couple of years now and 90% of my old kinship has moved on. I think my highest level is level 61 or 62

 Meh I've never really felt thats hearts were really all that different then quest hubs, and then theres the hole imersion breaker,  I don't mind talking to npc's to get quests compared to having quests just telepathically beamed into my head as soon as I enter a area because you know talking to a npc is just too hard :)

  All to their own I admit I'm a bit old school having been playing before EQ even

agree 100%

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by papardelios

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by krakra70

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It doesn't matter if the decline is deccelerating or steady. What matters is that there is a decline already (not even 1 month after launch). Successful MMOs usually GROW in numbers for the first few years, then they peak and then they start losing players. 

 

stil have not answered the question. WoW had right at 49K players on Aug 26 2 days before GW2 release, yesterday it had 21K,. SWToR, LoTRO. and Aion are all also pretty much at the same pont they were at GW2's release. If people are abandoning GW2 in droves as you are claiming where are they going ? WoW lost almost 60% of it's XFire numbers with GW2's release and they don't seem to be going back

 Why do they need to be going anywhere? Just because we get bored of a game (SW:Tor, GW2, TSW whatever) does not mean we have to automatically jump into another game.  Maybe they are playing Borderlands 2 or Torchlight 2 . Most GW players seem nmore of a single player game sort then  MMO players anyway ie no need to chat, no need for strategy, etc.

  and as far as your previous comment about panda's I agree they are kiddy like but less so IMO then say the asura.  I haven't played wow in years and I'd still rather play a panda over a asura., but all to their own kiddie type races

except asura, check the 2 legendary bows at gw2 and you ll see what  really meens kiddie

 What you mean the unicorn pony bow that shoots rainbows? Nah thats mature adult stuff right JD?

you are aware that GW2 alows you to re skin the equipment and keep the stats right ? Wil WoW allow me to reskin a panda LOL. Better not try, PETA might find out  LOL

Originally posted by winter

 Meh I've never really felt thats hearts were really all that different then quest hubs, and then theres the hole imersion breaker,  I don't mind talking to npc's to get quests compared to having quests just telepathically beamed into my head as soon as I enter a area because you know talking to a npc is just too hard :)

  All to their own I admit I'm a bit old school having been playing before EQ even

I have found about dozen or more easter egg quests/treasure chests, veteran mob spawn triggers etc with no markers at all and my max toon is only level 60. I am sure there are more that I have not found. Arenanet means it when they say explore, talk to NPC's, use emotes etc. There is a lot of completly unmarked content in this game. See a cave go in it, see a hole in the ground, jump down there. See a shrine, pray to the deity....may be something may not , won't know unles you look or try

Originally posted by Ethos86

Originally posted by krakra70
Just looking at the chart at http://beta.xfire.com/games/gw2 it's easy to see that gw2's population is shrinking very quickly. And the best is yet to come (MoP).

 

Hey you WoW fan over there, you are hiding it very poorly you know. Have you checked the big shrink in numbers on Xfire there are for WoW's hours played starting on August 25th? Like they lost more than half, and still didn't recover from that over a month now. How would that be? Even with releasing the MoP update to the public right after GW2 release to counter it.

Let me tell you, it's when GW2 released. And yes WoW will rise again a bit with MoP, but it will also decline after the launch back to it's normal state, just like GW2 is declining now to find it's steady point of hours played. If you look to the chart then you should see that the fall is slowing down actually... but yeah. Fact is, WoW isn't king anymore, for the last month, if you look at Xfire numbers (and no other MMO has done that since WoW's release). We will see in 6 months when both MoP and GW2 aren't new any longer who's where then, and who's on top.

Mkay?

All I can do now is give credit to WoW for still currently being reasonably high on hours played, concidering it's such an old game. But even a WoW fan should give GW2 credit for what is has achieved already. GW2 is the most succesfull MMO launch since WoW, if you like it or not.

When you call me a WoW fan you seem very desperate, man. I have played WoW for maybe 1 month in the last 2 years (cata release). Also you seem to have trouble seeing that WoWs population is completely stable since 30/8 while GW2 is falling since 2/9.

So, comparing the B2P numbers of a game to the P2P numbers of a game is kinda odd, no?

You'll see a similar pattern for WoW as GW2 in the aspect of content.  GW2 players will play less once they have consumed all the content they want.  They will then play more once new content is released.

WoW works the same way, only you have to cancle your sub inbetween patches if you don't want to pay for a game you are not playing.