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  aphydork

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Joined: 10/19/12
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11/27/12 6:17:42 AM#101

Everyone thinks their MMO is the one that takes true skill and those that aren't playing it are simply too unskilled to be successful.

Guild Wars 2 might have leveled the playing field gear-wise, but it's far from complex PvP, or balanced for that matter. I am unskilled in PvP, in general, and I can still do very well in Guild Wars 2 PvP. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing.

You can do well in Guild Wars 2 PvP, and others don't bother with it. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing, still.

  aesperus

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11/27/12 6:30:35 AM#102
Originally posted by aphydork

Everyone thinks their MMO is the one that takes true skill and those that aren't playing it are simply too unskilled to be successful.

Guild Wars 2 might have leveled the playing field gear-wise, but it's far from complex PvP, or balanced for that matter. I am unskilled in PvP, in general, and I can still do very well in Guild Wars 2 PvP. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing.

You can do well in Guild Wars 2 PvP, and others don't bother with it. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing, still.

Really depends on what you consider 'doing well'. Rolling a perma stealth thief and dominating noobs doesn't take much skill.

However taking on multiple enemies at once by yourself, generally does. The skill component also becomes pretty blatant once you start getting into tournaments and are actually playing against skilled teams & not just PUGs.

Heck, by the same logic u could say that LoL, DotA, & Starcraft also require little skill. All games have a limited number of skills you can use at one time. And yet all have a pretty large pool of understanding required in order to really be good at those games. GW2 is no different. You may only have a limited set of skills, but the way they are designed, most have multiple uses. Knowing when to use them offensively or defensively is huge, and the better players are able to take those decisions and turn them into victories against some pretty insane odds.

All in all though, there's not much point in explaining this to people. There are pleanty of videos on youtube that show the difference between skilled and non-skilled play in GW2.

  Coman

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11/27/12 6:33:42 AM#103

All I see in this thread is "I can own peoeple". Great you can! 

 

That is however not what WvW is about or even sPvP. It about working with your team. If I had to pick my team I pick a group of people who know how to work together even if one of them is not that good as an individuel player. That to me is what PvP should be about and that is what I felt is lacking in GW2. Yes people work together, but it in general just being in a big zerg running around and then do you own thing. 

Currently playing Rift and you also see that happen with some random groups. People are doing warfront and are "owning" the other team. Having a lot more kills and done a lot more damage. Yet the other team still wins because they actually work together and do the objectives of the warfront. They die a lot in the process and might be the lesser team combat wise, yet they still win. Not saying RIFT has the best PvP...far from it, but enjoying it a lot more then I enjoyed GW2 sPvP.

  bcbully

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11/27/12 6:48:56 AM#104

Where does GW2 spvp rank amongst these?

WoW Arena

Starcraft 2 RTS

LoL Moba

Planetside 2 FPS

  Asm0deus

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11/27/12 6:58:28 AM#105
Originally posted by Requiem1066

Valuable lesson #4 for GW2 PvP:   The real PvPer's are playing other games 

 

:)

Is exactly what I was thinking lol

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  Kuppa

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11/27/12 9:56:09 AM#106
Originally posted by bcbully

Where does GW2 spvp rank amongst these?

WoW Arena

Starcraft 2 RTS

LoL Moba

Planetside 2 FPS

My opnion is that it's nowhere near SC2 or LoL yet or CoD for that matter. It's better than WoW and better than PS2 since PS2 is still way too young to tell.

 

They still have A TON of work to do though.


  ShakyMo

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Joined: 11/21/11
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11/27/12 10:52:54 AM#107
Better than wow arena, pvp is a tanked on after thought in wow, why pvp in a raid grinder
Worse than sc2
Better than lol, because lol is full of obnoxious 4chan dickheads
Worse than planetside 2 - requires more skill more teamwork and less p2w compared to WvW
Better than cod because that's a a stupid "lets play at being real soldiers" scenery hugging console style shooter.
  DarkOmega

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11/27/12 11:00:15 AM#108
Real pvp doesn't exists in GW2 so your statement is obviously false. There is no meaning or purpose in the pvp nor is there any consequence to being stupid in it.
  Kuppa

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11/27/12 11:03:07 AM#109
Originally posted by DarkOmega
Real pvp doesn't exists in GW2 so your statement is obviously false. There is no meaning or purpose in the pvp nor is there any consequence to being stupid in it.

Don't confuse OWPvP with "real PvP". There are many who like structured PvP and that doesn't make it "fake".


  Faelsun

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12/01/12 12:25:02 AM#110
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by DarkOmega
Real pvp doesn't exists in GW2 so your statement is obviously false. There is no meaning or purpose in the pvp nor is there any consequence to being stupid in it.

Don't confuse OWPvP with "real PvP". There are many who like structured PvP and that doesn't make it "fake".

Yes but  many people who like Structured pvp and are good at it, also dislike GW2s pvp.

 

  Cothor

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Joined: 2/08/06
Posts: 151

12/01/12 12:27:01 AM#111
There is no point to this game so I fail to see how it seperates anything from anything?
  Pivotelite

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12/01/12 12:34:15 AM#112

Lol...GW2 certainly doesn't demonstrate that, it's so simple to get into PvP in GW2, you just roll the FoTM build and walk right in, after about a day of practice you can be decent with a class. I re-rolled characters all the time and didn't notice a difference in my performance.

 

If you want a game that seperates PvP players from PvE go play TERA, see what happens if all you've done is PvE then you try to fight an experienced PvPer.

 

The best players from the PvE server in the BG tournament got absolutely stomped even with equalized gear by the average players from the PvP server.

  Kuppa

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12/01/12 12:36:11 AM#113
@faelsun
Completely outside the point.


  Kuppa

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12/01/12 12:37:42 AM#114
@pivo
Lol try to do the same in gw2, same result


  Pivotelite

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12/01/12 12:40:33 AM#115
Originally posted by Kuppa
@pivo
Lol try to do the same in gw2, same result

Honestly, it took me 15-20 hours to get pretty good with my class at PvP in GW2 after testing builds, I quit though so i'm not sure how it plays out now.

 

I can't say the same for TERA, it took me thousands of hours to get to the level I am now. When I attack someone who doesn't know how to PvP I can kill them without them hitting me once, that same discrepancy is non-existent in GW2.

 

  Faelsun

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Joined: 6/23/07
Posts: 482

12/01/12 1:00:55 AM#116

Well god just look at the Meta game, right now its a new 15 second non wave timer I guess to control bunkers which were a problem, ok fine now everyone is exploiting Signet of Undeath, now you have even less build diversity than before. .. and its not like, there was a lot of build diversity to begin with, even Johnathan Sharp has stated a lack of build diversity among classes. There are just too many numerous ways to break the small flawed maps and death timer along with one deminsional builds.

Right now the pvp is not where it needs to be not only in balance and build diversity, but there is a lack of interest from more casual pvpers and with the Mists being EMPTY during certain times of the day, the real pvpers that are left wont have anyone to prove it to.

  Slampig

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12/01/12 1:05:09 AM#117
Originally posted by gessekai332

What i really like about this game is that people who are legitimately good at the game are rewarded. I would always get annoyed in other games when developers would try to dumb the game down WoW style and make it so PvE carebears can steamroll legit pvpers because they were faster at leveling or they bought overpowered gear with gold or cash. But in gw2  this isn't the case because even though there are slight differences in gear doesnt make bads into good players. My friend is lvl 10 in PvE(he just does sPvP all day) was rolling with me in WvW last night and we were smashing people to pieces (2v2, 2v3, and in zergs). He later remarked to me that he is surprised that that there are so many people who are high level but they just suck so much and die to stupid things. They are nothing to the people he encounters in sPvP even when gear and level is in their favor.

 

Valuable lesson #1 for GW2 PvP: You play PvP, you get good at PvP. You play PvE you die in PvP.

Valuable lesson #2 for GW2 PvP: Bads whine about new game mechanics they are not used to (underwater combat, downed state, no trinity). Good players know how to adapt and steamroll!! Don't like underwater combat? thats cool, have fun auto-losing Ruins!

 

I cannot express to you how refreshing it feels to log onto one of my lower lvl alts decked out in greens and smash lvl 80 players in exotics because they dont understand what condition-heavy metagame means.

Thats AWESOME, glad you have a game you can just RULE at, screw all those wallabes...

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  Kuppa

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12/01/12 1:05:10 AM#118
How in the world would you know if you only spent 15-20 hours?!

Killing people and being top player in pick ups is what you consider pretty good? I've played way more than that, but against good teams on a 5v5 premade me and my team, we are still scrubs.

In every PvP game if you are a decent PvP player you will "feel" you are doing good on pick ups. Especially in gw2 which has no matchmaking for pick ups.

If I were to take on a pve player(like it happens a ton in wvw) I can dispose of them pretty quickly even with crappier gear. There is a big difference in pve and PvP playstyle and mindset.


  User Deleted
12/01/12 1:05:48 AM#119
People who bash gear based games and the PVP in them always crack me up. Once you get to the upper tiers of competition in games like WoW everybody essentially wears the exact same gear with the notable exception of ridiculous end of expansion legendaries. PVP gear is just as normalized in WoW as it is in GW2. At that point, the deciding factor is team comp, personal skill, team coordination and a bit of luck. I fail ot see how GW2 is any different except it removes the initial grind to begin competing at a high level. Sorry, I know it's a super unpopular opinion amongst the GW2 community, but I don't mind a bit of grind in my MMO's.
  toddze

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I am not a hater, I call it like I see it.

12/01/12 1:08:48 AM#120
Thats like a "carebear" calling a "carebear" A "carebear"!

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