Originally posted by Zekiah
After playing Diablo 3, Blizzard has joined the Fail Club in my book.

Agreed.  They use to be a company that you could trust to make a good game, but now everything is about the bottom line.  I will now scrutinize any future game from blizzard.

honestly I think Trion is worlds ahead of Blizzard, that being said they had the opportunity to create something spectacular with the system they had in place, they could have made the game built around the souls.  Instead they chose to make it a raid based, BG grind/dungeon grind game just like WOW, with a worse engine then WOW.

Rift is just another of the games that takes a week to max level then all thats left is gear grinding

Vanilla ice cream is tasty and it is a pretty safe bet. I don't think I know anyone who hates vanilla ice cream. Lots of people may prefer something else over it but very few actually hate it. And if the only ice cream you have ever tried was vanilla, it would probably be what you asked for if you were given a choice later. Most people are not very adventuresome. They go with what is comfortable.

WoW is vanilla ice cream. It is safe. It is fun. It might not knock your socks off but you know you will more or less enjoy it. Most people don't change their habits. Their friends are in WoW. They have mounts and pets they have collected. They might have a title that can no longer be gotten. They have a lot of time and emotional energy invested in the game. It is the safe bet. It is not hard to play, it is reasonably fun, they don't have to learn how and when to use different skills and they don't have to take the chance that it will flop.

There is a reason that you can find vanilla ice cream at almost any restaurant you stop at.

Personally I like the vanilla with chocolate chips and nuts on it. That's why I still play Rift, vanilla with a little more.

WoW beat out all the other MMO's of its age. thats the reason why EQ2 is hardly played anymore. same with the FF game. Seriously. WoW beat out its original competition, then had time to put togeather the content that everyone wants.

I played WoW for 2 years. the only reason i played it was because i found people to play with. even that fell though after i played SWTOR i didnt want to play WoW, That however was before SWTOR ruined itself (early Beta). but afterwards i still couldn't go back to it. the game felt Dull and lifeless. then i played TSW, sorry but TSW will be holding my subscription for years to come. the game is just better.

Originally posted by Eir_S
Neither.  I've played games from every Blizzard cash cow's genre that was better than their version, but one thing they do seem to be talented at is presentation and advertising.  So shame on other devs for not shoving their products in everyone's faces using Chuck Norris and Mini-Me, but Blizzard is not "that damn good".  They're good, but they're hardly the best video game company in my estimation.  And frankly, I'm kind of tired of hearing about them at this point.

+1

Originally posted by VikingGamer

Vanilla ice cream is tasty and it is a pretty safe bet. I don't think I know anyone who hates vanilla ice cream. Lots of people may prefer something else over it but very few actually hate it. And if the only ice cream you have ever tried was vanilla, it would probably be what you asked for if you were given a choice later. Most people are not very adventuresome. They go with what is comfortable.

WoW is vanilla ice cream. It is safe. It is fun. It might not knock your socks off but you know you will more or less enjoy it. Most people don't change their habits. Their friends are in WoW. They have mounts and pets they have collected. They might have a title that can no longer be gotten. They have a lot of time and emotional energy invested in the game. It is the safe bet. It is not hard to play, it is reasonably fun, they don't have to learn how and when to use different skills and they don't have to take the chance that it will flop.

There is a reason that you can find vanilla ice cream at almost any restaurant you stop at.

Well put.

Maybe Blizzard was once good, but lately everywhere I go I only see stuff like "D3 sucks" "WoW is dated" "WoW new expansion is for 5 year old kids" and so on. I see WAY more haters than fans, tbh. The reason why they are still considered #1 is because people got used to Blizzard being #1 back in the D2 / early WoW years... That's not the case anymore but we all know that fans are blind and WoW has a huge fanbase. It's popular but popular things are not always good. Think about Justin Bieber... WoW is the MMO world's Bieber. It's popular for some unknown reason yet you only see haters everywhere, LOL! It's a mystery.

Anyway, now there are too many MMOs, all of them are good or not good for various reasons, but it's hard to tell which company is #1, it depends on the player... To me, Blizzard was NEVER #1 and never will be. I played D2 many many years ago, never liked it. I played WoW trial 4 times in the past years and wanted to like it but I couldn't get into it. *shrug* I guess Blizzard's stuff is just not for me.

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by Zekiah
After playing Diablo 3, Blizzard has joined the Fail Club in my book.

Agreed.  They use to be a company that you could trust to make a good game, but now everything is about the bottom line.  I will now scrutinize any future game from blizzard.

Agreed. I'm taking the same approach for every company now. Burn me once...

neither of those 2...

Blizzard isn't just the old company it used to be... They showed me their capabilty with D3, CATA and now MOP that they're lacking behind the "old" self.

I'll just leave GW2 out of this since GW2 already sold more than 2 million digital copies and the game is just awesome. It's a refresment I needed which lit up this spark for mmo in me again.

Originally posted by Rayshe

 

I played WoW for 2 years. the only reason i played it was because i found people to play with. even that fell though after i played SWTOR i didnt want to play WoW, That however was before SWTOR ruined itself (early Beta). but afterwards i still couldn't go back to it. the game felt Dull and lifeless. then i played TSW, sorry but TSW will be holding my subscription for years to come. the game is just better.

I am still subbed aswell. In the most fundamental way it is. It just needs more pvp, more world, and fluff.

After playing GW2 and finding that the will to play is becoming a chore, I'm seriously considering buying MoP and returning to a better MMO. I can always go back to GW2, which is the best part of the B2P model.

WoW is one of the best polished games.  And that's just the start.  They have a very good marketing team, and lots of money to market thier games.  Other than Rift, I can't recall a single mmo that bought primetime tv ads.  WoW also has the fact that it can run on just about any computer with an internet connection going for it too.

I think the last thing is one of the biggest reasons why WoW is so successful.  The potential subscriptions for the game is huge.  Unlike most other games that require a computer that's no older than like 2-3 years old.  I can play WoW on a 10 year old machine just fine (except in some raids).  People that will spend $2k on a computer every 2 years is very small.

Originally posted by korent1991

neither of those 2...

Blizzard isn't just the old company it used to be... They showed me their capabilty with D3, CATA and now MOP that they're lacking behind the "old" self.

I'll just leave GW2 out of this since GW2 already sold more than 2 million digital copies and the game is just awesome. It's a refresment I needed which lit up this spark for mmo in me again.

If you use sales as an indicator, D3 sells 10M copies in less than 3 months.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by korent1991

neither of those 2...

Blizzard isn't just the old company it used to be... They showed me their capabilty with D3, CATA and now MOP that they're lacking behind the "old" self.

I'll just leave GW2 out of this since GW2 already sold more than 2 million digital copies and the game is just awesome. It's a refresment I needed which lit up this spark for mmo in me again.

If you use sales as an indicator, D3 sells 10M copies in less than 3 months.

Sales can be a by product of quality, they are though not the direct signal of definite quality.

Hype, general attatchement to a genre/trend/theme/IP, ease of use/access. Numerous factors can lead to sales figures which have zip to do with quality.

Note: I am not saying said games are or are not quality and I am not saying that quality will not "out" and make an impact on sales figures. Merely that using sales to determine a products quality, especially in the short-medium term, is not always the best case to put forward.

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by korent1991

neither of those 2...

Blizzard isn't just the old company it used to be... They showed me their capabilty with D3, CATA and now MOP that they're lacking behind the "old" self.

I'll just leave GW2 out of this since GW2 already sold more than 2 million digital copies and the game is just awesome. It's a refresment I needed which lit up this spark for mmo in me again.

If you use sales as an indicator, D3 sells 10M copies in less than 3 months.

Sales can be a by product of quality, they are though not the direct signal of definite quality.

 

Hype, general attatchement to a genre/trend/theme/IP, ease of use/access. Numerous factors can lead to sales figures which have zip to do with quality.

 

Note: I am not saying said games are or are not quality and I am not saying that quality will not "out" and make an impact on sales figures. Merely that using sales to determine a products quality, especially in the short-medium term, is not always the best case to put forward.

Or you can use aggregated review score on gamerankings or metacritics. D3 has i think soemthing like 89%.

At the end of the day, since we are talking about an entertainment product, quality is in the eyes of the beholder. i like the D3 new skill system a lot, and i know there are those who hate it. I like the RMAH a lot, and i know there are those who hate it.

There is simple no right or wrong. I suppose the ONLY dimension that people *may* agree on (and not even everyone) is whether the software works as designed without bugs .. but even that differs depending on everyone's set up.

Thus, in this kind of discussion, i think there are two valid things to say:

1) my personal opinion .. i like xx because of yy ... in fact, airing one's OPINION is age old in forums.

2) State facts and let other to interpret. Like D3 sold 10M in 3 months. There is no argument about that. Or XXX game get YYY scores on metacritics. These are self-evident.