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  bcbully

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OP  9/18/12 3:19:36 PM#1

I haven't did any pve since the patch, plus I never have over 70 silver anyways,  but it looks like people are pretty upset on the official forums. I hear you can only do some many DEs now and there are "drop diminsihing returns" now?  Here are a couple links.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Does-ANet-think-they-are-a-lot-smarter-than-us

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/I-m-playing-this-game-to-afford-my-repair-bills

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Dear-ArenaNet-Please-help-us-understand-your-philosophy-on-grind

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Where-is-all-my-money

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/So-what-are-we-doing-now

"I understand they don’t want us to run dungeons anymore, and world exploration reaps really bad rewards. Also the only way I can tell to get good items is crafting, but that requires those bags from dungeons that we are not supposed to be running."

 

"I can live with having to do a lot of things to get something I want or having really small % chance. But this is actively preventing me from doing anything worth doing in the game."

 

"I understand that the change to dungeons is to encourage people to play a larger variety. I also understand that the mob-type loot-lock is to discourage botters. However, these measures infringe upon our gameplay too much, and are counter to what the endgame requires."

 

What are you guys thinking?

  Nadia

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9/18/12 3:22:10 PM#2
  Naqaj

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9/18/12 3:23:14 PM#3
I'm thinking the drama queens are having a field day ;)
  Xerith

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A monkey poured coffee in my boots

9/18/12 3:23:38 PM#4

It's over exaggerating. I made 2g running around in WvW last night, I had 20g by the time I hit 80, I spent ~10g crafting an entire exotic armor set + exotic weapon. I did nothing other than play the game, craft, and sell things on the AH, no farming of any kind and I have never had an issue with money. 

The farming nerf to dungeons is fine, basically what it does is stop people from entering, killing two really easy bosses then leaving, resetting and doing it again until the day is done. 

If you somehow have no money to even repair armor, you did something horribly horribly wrong. 

  Aelious

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World > Quest Progression

9/18/12 3:35:41 PM#5
Originally posted by Nadia

i posted ANET responses to the dungeon patch

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/365276/ANET-commentary-on-patched-dungeons.html

 

Thanks for clarifying Nadia.

 

So ANet took away ways to game the system... ANet how could you!!!

  User Deleted
9/18/12 3:45:21 PM#6
What?!?!? Anet nerfing farm paths so people can stop auto getting what they want in no time? I think its about time they did this. Sick of getting into groups to try new paths and getting told that they want to be handed gear and tokens through the farm path instead. I'm not playing this game for the gear, I want to experience everything there is. Was just pathetic that people exploited this for this long anyway.
  gessekai332

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Joined: 3/31/07
Posts: 821

9/18/12 3:56:33 PM#7
Originally posted by bcbully

I haven't did any pve since the patch, plus I never have ove 70 silver wnyways,  but it looks like people are pretty up set on the official forums. I hear you can only do some many DEs now and there are "drop diminsihing returns" now?  Here are a couple links.

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Does-ANet-think-they-are-a-lot-smarter-than-us

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/I-m-playing-this-game-to-afford-my-repair-bills

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Dear-ArenaNet-Please-help-us-understand-your-philosophy-on-grind

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Where-is-all-my-money

https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/So-what-are-we-doing-now

"I understand they don’t want us to run dungeons anymore, and world exploration reaps really bad rewards. Also the only way I can tell to get good items is crafting, but that requires those bags from dungeons that we are not supposed to be running."

 

"I can live with having to do a lot of things to get something I want or having really small % chance. But this is actively preventing me from doing anything worth doing in the game."

 

"I understand that the change to dungeons is to encourage people to play a larger variety. I also understand that the mob-type loot-lock is to discourage botters. However, these measures infringe upon our gameplay too much, and are counter to what the endgame requires."

 

What are you guys thinking?

all the nerfs they made were necessary for the good of the game economy. Being able to get 25 silver + drops every 20 minutes by farming 1 instance is NOT OK. I dont want to be pigeonholed into running CoF every night just because its is 10x more lucrative than everything else out there. As much as I like getting richer than everybody else I actually want to enjoy my game experience and have a variety of gameplay options that are equally as lucrative.

Most memorable games: AoC(Tryanny PvP), RIFT, GW, GW2, Ragnarok Online, Aion, FFXI, FFXIV, Secret World, League of Legends (Silver II rank)

  gessekai332

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Posts: 821

9/18/12 4:04:57 PM#8
Originally posted by Xerith

It's over exaggerating. I made 2g running around in WvW last night, I had 20g by the time I hit 80, I spent ~10g crafting an entire exotic armor set + exotic weapon. I did nothing other than play the game, craft, and sell things on the AH, no farming of any kind and I have never had an issue with money.  

Selling things on auction house is not as easy as it sounds :P. I do OK on auction house but i spend a ridiculous amount of time checking/comparing prices and finding niche markets. also nowadays it costs at least 2.5g per exotic item(depending what stats it has) if you craft it yourself (more if you just buy), and you have 6 pieces and weapon can be more than that. In the end you have to spend about maybe 18g for set+weapon(not including jewelry which is ~2.5gx5) if you can craft the stuff yourself. Then you have added expenses like trait stuff, buying more inventory space/bags, etc. I'm not complaining at all but things cost more than you make it out to be.

Most memorable games: AoC(Tryanny PvP), RIFT, GW, GW2, Ragnarok Online, Aion, FFXI, FFXIV, Secret World, League of Legends (Silver II rank)

  Foomerang

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Joined: 11/10/05
Posts: 4294

A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

9/18/12 4:17:25 PM#9


Originally posted by gessekai332

Originally posted by bcbully I haven't did any pve since the patch, plus I never have ove 70 silver wnyways,  but it looks like people are pretty up set on the official forums. I hear you can only do some many DEs now and there are "drop diminsihing returns" now?  Here are a couple links. https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Does-ANet-think-they-are-a-lot-smarter-than-us https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/I-m-playing-this-game-to-afford-my-repair-bills https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Dear-ArenaNet-Please-help-us-understand-your-philosophy-on-grind https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Where-is-all-my-money https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/So-what-are-we-doing-now "I understand they don’t want us to run dungeons anymore, and world exploration reaps really bad rewards. Also the only way I can tell to get good items is crafting, but that requires those bags from dungeons that we are not supposed to be running."   "I can live with having to do a lot of things to get something I want or having really small % chance. But this is actively preventing me from doing anything worth doing in the game."   "I understand that the change to dungeons is to encourage people to play a larger variety. I also understand that the mob-type loot-lock is to discourage botters. However, these measures infringe upon our gameplay too much, and are counter to what the endgame requires."   What are you guys thinking?
all the nerfs they made were necessary for the good of the game economy. Being able to get 25 silver + drops every 20 minutes by farming 1 instance is NOT OK. I dont want to be pigeonholed into running CoF every night just because its is 10x more lucrative than everything else out there. As much as I like getting richer than everybody else I actually want to enjoy my game experience and have a variety of gameplay options that are equally as lucrative.


Game economy my ass, it devalued their precious cash shop.

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

  gessekai332

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Joined: 3/31/07
Posts: 821

9/18/12 4:30:23 PM#10
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by gessekai332

Originally posted by bcbully I haven't did any pve since the patch, plus I never have ove 70 silver wnyways,  but it looks like people are pretty up set on the official forums. I hear you can only do some many DEs now and there are "drop diminsihing returns" now?  Here are a couple links. https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Does-ANet-think-they-are-a-lot-smarter-than-us https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/I-m-playing-this-game-to-afford-my-repair-bills https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Dear-ArenaNet-Please-help-us-understand-your-philosophy-on-grind https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/Where-is-all-my-money https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/So-what-are-we-doing-now "I understand they don’t want us to run dungeons anymore, and world exploration reaps really bad rewards. Also the only way I can tell to get good items is crafting, but that requires those bags from dungeons that we are not supposed to be running."   "I can live with having to do a lot of things to get something I want or having really small % chance. But this is actively preventing me from doing anything worth doing in the game."   "I understand that the change to dungeons is to encourage people to play a larger variety. I also understand that the mob-type loot-lock is to discourage botters. However, these measures infringe upon our gameplay too much, and are counter to what the endgame requires."   What are you guys thinking?
all the nerfs they made were necessary for the good of the game economy. Being able to get 25 silver + drops every 20 minutes by farming 1 instance is NOT OK. I dont want to be pigeonholed into running CoF every night just because its is 10x more lucrative than everything else out there. As much as I like getting richer than everybody else I actually want to enjoy my game experience and have a variety of gameplay options that are equally as lucrative.

Game economy my ass, it devalued their precious cash shop.

 

[mod edit] And yes it does have a pretty decent game economy. 

Most memorable games: AoC(Tryanny PvP), RIFT, GW, GW2, Ragnarok Online, Aion, FFXI, FFXIV, Secret World, League of Legends (Silver II rank)

  Foomerang

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A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

9/18/12 4:37:39 PM#11

trolling? Lol please. Its a fact that of players can farm all the gold they need in game, it devalues the cash shop. Since gw2 is b2p, this directly impacts anets bottom line. You better get used to them nerfin stuff like this constantly.

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

  Foomerang

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A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

9/18/12 4:46:36 PM#12

 


Originally posted by eggy08

Originally posted by Foomerang trolling? Lol please. Its a fact that of players can farm all the gold they need in game, it devalues the cash shop. Since gw2 is b2p, this directly impacts anets bottom line. You better get used to them nerfin stuff like this constantly.
[mod edit]


Lol where did you get pay 2 win from? Haha i could give two craps about that. This is about mmos with cash shops now controlling game economies.

 

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

  gessekai332

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9/18/12 4:48:55 PM#13
Originally posted by Foomerang

trolling? Lol please. Its a fact that of players can farm all the gold they need in game, it devalues the cash shop. Since gw2 is b2p, this directly impacts anets bottom line. You better get used to them nerfin stuff like this constantly.

we are already farming all the gold we need in game. just not doing it by cheesing the game mechanics. Its OK to make money by running dungeons. its not ok to make money by finding an unbalanced section of one particular dungeon and making that the pinnacle of your endgame experience.

Most memorable games: AoC(Tryanny PvP), RIFT, GW, GW2, Ragnarok Online, Aion, FFXI, FFXIV, Secret World, League of Legends (Silver II rank)

  gessekai332

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9/18/12 4:53:13 PM#14
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by eggy08

Originally posted by Foomerang trolling? Lol please. Its a fact that of players can farm all the gold they need in game, it devalues the cash shop. Since gw2 is b2p, this directly impacts anets bottom line. You better get used to them nerfin stuff like this constantly.
[mod edit]

Lol where did you get pay 2 win from? Haha i could give two craps about that. This is about mmos with cash shops now controlling game economies.

 

what does gw2 have to do with cash shops controlling game economy? Because that doesnt happen in gw2.

Most memorable games: AoC(Tryanny PvP), RIFT, GW, GW2, Ragnarok Online, Aion, FFXI, FFXIV, Secret World, League of Legends (Silver II rank)

  Infeareal

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9/18/12 4:55:03 PM#15

So let me give you a basic rundown of my mostly casual experience with Gold in GW2.

Two characters I have that I am playing the most are 31 (mesmer) and 25 (ranger)

With gold I have purchased any gear I have needed if something became outdated (very cheap)

Bought enough Gems with gold to purchase the Digital Deluxe Upgrade, 1 additional character slot, and a suit of cosmetic armor.

Currently I have roughly 13 gold on me. 95% of my income has come from trading on the AH. I do not play the AH game I have in the past, the tools in game make it simple to sell things. Now to be honest I have done 0 crafting, I grab every resource node I see as I run past, and kill every mob in my way to get to where I am going, and sell every last thing I do not need.

I have a friend who has his main at 80 and has quite a formidable gold reserve from mostly crafted stuff. The only people I know who are having money problems have not been using the AH, and have been stock piling every piece of crafting material they get along with breaking down every weapon/armor they find.

  Foomerang

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9/18/12 4:55:14 PM#16


Originally posted by gessekai332

Originally posted by Foomerang trolling? Lol please. Its a fact that of players can farm all the gold they need in game, it devalues the cash shop. Since gw2 is b2p, this directly impacts anets bottom line. You better get used to them nerfin stuff like this constantly.
we are already farming all the gold we need in game. just not doing it by cheesing the game mechanics. Its OK to make money by running dungeons. its not ok to make money by finding an unbalanced section of one particular dungeon and making that the pinnacle of your endgame experience.


Why is that not ok? Because we arent playing the game the way they want us to? Lots of people play mmorpgs to become rich and control the market. It used to be a cornerstone of this genre. Player driven economies, literally. Now devs are starting to take over that aspect too. They make your personal story, all your quests, they decide where when and the duration of your pvp, of course its only logical they dictate market value and money flow.

If you thought the events were dynamic, you'll think the stories are living.

  Aerowyn

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9/18/12 5:01:14 PM#17
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by gessekai332

Originally posted by Foomerang trolling? Lol please. Its a fact that of players can farm all the gold they need in game, it devalues the cash shop. Since gw2 is b2p, this directly impacts anets bottom line. You better get used to them nerfin stuff like this constantly.
we are already farming all the gold we need in game. just not doing it by cheesing the game mechanics. Its OK to make money by running dungeons. its not ok to make money by finding an unbalanced section of one particular dungeon and making that the pinnacle of your endgame experience.

Why is that not ok? Because we arent playing the game the way they want us to? Lots of people play mmorpgs to become rich and control the market. It used to be a cornerstone of this genre. Player driven economies, literally. Now devs are starting to take over that aspect too. They make your personal story, all your quests, they decide where when and the duration of your pvp, of course its only logical they dictate market value and money flow.

 

eggy already explained... it was taking away from the other dungeons among the issues to the economy.. people wanted to just run the same ones over and over and over because they were easy and offered much higher reward for time spent than the others which was completely unbalanced.. it's pretty much exploiting the system and ANET fixed it.. amazing how people can spin this to something negative.

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9/18/12 5:02:56 PM#18
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by gessekai332

Originally posted by Foomerang trolling? Lol please. Its a fact that of players can farm all the gold they need in game, it devalues the cash shop. Since gw2 is b2p, this directly impacts anets bottom line. You better get used to them nerfin stuff like this constantly.
we are already farming all the gold we need in game. just not doing it by cheesing the game mechanics. Its OK to make money by running dungeons. its not ok to make money by finding an unbalanced section of one particular dungeon and making that the pinnacle of your endgame experience.

Why is that not ok? Because we arent playing the game the way they want us to? Lots of people play mmorpgs to become rich and control the market. It used to be a cornerstone of this genre. Player driven economies, literally. Now devs are starting to take over that aspect too. They make your personal story, all your quests, they decide where when and the duration of your pvp, of course its only logical they dictate market value and money flow.

 

Why is it not ok for ONE instance out of 32 (thirty two) to reap the same rewards at 1/3rd the time?

If you don't see the problem with that, than something is wrong.

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9/18/12 5:05:52 PM#19


Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by gessekai332

Originally posted by Foomerang trolling? Lol please. Its a fact that of players can farm all the gold they need in game, it devalues the cash shop. Since gw2 is b2p, this directly impacts anets bottom line. You better get used to them nerfin stuff like this constantly.
we are already farming all the gold we need in game. just not doing it by cheesing the game mechanics. Its OK to make money by running dungeons. its not ok to make money by finding an unbalanced section of one particular dungeon and making that the pinnacle of your endgame experience.
Why is that not ok? Because we arent playing the game the way they want us to? Lots of people play mmorpgs to become rich and control the market. It used to be a cornerstone of this genre. Player driven economies, literally. Now devs are starting to take over that aspect too. They make your personal story, all your quests, they decide where when and the duration of your pvp, of course its only logical they dictate market value and money flow.  
eggy already explained... it was taking away from the other dungeons among the issues to the economy.. people wanted to just run the same ones over and over and over because they were easy and offered much higher reward for time spent than the others which was completely unbalanced.. it's pretty much exploiting the system and ANET fixed it.. amazing how people can spin this to something negative.

I know where you guys are coming from. I just see it differently.

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9/18/12 5:16:58 PM#20
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by gessekai332

Originally posted by Foomerang trolling? Lol please. Its a fact that of players can farm all the gold they need in game, it devalues the cash shop. Since gw2 is b2p, this directly impacts anets bottom line. You better get used to them nerfin stuff like this constantly.
we are already farming all the gold we need in game. just not doing it by cheesing the game mechanics. Its OK to make money by running dungeons. its not ok to make money by finding an unbalanced section of one particular dungeon and making that the pinnacle of your endgame experience.
Why is that not ok? Because we arent playing the game the way they want us to? Lots of people play mmorpgs to become rich and control the market. It used to be a cornerstone of this genre. Player driven economies, literally. Now devs are starting to take over that aspect too. They make your personal story, all your quests, they decide where when and the duration of your pvp, of course its only logical they dictate market value and money flow.  
eggy already explained... it was taking away from the other dungeons among the issues to the economy.. people wanted to just run the same ones over and over and over because they were easy and offered much higher reward for time spent than the others which was completely unbalanced.. it's pretty much exploiting the system and ANET fixed it.. amazing how people can spin this to something negative.

 

I know where you guys are coming from. I just see it differently.

Every game does this. Its exploiting. Its the same as when they had broken shops and people were making mad gold off them. This is no different. There has yet to be one game, cash shop or no, that won't auto jump on these things when they see them. D3, TOR, WoW, all of them I have seen do this in some way. Don't understand how this is a problem.

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