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  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

9/16/12 8:13:33 PM#41
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Not including sandbox MMOs (completely different)

 

But GW2 kills all other MMOs that are themepark. It has story (so don't need SWTOR)Implying all story is equal?, it doesn't have boring fall asleep on the keyboard autoattack(It does...) (so don't need WoW)Implying WoW is the only auto attack game?, it has unique races(Humans, Nordic people (Which many games have) Tauren with a canivore spin = Char.  Asura are just funny looking gnomes, and Sylvan? Had that race in DAOC......no quest hubs...no double tracking to return a quest that is a continent away. No grinding military style raids that have leaders that scream at you Been screamed at plenty in dynamtic events already. (WoW)...and the most amazing cities in any MMO conjecture and opinion.(RIFT cities are like camps, they are freakin tiny)

 

What is the point in playing any other themepark MMO? The fact that they are different?  GW2 does all of it It has its own formula it made its own design choices, that doesn't make their choices the best choices, it just makes them ideal for YOU., and does it way better more opinon / conjecture. The only reason one wouldn't like GW2, is because they are sandbox fans and are jaded they aren't getting any quality sandbox MMOs.  Incorrect assuption based off an extremely inflated opinion of a product.

 

GW2 is a HUGE leap forward in themepark MMOs. How so?  Describe why you have this opinion. Anyone still playing the old are like those who used bows and arrows, because they didn't want to advance to the gun age. They are trying to old back advancements to the technology, trying to ruin future MMOs that are themeparks. So hearts and dynamic events make the game the next level of mmo?  We had many of these already...

 

Only MMO that can be better, is a very high quality sandbox MMO. And its only "better" if that style of MMO is your thing and not themeparks. Right now though, all sandbox MMOs (except EVE and even that sucks, but its best one out) are too low quality.   More opinion, conjecture, and assuption.

 

Future of MMOs goes to GW2 and a high quality sandbox MMO.

Seems like you really like GW2, cool glad you do.  Not sure why you feel the need to express your exreme love of said game at the expense of others.

Seems a bit silly.

  Johnie-Marz

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9/16/12 9:40:20 PM#42
Originally posted by TheScavenger

What is the point in playing any other themepark MMO? GW2 does all of it, and does it way better. 

There are reasons to play other MMO's:

 

There are some players who enjoy healing. Whenever they try a new MMO they go for the healer. (I am sure you have played with someone like that)

There are some players who like the responsibilty of tanking. 

There are some players who enjoy that after they reach max level the can continue to progress there character.

 

What GW2 does is, try something different. People who are tired of the "trinity" now have an option. Guild Wars 2 takes away the Tank from the game, It takes away the Healer from the game, it takes away gear progression after you reach max level  through dungeons and raids. This is exactly what the gaming industry needs, games trying to be different.

Does this mean that the trinity is dead? I don't think so, I think there are players who like groups where everyone has a roll. Like a football team, a quarterback, wide receivers, offensive line all working together to acomplish a goal. Teamwork is a great part of what an MMO can do. 

 

I like TSW because the setting is different, it isn't the same old HIgh fantasy, elves, dwarves and flying dragons. Does that mean the "Modern, alternate reality ,uban fantasy, setting" is the wave of the future? No, it just means there's a game out there that gives players and option to play something different.

 

GW2 gives players the option to do something different, I think that is great. But it doesn't mean the other games are bad or that people should stop playing them. 

 

Every game getting rid of the trinity would be just as bad as what we had, every game having the trinity.

 

I want variety. I want fantasy settings and modern settings, I want games with skill based progression and games with traditional character levels. I want well made themeparks and well made sandboxes.  I want a games with no trinity but I don't want every game to get rid of it. 

Or we could just do what you want and we could all play GW2 and no other game... how boring would that be.

 

 

  chryses

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9/16/12 10:12:27 PM#43
Originally posted by elocke
If anything, I'm kind of hoping GW2 influences other MMOs as I do still enjoy them but that enjoyment has definitely dwindled due to the evolution of certain MMO elements that GW2 has brought to the table.  Namely questing, EXPLORATION, the loot and node being saved to the player, being able to tag mobs and get full credit/loot, etc. and the combat.  I would LOVE to see Lotro adopt this combat or something similar as well as the rewards for exploring.  So many awesome places they could throw secret jumping puzzles into Lotro's world.  Same with WoW.  Even Rift.  Also, VISTAS!!!! Every game, I would love these, I'm so addicted to them.  Map completion(just can't stop doing this, even on alts).  The list goes on. 

Can't agree more on some of these points.  What I am concerned about is my enjoyment of other MMO's that come out that don't include these. I am addicted to finding all the POI's and Vistas and get satisfaction at working them out.  I can accept other games not having these but I wouldn't accept very well is someone stealing a kill or looting my kills.  That would make me rage quit now.

The other effect GW2 has on players is that I am happy to engage a champion or veteran because I know I will get something out of it.  As  opposed to waiting for the current group to finish or just ignore and run past.  They make it worthwhile to get involved.

 

  eAzydaman

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9/17/12 2:58:45 AM#44
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Not including sandbox MMOs (completely different)

 

But GW2 kills all other MMOs that are themepark. It has story (so don't need SWTOR)Implying all story is equal?, it doesn't have boring fall asleep on the keyboard autoattack(It does...) (so don't need WoW)Implying WoW is the only auto attack game?, it has unique races(Humans, Nordic people (Which many games have) Tauren with a canivore spin = Char.  Asura are just funny looking gnomes, and Sylvan? Had that race in DAOC......no quest hubs...no double tracking to return a quest that is a continent away. No grinding military style raids that have leaders that scream at you Been screamed at plenty in dynamtic events already. (WoW)...and the most amazing cities in any MMO conjecture and opinion.(RIFT cities are like camps, they are freakin tiny)

 

What is the point in playing any other themepark MMO? The fact that they are different?  GW2 does all of it It has its own formula it made its own design choices, that doesn't make their choices the best choices, it just makes them ideal for YOU., and does it way better more opinon / conjecture. The only reason one wouldn't like GW2, is because they are sandbox fans and are jaded they aren't getting any quality sandbox MMOs.  Incorrect assuption based off an extremely inflated opinion of a product.

 

GW2 is a HUGE leap forward in themepark MMOs. How so?  Describe why you have this opinion. Anyone still playing the old are like those who used bows and arrows, because they didn't want to advance to the gun age. They are trying to old back advancements to the technology, trying to ruin future MMOs that are themeparks. So hearts and dynamic events make the game the next level of mmo?  We had many of these already...

 

Only MMO that can be better, is a very high quality sandbox MMO. And its only "better" if that style of MMO is your thing and not themeparks. Right now though, all sandbox MMOs (except EVE and even that sucks, but its best one out) are too low quality.   More opinion, conjecture, and assuption.

 

Future of MMOs goes to GW2 and a high quality sandbox MMO.

Seems like you really like GW2, cool glad you do.  Not sure why you feel the need to express your exreme love of said game at the expense of others.

Seems a bit silly.

 Why not? 90% of the threads here are hate threads. If people who barely played the game can post stupid threads that the game sucks OP has the right too post the opposite.

OT, I agree. I would NEVER go back too a MMO with traditional combat and trinity. Even looking at games like Archeage the combat and questing seems like the standard bang your head on the keyboard.

You could present me with a game that has everything I ever wanted in an MMO but with a hotkey based combat system I wouldn't touch it. Doesn't matter if it has a huge open world with alot of player driven content and everything is amazing and polished.

  TwoThreeFour

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9/17/12 3:06:50 AM#45
Originally posted by Kilmar
Every aspect of the game bores me as hell. I really dont hope, this is the future.

I hope that too, since I don't want the WoW clone template to be replaced with another template, I want variety to be strong on the AAA MMORPG market.

  eAzydaman

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9/17/12 3:27:13 AM#46
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Kilmar
Every aspect of the game bores me as hell. I really dont hope, this is the future.

I hope that too, since I don't want the WoW clone template to be replaced with another template, I want variety to be strong on the AAA MMORPG market.

 It won't. Unfortunately companies will continue too copy the WOW format. You will have WOW clones and lackluster sandbox MMO's made by people that don't have the resources too make a great game, they look good on paper but fail to deliver.

Last but not least you will have MMO's made by ArenaNet and personally that's the games I will be playing. Finally a developer that listens to the players. After trying too get through to Funcom for over a year when AOC came out this is a breath of fresh air.

  Siug

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9/17/12 3:46:23 AM#47
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Not including sandbox MMOs (completely different)

 

But GW2 kills all other MMOs that are themepark. It has story (so don't need SWTOR), it doesn't have boring fall asleep on the keyboard autoattack (so don't need WoW), it has unique races...no quest hubs...no double tracking to return a quest that is a continent away. No grinding military style raids that have leaders that scream at you (WoW)...and the most amazing cities in any MMO (RIFT cities are like camps, they are freakin tiny)

 

What is the point in playing any other themepark MMO? GW2 does all of it, and does it way better. The only reason one wouldn't like GW2, is because they are sandbox fans and are jaded they aren't getting any quality sandbox MMOs.

 

GW2 is a HUGE leap forward in themepark MMOs. Anyone still playing the old are like those who used bows and arrows, because they didn't want to advance to the gun age. They are trying to old back advancements to the technology, trying to ruin future MMOs that are themeparks.

 

Only MMO that can be better, is a very high quality sandbox MMO. And its only "better" if that style of MMO is your thing and not themeparks. Right now though, all sandbox MMOs (except EVE and even that sucks, but its best one out) are too low quality.

 

Future of MMOs goes to GW2 and a high quality sandbox MMO.

Funny your sigs says you're trolling trolls, haters and fanbois yet you have composed quite an embarassing fanboi piece here. Insulting people playing other games doesn't help much either imho. So far I haven't seen that revolution or megasuperawesome MMO that GW2 fanbois seem to have found. Guess I "cannot play GW2 properly" 

  Caldrin

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9/17/12 3:54:26 AM#48
LOL @ OP just no..

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  TangentPoint

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9/17/12 6:40:16 AM#49
Originally posted by ShakyMo

you can set and unset any abilty to be your auto attack (or have none at all) by ctrl, right click - it says it in big letters on the hint "CTRL right click to disable autoattack"  you can even do this with things you pick up and use.

 

Im not sure the lower zone ghost town thing will happen, not like in wow clone mmos anyway, because;

1 the downscaling

Even with downscaling, people simply "finish" an area eventually and move on.

2 theres good rewards for exploring an entire map, level 80 players will want to go exploring to complete the map

They'll "explore" as far as they need to to unlock the achievement and then move on. "Achievement based exploration" is not "exploration". It's Achievement-chasing.

3 DEs scale, most of them are doable with 1 or 2 players.  Some arent though and will always require a group - mainly the ones with boss mobs.

And people will still complete them and move on.

4 people will buy the box in the future, much like gw1.  gw2 is the ideal game for people to buy when they are bored of their sub based mmo and waiting on expansion as its not such a risky financial outlay

It's not that people will still buy the game in the future. It's how many will buy the game in the future. You're not going to have "millions" buying this game forever (might come as a shock to some around here who assume everyone will automatically want the game).  The future new players are going to see fewer and fewer other people around.

As for "waiting on an expansion being a risky financial outlay". Buying any game - MMO or otherwise - is a "risky financial outlay" because you are not guaranteed to enjoy it - even with a free demo available. Of course unless people just pirate all their games. If someone's used to getting all their games for free, I suppose buying an expansion for a MMO (something they couldn't pirate) could seem like a prohibitively "risky financial outlay".  If that's the case, it's a case of twisted perspective, not a compelling argument.

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Leveling is what happens while you're playing the rest of the game.

Don't worry about levels. Just play.

  Myria

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9/17/12 6:59:11 AM#50
Originally posted by Johnie-Marz

What GW2 does is, try something different. People who are tired of the "trinity" now have an option. Guild Wars 2 takes away the Tank from the game, It takes away the Healer from the game, it takes away gear progression after you reach max level  through dungeons and raids. This is exactly what the gaming industry needs, games trying to be different.

Except it isn't different. Fallen Earth has no trinity. It has no meaningful gear grind. It has only a few dungeons and no raids. It also had a playerbase that endlessly repeated the "It's the journey not the destination" and "You're playing it wrong" mantra, right up until the point where most of them got bored and left the game,

Mind you FE had, and has, many, many problems, more than a few of which I'm sure are not shared by GW2, but it had most of GW2's "innovations" long before GW2 was anything more than vaporware, and I'm sure it wasn't even remotely close to being the first.

GW2 isn't doing anything a fraction as new nor unique as its fanbase seems to think.

  Reklaw

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9/17/12 7:05:56 AM#51
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Not including sandbox MMOs (completely different)

 

But GW2 kills all other MMOs that are themepark. It has story (so don't need SWTOR), it doesn't have boring fall asleep on the keyboard autoattack (so don't need WoW), it has unique races...no quest hubs...no double tracking to return a quest that is a continent away. No grinding military style raids that have leaders that scream at you (WoW)...and the most amazing cities in any MMO (RIFT cities are like camps, they are freakin tiny)

 

What is the point in playing any other themepark MMO? GW2 does all of it, and does it way better. The only reason one wouldn't like GW2, is because they are sandbox fans and are jaded they aren't getting any quality sandbox MMOs.

 

GW2 is a HUGE leap forward in themepark MMOs. Anyone still playing the old are like those who used bows and arrows, because they didn't want to advance to the gun age. They are trying to old back advancements to the technology, trying to ruin future MMOs that are themeparks.

 

Only MMO that can be better, is a very high quality sandbox MMO. And its only "better" if that style of MMO is your thing and not themeparks. Right now though, all sandbox MMOs (except EVE and even that sucks, but its best one out) are too low quality.

 

Future of MMOs goes to GW2 and a high quality sandbox MMO.

I am just curious how you went from making this topic to about 15 minutes later making the following topic: Why GW2 will ultimately fail  ??

  cura

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9/17/12 7:06:27 AM#52
Originally posted by Enigmatus

Has no one except me noticed that he posted a completely different topic that says the exact opposite of what he is saying here? I'll post a link.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/365124/page/1

Oh thanks! Ill add this idiot to my block list. Love the feature :-)

  Jyiiga

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9/17/12 7:13:48 AM#53
While the OP has some incorrect information in it... I personally have zero urge to play any other (existing) themepark MMO at this time. The last several years worth are all crap, this one is not crap. 
  grimal

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9/17/12 8:13:13 AM#54
Originally posted by Myria

Except it isn't different. Fallen Earth has no trinity. It has no meaningful gear grind. It has only a few dungeons and no raids. It also had a playerbase that endlessly repeated the "It's the journey not the destination" and "You're playing it wrong" mantra, right up until the point where most of them got bored and left the game,

Mind you FE had, and has, many, many problems, more than a few of which I'm sure are not shared by GW2, but it had most of GW2's "innovations" long before GW2 was anything more than vaporware, and I'm sure it wasn't even remotely close to being the first.

GW2 isn't doing anything a fraction as new nor unique as its fanbase seems to think.

Thanks for bringing this up.  I knew there was another recent MMO I played that didn't have the trinity; for the life of me, I couldn't remember which one.

Release a game with a very large established fanbase from 10+ years of bnet history when the market was still emerging and the casual base had not yet been established, thus ripe for harvesting a momentious self perpetuating playerbase people never leave because they have X hours invested in their characters, and their friends and everyone else plays anyway. Not discounting Blizzard quality... but WoW's success is as much about perfect timing as it is quality, if not more so. - Derros

  tawess

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9/17/12 8:15:19 AM#55
All i can say is, good for you OP. Don't agree but good for you.

This have been a good conversation

  Karelia

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9/17/12 8:17:07 AM#56
Originally posted by TheScavenger

Not including sandbox MMOs (completely different)

 

But GW2 kills all other MMOs that are themepark. It has story (so don't need SWTOR), it doesn't have boring fall asleep on the keyboard autoattack (so don't need WoW), it has unique races...no quest hubs...no double tracking to return a quest that is a continent away. No grinding military style raids that have leaders that scream at you (WoW)...and the most amazing cities in any MMO (RIFT cities are like camps, they are freakin tiny)

 

What is the point in playing any other themepark MMO? GW2 does all of it, and does it way better. The only reason one wouldn't like GW2, is because they are sandbox fans and are jaded they aren't getting any quality sandbox MMOs.

 

GW2 is a HUGE leap forward in themepark MMOs. Anyone still playing the old are like those who used bows and arrows, because they didn't want to advance to the gun age. They are trying to old back advancements to the technology, trying to ruin future MMOs that are themeparks.

 

Only MMO that can be better, is a very high quality sandbox MMO. And its only "better" if that style of MMO is your thing and not themeparks. Right now though, all sandbox MMOs (except EVE and even that sucks, but its best one out) are too low quality.

 

Future of MMOs goes to GW2 and a high quality sandbox MMO.

sure...

  Loke666

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9/17/12 8:25:29 AM#57
Originally posted by DMKano

Another one of these GW2 = the next coming of messiah posts

Lol

The auto-attack bit made me chuckle

In 3 months the game will be interesting when the lower zones are ghost towns - DEs will be interesting with nobody around

Whats wrong with you people? The only 2 options are bigger than Wow and failing miserably and closing down soon.

Life isnt just black and white, GW2 will do fine but not so amazing that it takes down Wow. Twice the number of active players and sold boxed of GW1 have always been my guess and is still true.

  ThaneUlfgar

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9/17/12 8:31:21 AM#58
It's a good game, but I don't think it's "that good."
  silkakc

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9/20/12 11:44:57 AM#59
Originally posted by Keller

Guildwars 2 is not king of the themeparks, yet.

LOTRO has far more socializing possibilities than GW2. Guildhalls, playerhouses, musical instruments, player hubs, taverns, cooking, fishing, smoking, etc.

Lore is pretty decent in LOTRO aswell. A lot of players know the books by heart and the game is pretty accurate. A lot of scenic "deja vu".

 

When GW2 gets some socializing and creates a decent community, with a lot of player hosted events, then  we will see if it can be the new King.

 

That's my sentiments too. I expected this to be comparable to LoTRO and I'm very disappointed.  I don't regret the money though because my daughter is loving it and I get to see her in game ( she's away at college).

  UtukuMoon

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9/20/12 11:56:08 AM#60
Originally posted by silkakc
Originally posted by Keller

Guildwars 2 is not king of the themeparks, yet.

LOTRO has far more socializing possibilities than GW2. Guildhalls, playerhouses, musical instruments, player hubs, taverns, cooking, fishing, smoking, etc.

Lore is pretty decent in LOTRO aswell. A lot of players know the books by heart and the game is pretty accurate. A lot of scenic "deja vu".

 

When GW2 gets some socializing and creates a decent community, with a lot of player hosted events, then  we will see if it can be the new King.

 

That's my sentiments too. I expected this to be comparable to LoTRO and I'm very disappointed.  I don't regret the money though because my daughter is loving it and I get to see her in game ( she's away at college).

The whole feel of lotro compared to GW2 is like night & day.In lotro you really do feel like you are in a living breathing world,the ambiance is all around you.From the music to all the character apperance option to the gathering in the prancing pony or meeting up in inns all over middle earth.

On top of that you can travel from one end of the world to the other without loading,it really is a true RPG feeling especially on the european Laurelin RP server.

GW2 is like a pointless tread mill that really makes you stop and think "what the hell am i doing this for" . In lotro you actually feel like your part of the story,you know that some where in world the fellowship is on the move and what's more you actually meet up with them from time to time.

The classes in lotro leave gw2 profession in the dust.My main is a burgalar,compared that class to the pathetic thief pro in gw2 and you realise that the thief is just a one trick boring pony.

OK, lotro has been out awhile but ArenaNet really haven't put the same effort into the proffession that they have in actually building the world,it could of been so much more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

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