Originally posted by Kaelano1

Has anyone else noticed every post lately that says something negative about gw2 must begin with...

 

"Don't get me wrong..."

"I love GW2 but..."

"Don't call me a troll..."

  I understand cliques and all, but damn, people, you bullies have people so cowed they're afraid to speak their minds without citing qualifications like they're asking your permission. I feel that's disgusting.

What is surprising is that as you read the rest of these types of post the entire thing is negative.  Some people just want to be able to state their own opinion and not hear dissenting views and they think that by paying lip service to 'oh Im not a hater' theyll avoid having to hear conflicting points of view.

What is disgusting is that people can't just be honest.  Its also disgusting that you seem to be suggesting that supporters of the game should shut up and let haters criticise without any comeback. 

If you dont like conflict, then don't post in the first place.

Sorry OP.

You may have valid points but I am simply lost. Could you please (in 1-2 sentences) specify where Anet went back on their word?

Please do not refer to your OP - While I am not on the TL:DR team, I actually tried (not successfully) to make heads and tails of your OP.

Originally posted by Tawn47

Originally posted by Kaelano1

Has anyone else noticed every post lately that says something negative about gw2 must begin with...

 

"Don't get me wrong..."

"I love GW2 but..."

"Don't call me a troll..."

  I understand cliques and all, but damn, people, you bullies have people so cowed they're afraid to speak their minds without citing qualifications like they're asking your permission. I feel that's disgusting.

What is surprising is that as you read the rest of these types of post the entire thing is negative.  Some people just want to be able to state their own opinion and not hear dissenting views and they think that by paying lip service to 'oh Im not a hater' theyll avoid having to hear conflicting points of view.

What is disgusting is that people can't just be honest.  Its also disgusting that you seem to be suggesting that supporters of the game should shut up and let haters criticise without any comeback. 

If you dont like conflict, then don't post in the first place.

Oh I thrive on conflict, and I don't believe for one second so many people start posts thusly so "people won't disagree". It's so people won't flag the post/thread as a "troll" and get it locked or the poster banned.

I know this... I bet you know this.

Originally posted by wowfan1996

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He lost me before I even finished the title.

Why would anyone think they are "forced" to get optional items or rewards?

Get them if you like to. It's a choise. If you made the stuff OP talked about achievable by only doing one thing, my next suggestion would be to add optional stuff for those who do a little bit of everything...

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Originally posted by Dfix
Stopped reading at "there".

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Difference between GW2 and other MMO's:

WoW, Rift, Swtor, Whatevergamehere = I HAVE to get better gear in order to see and compete in all the content. 

GW2 = I do NOT have to get better gear in order to see all of the games content. 

Seriously, try running PvP in SWTOR without PvP gear and see how long you last, or even try queueing in WoW without the correct level of gear, it simply won't let you. As a 400 armorsmith/weaponsmith, I crafted myself a full exotic set + exotic greatsword for ~10g, if you somehow do not have 10g by level 80, I have no idea what you were doing the entire time you were leveling. 

Legendaries and dungeon armor are not required, they are unique looking pieces that are there for those who wish to put the time into getting them. This is no different from the original Guild Wars. 

Originally posted by MercAngel

 

now i think there are 3 type of players the PvP only, the PvE only and the player that do PvP & PvE

mind officially blown.

Originally posted by sookster54

 

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Originally posted by Dfix
Stopped reading at "there".

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LOL, grammar doesn't really matter when you know what they're trying to say. My father is a retired lawyer (for 35+ years) and his spelling has always been terrible, thank god for secretaries (especially hot ones).

 

No, he really saved himself a headache of trying to read the other 50 grammar/spelling errors that followed.

Originally posted by Kaelano1

Originally posted by Tawn47

Originally posted by Kaelano1

Has anyone else noticed every post lately that says something negative about gw2 must begin with...

 

"Don't get me wrong..."

"I love GW2 but..."

"Don't call me a troll..."

  I understand cliques and all, but damn, people, you bullies have people so cowed they're afraid to speak their minds without citing qualifications like they're asking your permission. I feel that's disgusting.

What is surprising is that as you read the rest of these types of post the entire thing is negative.  Some people just want to be able to state their own opinion and not hear dissenting views and they think that by paying lip service to 'oh Im not a hater' theyll avoid having to hear conflicting points of view.

What is disgusting is that people can't just be honest.  Its also disgusting that you seem to be suggesting that supporters of the game should shut up and let haters criticise without any comeback. 

If you dont like conflict, then don't post in the first place.

Oh I thrive on conflict, and I don't believe for one second so many people start posts thusly so "people won't disagree". It's so people won't flag the post/thread as a "troll" and get it locked or the poster banned.

I know this... I bet you know this.

I find that posts that start with phrases like that are *very* often  trolls trying to disguise the fact that its a troll post.

Originally posted by Xerith

Difference between GW2 and other MMO's:

WoW, Rift, Swtor, Whatevergamehere = I HAVE to get better gear in order to see and compete in all the content. 

GW2 = I do NOT have to get better gear in order to see all of the games content. 

Seriously, try running PvP in SWTOR without PvP gear and see how long you last, or even try queueing in WoW without the correct level of gear, it simply won't let you. As a 400 armorsmith/weaponsmith, I crafted myself a full exotic set + exotic greatsword for ~10g, if you somehow do not have 10g by level 80, I have no idea what you were doing the entire time you were leveling. 

Legendaries and dungeon armor are not required, they are unique looking pieces that are there for those who wish to put the time into getting them. This is no different from the original Guild Wars. 

Gear didn't matter "that much" in swtor when i played it through May, as long as you had something. Once you got the second set you were like, "wtf it just screwed up my crits and the stats really aren't better". Also as I left they were introducing full "starter" pvp sets you could buy with credits. People also complained soc was so much better than sage when they were complete mirrors, and same with other classes. It was alot of contrived whining when the issue was truly communication and teamwork.

RIFT, meh. I just leveled everything with my tank.

WoW, you have an argument, because there have been several evolutions of pvp stuff over 8 years, but truly, back when I played alot (first couple years) it wasn't so hard to "get equipped".

What else... warhammer wasn't so bad early on with the gear, then they started giving it like candy in bags. TSW is more a matter of gear/actives/passives congruity than the level of gear, but you want to be ql10 to start. COH pvp could be pretty imbalanced if you played in the first year they had crafting. EQ/EQ2 pvp was never good or balanced in any way, shape or form. Thinking back, I think the biggest disparity ever was Ultima Online.

Originally posted by MercAngel

do not get me wrong here i love the game and do not call out troll just my post history. but ANet has lied about a few thing for years they have said they want the player to play the way the player wants to and not the way the devs want you to like in other mmo's and also that there is no grind mill. i am not going to call in a P2W but a P2LG(Pay To Look Good).

 

now i think there are 3 type of players the PvP only, the PvE only and the player that do PvP & PvE

 

lets start with the Achievement when you look at the list it is clear what is PvP stuf  PvP Conqueror and World vs World so looking at the ret of the list you would think they can be done by PvE only players as they do not have anything PvP in there name this is turn for all put on the Monthly you have to have WvW kills to get this one. now to me this should be moved to the WvW section or change to somehting like WvW or Boss kills. now i know they are just numbers but to some player they are not and with the Monthly set up they way it is it makes players then like number to play a style they make not like.

 

Lvl 80 Gear

i have not found any NPC that sell lvl 80 gear with good stats other then Karma npc at 42,200 for each  for a total of 253,200 Karma for all your armor not if that is not a grid mill what is i have not found weapons npc yet but i bet is 10X the price just like with the dungon weapons 35 tokens for a pice of armor but 350 tokes for a weapon.

 

Legendary weapons

i know this will take a lot to but but if you are PvE only or PvP only forget about makeing any only players that do PvP and PvE cam make them so ANet is makeing the platy play the way they want if you want a Legendary one of the items you need is 500 Badge of Honor witch can only be got in WvW and they are soul bound so you will never see them in the TP.

now to make they you need to make differnt kinds of gifts in the Mystic Forge now i am not sure if the gidts can be sold on the TP or not but if they can i am sure the will lots of gold to get. i have also read you can get most of the items you need for around 350+ gold. you also need and item from a dungon npc that cost 500 tokens to get.

 

i seen post about gold sellers there are only going to be more and more ANet has setup a market for them just in the time can cost if take to make a Legendary. i know a lot of the stuff i put up you can get on the TP but top lvl gear on the TP is still 60+ gold for each.

 

as i said a love the game but the path ANet is takeing is not going to be good in the end if a gold seller can make say $200 befor the account get baned do you think they are going to care about speneing another $60 for a new account

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Honestly, I'd love to see where any of these facts were ever posted by Anet to prove his point, because I can't take any of this seriously.

Not only that. but 200$ from a hacked account? That account had to be actually wealthy to start with. 200$ is well over 10 gold, and the majority of players have probably about 2-3 even at level 80. So I'm not sure how thats even possible.

Originally posted by MercAngel

do not get me wrong here i love the game and do not call out troll just my post history. but ANet has lied about a few thing for years they have said they want the player to play the way the player wants to and not the way the devs want you to like in other mmo's and also that there is no grind mill. i am not going to call in a P2W but a P2LG(Pay To Look Good).

 

OP- it is really hard NOT to get you wrong when you start claiming that ArenaNet have lied about a few things for years.

That is such an outragours claim, that there really is no point in going further with your post from that point.

WHAT LIES ???

you mention grind mill , do you know the defination of grind they are talking about?  Because unless you have adapted a very unreflected view of what grind means their claim still stands. And that is conneckted to the players being able to play like they want.

maybe you should start over with your post and get to the point without getting offtrack with using words like lieing without backing them up with substance.

Achievments I could care less about so not gonna comment on that.

About lvl 80 exotic gear. You can craft lvl 80 exotic gear which looks epic, you can also BUY it at Trading Post from the people who crafted it as well. Or you can decide to go for cultural armor sets and get it for karma. The cultural armor sets should cost more since they are, oh well, cultural?

Legendary weapons.

Does the name ring a few bells? No? Well they're SUPPOSED to be hard to get, other way what's the point in them being legendary if every monkey with a sweat suit can get it?

About gold sellers, they wouldn't be making money if people wouldn't buy them. Right?

Originally posted by Kaelano1

Originally posted by Tawn47

Originally posted by Kaelano1

Has anyone else noticed every post lately that says something negative about gw2 must begin with...

 

"Don't get me wrong..."

"I love GW2 but..."

"Don't call me a troll..."

  I understand cliques and all, but damn, people, you bullies have people so cowed they're afraid to speak their minds without citing qualifications like they're asking your permission. I feel that's disgusting.

What is surprising is that as you read the rest of these types of post the entire thing is negative.  Some people just want to be able to state their own opinion and not hear dissenting views and they think that by paying lip service to 'oh Im not a hater' theyll avoid having to hear conflicting points of view.

What is disgusting is that people can't just be honest.  Its also disgusting that you seem to be suggesting that supporters of the game should shut up and let haters criticise without any comeback. 

If you dont like conflict, then don't post in the first place.

Oh I thrive on conflict, and I don't believe for one second so many people start posts thusly so "people won't disagree". It's so people won't flag the post/thread as a "troll" and get it locked or the poster banned.

I know this... I bet you know this.

So you think mods just ban/lock just because a person reports it?  You realise you're basically saying the mods aren't doing their jobs properly....   either that or the said poster is afraid of a ban or a lock, because they are in fact trolling.

Originally posted by Kaelano1

Has anyone else noticed every post lately that says something negative about gw2 must begin with...

 

"Don't get me wrong..."

"I love GW2 but..."

"Don't call me a troll..."

  I understand cliques and all, but damn, people, you bullies have people so cowed they're afraid to speak their minds without citing qualifications like they're asking your permission. I feel that's disgusting.

You've needed to preface all criticisms of GW2 for a while for fear of being banned.

Originally posted by Kaelano1

Has anyone else noticed every post lately that says something negative about gw2 must begin with...

 

"Don't get me wrong..."

"I love GW2 but..."

"Don't call me a troll..."

  I understand cliques and all, but damn, people, you bullies have people so cowed they're afraid to speak their minds without citing qualifications like they're asking your permission. I feel that's disgusting.

its cuz you get banned for speaking negatively.  happend twice to me already lol. 

Originally posted by cura
You should learn to use commas. I really mean no offence but i cant force myself to read this gibberish

You should learn to use apostrophes.  And this is how you should have typed this sentence:

You should learn to use commans.  I really mean no offence, but I can't force myself to read this gibberish.  

There are optional goals that take a fairly lengthy time commitment to receive, which is good, because people have goals to achieve for the long haul. I thing an important thing to point out is that there is not a large leap in stats between level 80 Rares, which are fairly easy to get and Exotics, which take more effort. This is NOT a game where that "Epic endgame gear" has 40%+ higher stats than the lower tier gear.

With my level 80, I did push to get exotic weapons, but I feel fine in my Rare armor as I slowly work towards those eventual upgrades. I think the stat difference is less than 10% and with my current build, I'm not having issues with content while I work towards those upgrades.

I think the developers struck a great balance. It is not that difficult to get yourself equiped in rares once you hit 80, but there are long term goals to work towards with Exotics and Legendary gear. BTW, level scaling does work. I've been having fun helping a level 40ish friend and my presence goes not trivialize content. (I've also run content with the same friend using  a 30ish character, so I can make the direct comparison. It's slightly easier with my level 80, but I still need to pay attention).

I don't think things are perfect. I have found a lot of people at level 80 not wanting to do high level DEs, because they don't appreciate the XP progression for additional skill points and they are justifiably disappointed with the low silver payout on level 80 DEs. DE rewards really need to scale better from level 40 on!