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  lordpenquin

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OP  9/14/12 2:00:12 PM#1

Is GW2 the final nail in the coffin of the western $15/month mmorpg?  Will there be any company that releases a game post GW2 that isn't free to play or buy to play?  Is any company foolish to attempt to charge a monthly fee for a new MMORGP?

 

 

  botrytis

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9/14/12 2:02:35 PM#2
It is not the nail. Sorry - MMO's are niche games that cater to a smaller number of player. Many different types of business models will be supported. That is unless their business drops to 0 overnight and I don't think that will happen.

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  coretex666

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9/14/12 2:02:47 PM#3

Troll post or are you actually being serious?

I cant really tell.

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  Torgrim

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9/14/12 2:03:45 PM#4
Originally posted by botrytis
It is not the nail. Sorry - MMO's are niche games that cater to a smaller number of player. Many different types of business models will be supported. That is unless their business drops to 0 overnight and I don't think that will happen.

 

MMOs are not niche game anymore sorry to break the bubble, they were niche post WoW.

If it's not broken, you are not innovating.

  Tawn47

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9/14/12 2:04:01 PM#5

It is a question I would be interested to see the answer to.

IMO we have now all seen the quality and level of content that can be achieved without a sub-fee..  which leaves questions about what we are paying for in other games.

Some people are locked into thinking every hyped new mmo must be a failure and they fail to see the positives in GW2 - so they might still pay subs.

It all depends on how GW2 does long term.

This will likely have a strong effect on the development of Blizzards secret 'titan' project.

  nihenah

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9/14/12 2:04:20 PM#6
Its definitely not a nail in the coffin for sub based game. But it puts alot more pressure on companies who are charging their customers for content to get their act together and push out more content.
  TruthXHurts

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9/14/12 2:04:25 PM#7
You guys act like MMO's invented the F2P and B2P models...

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  Tawn47

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9/14/12 2:05:03 PM#8
Originally posted by Torgrim
Originally posted by botrytis
It is not the nail. Sorry - MMO's are niche games that cater to a smaller number of player. Many different types of business models will be supported. That is unless their business drops to 0 overnight and I don't think that will happen.

 

MMOs are not niche game anymore sorry to break the bubble, they were niche post WoW.

I think you meant pre-wow ;)

  halflife25

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9/14/12 2:06:04 PM#9
I don't think people mind paying 15 bucks for a game as long as a game is fun..example WOW. But no one will pay 15 bucks for a crap MMO. So failing of MMOS have less to do with monthly sub but more to do with sub par gameplay.
  IceAge

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9/14/12 2:06:05 PM#10
Originally posted by coretex666

Troll post or are you actually being serious?

I cant really tell.

He can't be serious :)

P2P, B2P and F2P will always exist ( at least for XX years more ) !

If it's a troll , then it will catch people like you :)

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  Xiaoki

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9/14/12 2:07:04 PM#11

No, just the final nail in the coffin of over-hyped smash and grab garbage MMOs that would flop no matter what payment model they use.

  User Deleted
9/14/12 2:07:12 PM#12

Nope. As long as developers think the sub model can yield them eternal riches from the masses, they'lll keep using it until it doesn't. See RIFT as a minor example, and WoW as a major example.

But what might happen is that there will be more B2P MMOs to provide competition.

  Wolvards

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9/14/12 2:07:49 PM#13
Originally posted by TruthXHurts
You guys act like MMO's invented the F2P and B2P models...

 Even i'm a huge GW2 fan, but this statement is so true.

Both models will linger for a very, very long time. Maybe do like a pendulum, swings towards F2P, than back to P2P, who knows...

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  User Deleted
9/14/12 2:07:52 PM#14
Originally posted by coretex666

Troll post or are you actually being serious?

I cant really tell.

Same here.

 

If the draw to GW2 is lack of sub fee, why (evidenced from previous threads on this board) are people so keen on cash shop stuff? Hell, from what I'm reading some people have doubled the retail price in cash shop and it's not even been a month.

 

Weird.

  david361107

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9/14/12 2:09:39 PM#15

i really doubt it, gw2 you can hit level cap in around 100 hours tops. now you have to wait 8month to a year for another GW2 box to come out, pay your $50 for that, then again and again. GW2 is ok but not epic by any means and in todays market there are too many good games out, whats going to happen is this. You going to have more and more mmo's hit the market that will slowly take away the WOW base but it will be more spread out. I think what you have is the end to the 10 Million plus subs once WOW drops below that. Free to play is kind of a BS statement anyway, you don't get the full game for free. Example of one I love is "World of Tanks" shit I spent more on that "F2P" game in three months than i did on any fee based games I've played and I've played them all. Don't get me wrong, tanks is a great business model for F2P games, but its far from being free. So basically you are going to see some F2P and some P2P over the next few years and then I think you'll see the F2P's going away.

 

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  botrytis

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9/14/12 2:11:31 PM#16
Originally posted by Torgrim
Originally posted by botrytis
It is not the nail. Sorry - MMO's are niche games that cater to a smaller number of player. Many different types of business models will be supported. That is unless their business drops to 0 overnight and I don't think that will happen.

 

MMOs are not niche game anymore sorry to break the bubble, they were niche post WoW.

Compared to let's say Halo2 and games like that, yes they are niche in general. Not saying it is bad but Rift, TSW, TOR, etc have not sold as much - WoW has just been out alot longer (7 years is a long time).

 

 

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  Dragonantis

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9/14/12 2:14:54 PM#17
I wouldnt say a nail but I think electric tape would be a better answer, its locked the market right now but weather it sticks only time can tell.
  GeezerGamer

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9/14/12 2:18:38 PM#18

I love these threads.

Just because ArenaNet has stayed true to their word and has chosen not to abuse it's playerbase wiht this model, doens't mean there aren't a ton of companies frothing at the mouth to charge a box fee in addition to their current p2w cash shop revenue model.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  User Deleted
9/14/12 2:18:43 PM#19
Originally posted by lordpenquin

Is GW2 the final nail in the coffin of the western $15/month mmorpg?  Will there be any company that releases a game post GW2 that isn't free to play or buy to play?  Is any company foolish to attempt to charge a monthly fee for a new MMORGP?

 

 

cool post.

now only thing it can change on free to play market is that all eastern ,western ,northern,whatevern free to play games will have 59,99$ price tag on them in the future.

Is any company foolish to attempt to give their products for free ?

 

  TeknoBug

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9/14/12 2:19:16 PM#20

No I don't think this is the last of P2P MMO games, there surely will be some more in the future, and SWTOR claiming to go F2P really will still be P2P because you won't be able to do very much without a sub- limited pvp time, 1 flashpoint a week, no operations, no GTN, no emails.


Biggest problem right now I'm seeing with GW2, are the gold selles and account thieves stealing accounts and not having to pay a cent to use them, Lion's Arch are loaded with gold spam in chat and I get a dozen emails a day about it now too. I haven't seen it this bad in other games.


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