I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP.  While most of GW2 occurred the first week, you gotta figure they are still pulling in 100k per week... so give them 2.3M boxes when MOP launches.

I don´t think MOP gets 4.6M sales, even 4.2 will be pushing it.

One telling thing though is how many people are riding around on the collector´s edition Mounts.  Not only does that indicate that a ton of people have already bought MOP, but that they paid $60 for it.  Those mounts are so common now that I wouldn´t even use it if I had it.

2M for GW2 is a huge number... but in reality, MOP will sell almost double that in 1 day to people who will also have to pay $15 per month, and that is only in the West.

I like Blizzard´s business model much better.

Originally posted by expresso
I would be surprised if MOP pre-order + day 1 sales are close to 4 million (considering Cata sold 3.3 milion in the first 24 hours), but will easily sell 4 million plus in it's first month. Cata sold 4.7 million in it;s first month - not avaliable in china at the time.

As subs have been sliding since Cata, I expect MoP to be less than Wrath at launch. It will pick up, but I don't think we'll see the record-breaking numbers we have for the past releases.

I bought 3 copies since i and both of my brothers are goign to play MOP at release. We are also playing GW2 together. But what i am getting is at a lot of  us can play both games at same time one being B2P and all. Why it has to be a competition between the two?

What will happen if say MOP outsells GW2 or if it fails to outsell GW2?

Originally posted by halflife25

I bought 3 copies since i and both of my brothers are goign to play MOP at release. We are also playing GW2 together. But what i am getting is at a lot of  us can play both games at same time one being B2P and all. Why it has to be a competition between the two?

What will happen if say MOP outsells GW2 or if it fails to outsell GW2?

Nothing..  but the NFL and MLB  make billions of dollars because people like to talk about things that have no bearing on actual real life.   Why have I been a Steelers fan for 30 years, and cheer for a player I have never met, and whose success on Sunday has no bearing at all on my real life?  Kinda the same thing.. 

Why does it matter to be honest?

If GW2 sales are enough to support future development and met their target goal, then they have succeeded. If MoP went on to sell 52 trillion boxes would that somehow change the previous statement?

WoW has the largest subscriber base for an MMO currently, it is not really surprising that it will sell a lot of copies of its expansion despite its massive loss of subscribers earlier this year. 

Not sure why everything has to be measured up to WoW (which is an anomaly) and can't just be measured by their own merrit. 

WoW has something like 6 million western players? Why would anyone not expect it to sell at least that much?

I realize this thread is some sort of pissing contest but is there anyone who really feels that  Pandaland will not outsell GW2? And why are we comparing a game to an expansion of an already existing game?

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Originally posted by expresso
I would be surprised if MOP pre-order + day 1 sales are close to 4 million (considering Cata sold 3.3 milion in the first 24 hours), but will easily sell 4 million plus in it's first month. Cata sold 4.7 million in it;s first month - not avaliable in china at the time.

As subs have been sliding since Cata, I expect MoP to be less than Wrath at launch. It will pick up, but I don't think we'll see the record-breaking numbers we have for the past releases.

I think that will be the telling sign if WOW actually ´lost´ subs or if there were just a lot of people who temporarily unsubscribed because DS got old.  Did they come back and buy MOP.

Originally posted by Leethe

WoW has something like 6 million western players? Why would anyone not expect it to sell at least that much?

I realize this thread is some sort of pissing contest but is there anyone who really feels that  Pandaland will not outsell GW2? And why are we comparing a game to an expansion of an already existing game?

Originally posted by Azrile

I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP.  While most of GW2 occurred the first week, you gotta figure they are still pulling in 100k per week... so give them 2.3M boxes when MOP launches.

I don´t think MOP gets 4.6M sales, even 4.2 will be pushing it.

One telling thing though is how many people are riding around on the collector´s edition Mounts.  Not only does that indicate that a ton of people have already bought MOP, but that they paid $60 for it.  Those mounts are so common now that I wouldn´t even use it if I had it.

2M for GW2 is a huge number... but in reality, MOP will sell almost double that in 1 day to people who will also have to pay $15 per month, and that is only in the West.

I like Blizzard´s business model much better.

Putting the two games aside

OP please explain to me: Why you like Blizzard's business model better.

$15 a month versus $0 per month and both games you have the option to purchase items in a cash shop.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Originally posted by expresso
I would be surprised if MOP pre-order + day 1 sales are close to 4 million (considering Cata sold 3.3 milion in the first 24 hours), but will easily sell 4 million plus in it's first month. Cata sold 4.7 million in it;s first month - not avaliable in china at the time.

As subs have been sliding since Cata, I expect MoP to be less than Wrath at launch. It will pick up, but I don't think we'll see the record-breaking numbers we have for the past releases.

I think that will be the telling sign if WOW actually ´lost´ subs or if there were just a lot of people who temporarily unsubscribed because DS got old.  Did they come back and buy MOP.

Agreed. I'm one of those that was lost to Cata, but MoP looks decent and I'm looking good for about 2 months of it.

Originally posted by Azrile

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Originally posted by expresso
I would be surprised if MOP pre-order + day 1 sales are close to 4 million (considering Cata sold 3.3 milion in the first 24 hours), but will easily sell 4 million plus in it's first month. Cata sold 4.7 million in it;s first month - not avaliable in china at the time.

As subs have been sliding since Cata, I expect MoP to be less than Wrath at launch. It will pick up, but I don't think we'll see the record-breaking numbers we have for the past releases.

I think that will be the telling sign if WOW actually ´lost´ subs or if there were just a lot of people who temporarily unsubscribed because DS got old.  Did they come back and buy MOP.

I stopped plaing WoW in January after my guild had our fill of raiding Dragon soul, there has been no new content since Dragon soul -  thats 9 months (come on blizzard!).  I assume a lot of people have just done what I did consumed the avaliable content and stop playing until MOP, hence drop in subs but we'll al be back.  Sales figures should be on par if not a little better than Cata but I guess we'll know in a few weeks.

I plan on giving it a shot. I'm really looking forward to the Panda thing no matter what others have said. The trailer is pretty awesome! :)

I'm not to sure of the relevance to GW2 sales but I guess it's important to some folks! I for one can play many different games be cause I'm gameidextrious. :)

Originally posted by Azrile

I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP. 

im expecting MOP West to sell less than Cata West - but will see soon enough

Originally posted by Azrile

I may be short on my prediction.   GW2 announced that they had sold 2M boxes so far, with another 10 days until MOP.  I had predicted that MOP would sell double, in it´s first day (and only in the west),  than GW2 sold in the month leading up to MOP.  While most of GW2 occurred the first week, you gotta figure they are still pulling in 100k per week... so give them 2.3M boxes when MOP launches.

I don´t think MOP gets 4.6M sales, even 4.2 will be pushing it.

One telling thing though is how many people are riding around on the collector´s edition Mounts.  Not only does that indicate that a ton of people have already bought MOP, but that they paid $60 for it.  Those mounts are so common now that I wouldn´t even use it if I had it.

2M for GW2 is a huge number... but in reality, MOP will sell almost double that in 1 day to people who will also have to pay $15 per month, and that is only in the West.

I like Blizzard´s business model much better.

Propably around 4 mil? Could be less after Cata incident though. I bought Cata to play it for a very short time, I even considered trying out MoP back at spring even when I fully know that the game is unable to suck me in anymore. Maybe that's because it has pretty much been my only long term mmorpg, back in the day. And I'm definately not alone.

I'm kinda curious to see how many people are holding back on GW2 for MoP, then try MoP out just to realize that yep it's still the exact same game they quit and then go try out GW2. Who knows, propably not many, afterall it's Blizz and their trailers are awesome :)

But I gotta say when ever WoW expansion launches it reminds me of how bad shape the genre is in. There's so few actual contenders or worthwile games, so little variation and actual choises to pick from. It's one of the reasons why so many people keep buying WoW expansions without really even playing the game. The game sells like crazy yet the gameplay hours reported on stats sites are not very flattering for the game.

Originally posted by expresso
I would be surprised if MOP pre-order + day 1 sales are close to 4 million (considering Cata sold 3.3 milion in the first 24 hours), but will easily sell 4 million plus in it's first month. Cata sold 4.7 million in it;s first month - not avaliable in china at the time.

What's with all the East side, West side think? WoW never sold boxes in China ( Asia ) because the payment model is different then the one in EU/NA.

On a side note, let them sell as many boxes as possible and take their time and investment to put it in "Titan".

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by expresso
I would be surprised if MOP pre-order + day 1 sales are close to 4 million (considering Cata sold 3.3 milion in the first 24 hours), but will easily sell 4 million plus in it's first month. Cata sold 4.7 million in it;s first month - not avaliable in china at the time.

What's with all the East side, West side think? WoW never sold boxes in China ( Asia ) because the payment model is different then the one in EU/NA.

On a side note, let them sell as many boxes as possible and take their time and investment to put it in "Titan".

We need to split up west and east else this thread would fill up with trolls talkiing about Blizzard lieing about their sub numbers.

Originally posted by expresso

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by expresso
I would be surprised if MOP pre-order + day 1 sales are close to 4 million (considering Cata sold 3.3 milion in the first 24 hours), but will easily sell 4 million plus in it's first month. Cata sold 4.7 million in it;s first month - not avaliable in china at the time.

What's with all the East side, West side think? WoW never sold boxes in China ( Asia ) because the payment model is different then the one in EU/NA.

On a side note, let them sell as many boxes as possible and take their time and investment to put it in "Titan".

We need to split up west and east else this thread would fill up with trolls talkiing about Blizzard lieing about their sub numbers.

Yes, we need to split up west and east, and you said it correct! It's about sub numbers not box sales!

Other then that, carry on ..

I think it is quite possible that MoP sells around 4m copies.

I was kind of surprised when I saw that GW sold only 2m copies. I expected different numbers.

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by expresso

Originally posted by IceAge

Originally posted by expresso
I would be surprised if MOP pre-order + day 1 sales are close to 4 million (considering Cata sold 3.3 milion in the first 24 hours), but will easily sell 4 million plus in it's first month. Cata sold 4.7 million in it;s first month - not avaliable in china at the time.

What's with all the East side, West side think? WoW never sold boxes in China ( Asia ) because the payment model is different then the one in EU/NA.

On a side note, let them sell as many boxes as possible and take their time and investment to put it in "Titan".

We need to split up west and east else this thread would fill up with trolls talkiing about Blizzard lieing about their sub numbers.

Yes, we need to split up west and east, and you said it correct! It's about sub numbers not box sales!

Other then that, carry on ..

When blizzard announced month 1 Cata sales of 4.7million they also said they had some 12million subscribers, the trolls made a point of saying "so 7 million players did not buy Cata, proof blizz lie about their numbers", we had to explain that Cata was not avaliable in china and some other regions at the time.  

It's best to remind people of this when talking about blizzard numbers cus many people of this forum are looking to cause trouble.