Originally posted by Soandsoso

Everyone knows WoW has a grind.

 

Its the GW2 fans who said GW2 didn't have a grind which the OP has clearly pointed out they do.

 

The truth hurts sometimes, we know.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by papardelios

Originally posted by krakra70

Here's my list:

1-80: Start looking for an MMO with actual endgame.

ahahaha agree 100%  :)

Funny thing is the "actual" end game is the same as this list in all mmorpgs. Grind for gear. Grind for titles. Grind for rankings.

And by all you mean most themepark MMORPGs.

Yeah, cause there is NEVER any grinding in Sandbox MMOs....

Originally posted by IfrianMMO

Originally posted by Volkon

WoW Endgame.

 

10  Reach max level

20  Run dungeons to get gear for first raid

30  If gear == "ready for raid"

40     Run raid for gear

50     If raid == "last raid released"

60       Loop (Is next expansion released)

70         When Loop = "Yes" Goto 10

80       End-Loop

90     Else

100      raid = nextRaid

110      Goto 40

120    End-if

130  End-if

 

According to this list not.

According to this list WoW Endgame is composed of tons of exciting things to do! :

 

- Do all the daily quests!

-Explore all the zones and complete their quests!

-Unlock all the reputation levels to get all the reputation gear!

-Collect all the minipets!

-Collect all the mounts!

-Shuffle your talents and try new, exciting specs!

-Collect all your class fitting gear!

-Collect all your raid gear!

-collect all your raid weapons!

-Collect all your dungeon sets!

-Collect all your dungeon weapons!

-Collect your pvp gear!

-Collect your pvp weapons!

-Collect all your class glyphs!

-Make enough gold to buy cool looking epic gear from the ah!

-Make a guild!

-Make a guild and level it up to lv 25!

-Unlock all the guild perks!

-Obtain all the guild achievements!

-Obtain all the guild reptuation gear!

-Obtain all the pvp achievements!

-Obtain all the pve achievements

-Raise all professions to max!

-Raise your secondary professions to max!

-Make an arena team!

-Partecipate in team arenas!

 

And i could go on and on and on and on

Originally posted by IfrianMMO

Originally posted by Volkon

WoW Endgame.

 

10  Reach max level

20  Run dungeons to get gear for first raid

30  If gear == "ready for raid"

40     Run raid for gear

50     If raid == "last raid released"

60       Loop (Is next expansion released)

70         When Loop = "Yes" Goto 10

80       End-Loop

90     Else

100      raid = nextRaid

110      Goto 40

120    End-if

130  End-if

 

According to this list not.

According to this list WoW Endgame is composed of tons of exciting things to do! :

 

- Do all the daily quests!

-Explore all the zones and complete their quests!

-Unlock all the reputation levels to get all the reputation gear!

-Collect all the minipets!

-Collect all the mounts!

-Shuffle your talents and try new, exciting specs!

-Collect all your class fitting gear!

-Collect all your raid gear!

-collect all your raid weapons!

-Collect all your dungeon sets!

-Collect all your dungeon weapons!

-Collect your pvp gear!

-Collect your pvp weapons!

-Collect all your class glyphs!

-Make enough gold to buy cool looking epic gear from the ah!

-Make a guild!

-Make a guild and level it up to lv 25!

-Unlock all the guild perks!

-Obtain all the guild achievements!

-Obtain all the guild reptuation gear!

-Obtain all the pvp achievements!

-Obtain all the pve achievements

-Raise all professions to max!

-Raise your secondary professions to max!

-Make an arena team!

-Partecipate in team arenas!

 

And i could go on and on and on and on

Both good games imho. Right now I'm just playing the B2P one though. :)

Originally posted by IfrianMMO

http://guildwars2hub.com/features/editorials/80-things-do-level-80

80 Things to Do At Level 80

1. Complete your personal story
2. Defeat Zhaitan
3. Unlock all available skills for your profession / race
4. Raise your crafting disciplines to skill level 400
5. Earn enough gold to purchase a racial armor set
6. Earn enough karma to purchase an exotic armor set
7. Play through all dungeons in story mode
8. Complete all dungeons in explorable mode
9. Complete all 33 possible explorable mode dungeon paths
10. Earn enough dungeon tokens to purchase a set of armor
11. Collect a set of armor from each dungeon in the game
12. Start a petition to make the Undead Orrian Chicken a new necro minion
13. Earn enough karma to purchase a racial weapon
14. Craft an exotic weapon for your character
15. Craft an exotic armor set for your character
16. Purchase a Dragon’s Deep weapon
17. Earn all possible PvE titles
18. Experiment with new builds for your profession
19. Discover all possible recipes for your crafting disciplines
20. Master all crafting disciplines
21. Experiment with the Mystic Forge
22. Create a Mystic weapon in the Mystic Forge
23. Craft a legendary weapon in the Mystic Forge
24. Explore all areas in the game
25. Find and use a vial of black dye
26. Find a vial of black dye and give it to a friend
27. Create or purchase a full set of 20 slot bags
28. Give Logan a wedgie
29. Participate in the Norn Keg Brawl
30. Unlock all Keg Brawl achievements
31. Create a new character to experience a different profession / race
32. Participate in structured PvP
33. Raise your sPvP rank
34. Achieve the rank of Ascendant in sPvP
35. Complete your favorite sPvP cosmetic armor set
36. Collect new cosmetic weapon skins for sPvP
37. Unlock all possible cosmetic weapon and armor skins in sPvP
38. Earn all sPvP titles
39. Find and complete all 31 jumping puzzles
40. Complete the current Monthly achievements
41. Help your guild earn influence to unlock additional perks
42. Outrun a centaur
43. Charm all possible pets as a Ranger
44. Create an all-ranger guild called Team Rocket, lose constantly in sPvP
45. Collect all 101 types of cooking materials
46. Fill every collection slot in the bank with at least one item
47. Participate in World versus World
48. Help your world win in WvW
49. Defeat enough enemy players in WvW to complete the medal
50. Complete the awesome Yakslapper achievement in WvW
51. Complete all WvW achievements
52. Build and use all siege weapon types in WvW
53. Earn all possible WvW Titles
54. Play the organ in Caledon forest, and party with the Quaggan
55. Earn enough gold to purchase a Commander Tome
56. Visit the monument to Killeen and pay your respects
57. Defeat the Shatterer
58. Defeat the Claw of Jormag
59. Defeat Tequatl the Sunless
60. Add new friends to your friend’s list
61. Organize an in-game event for your guild
62. Complete every map in the game
63. Participate in meta events
64. Discover and participate in new dynamic events
65. Collect stacks of butter and butter prank your friends
66. Learn the ins and outs of the Trading Post
67. Get rich selling Globs of Ectoplasm
68. Buy a Box o’ Fun and throw a party in Lion’s Arch
69. Complete an armor set for your character’s Order
70. Read all of the books in Divinity's Reach
71. Read the story of how Ebonhawke was founded
72. Complete all possible weapon achievements for your character
73. Defeat the Champion of Grenth and purchase the exotic armor set
74. Write about your level 80 experience, have it published on GW2Hub
75. Purchase a set of armor from the guild armorsmith
76. Purchase a set of weapons from the guild weaponsmith
77. Complete all Slayer achievements
78. Complete the Lifetime Survivor achievement
79. Go skydiving in Arah after defeating Zhaitan
80. Have fun!

 

So according to the "experts" this is the list of different and fun things you are supposed to be able to do at lv 80.

I love how the 90% of it is :

 

-Grind for Gear

-Grind for achievements

-Grind for collect random crap

-Spam dungeons like crazy

 

But hey, it´s GW2, that automatically makes it  non-grind and fun apparently, even though any other game would be burned to death if they presented such a list as "endgame content"

I like the game, i have bought gems two times already to support it, and i will keep getting the expansions and whatever they throw at us because i enjoy the game, but it came to a moment where anything gw2 does is automatically holy and fun for no other reason that it´s gw2

And this is why i hate this game´s fanbois much more than i do hate the haters, despite the fact i do enjoy the game myself.

This is getting ridiculous.

 

 

Damn you beat me to it.  I was jsut getting ready to post this here.

Sad that the haters and detracters will still find fault no matter how much proof is shown them though.  Simply put, GW2 has tons of content and the legendary farming will take someone who doesnt powerlevel like me plenty of time to even begin let alone finish.

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Originally posted by IfrianMMO

http://guildwars2hub.com/features/editorials/80-things-do-level-80

80 Things to Do At Level 80

1. Complete your personal story
2. Defeat Zhaitan
3. Unlock all available skills for your profession / race
4. Raise your crafting disciplines to skill level 400
5. Earn enough gold to purchase a racial armor set
6. Earn enough karma to purchase an exotic armor set
7. Play through all dungeons in story mode
8. Complete all dungeons in explorable mode
9. Complete all 33 possible explorable mode dungeon paths
10. Earn enough dungeon tokens to purchase a set of armor
11. Collect a set of armor from each dungeon in the game
12. Start a petition to make the Undead Orrian Chicken a new necro minion
13. Earn enough karma to purchase a racial weapon
14. Craft an exotic weapon for your character
15. Craft an exotic armor set for your character
16. Purchase a Dragon’s Deep weapon
17. Earn all possible PvE titles
18. Experiment with new builds for your profession
19. Discover all possible recipes for your crafting disciplines
20. Master all crafting disciplines
21. Experiment with the Mystic Forge
22. Create a Mystic weapon in the Mystic Forge
23. Craft a legendary weapon in the Mystic Forge
24. Explore all areas in the game
25. Find and use a vial of black dye
26. Find a vial of black dye and give it to a friend
27. Create or purchase a full set of 20 slot bags
28. Give Logan a wedgie
29. Participate in the Norn Keg Brawl
30. Unlock all Keg Brawl achievements
31. Create a new character to experience a different profession / race
32. Participate in structured PvP
33. Raise your sPvP rank
34. Achieve the rank of Ascendant in sPvP
35. Complete your favorite sPvP cosmetic armor set
36. Collect new cosmetic weapon skins for sPvP
37. Unlock all possible cosmetic weapon and armor skins in sPvP
38. Earn all sPvP titles
39. Find and complete all 31 jumping puzzles
40. Complete the current Monthly achievements
41. Help your guild earn influence to unlock additional perks
42. Outrun a centaur
43. Charm all possible pets as a Ranger
44. Create an all-ranger guild called Team Rocket, lose constantly in sPvP
45. Collect all 101 types of cooking materials
46. Fill every collection slot in the bank with at least one item
47. Participate in World versus World
48. Help your world win in WvW
49. Defeat enough enemy players in WvW to complete the medal
50. Complete the awesome Yakslapper achievement in WvW
51. Complete all WvW achievements
52. Build and use all siege weapon types in WvW
53. Earn all possible WvW Titles
54. Play the organ in Caledon forest, and party with the Quaggan
55. Earn enough gold to purchase a Commander Tome
56. Visit the monument to Killeen and pay your respects
57. Defeat the Shatterer
58. Defeat the Claw of Jormag
59. Defeat Tequatl the Sunless
60. Add new friends to your friend’s list
61. Organize an in-game event for your guild
62. Complete every map in the game
63. Participate in meta events
64. Discover and participate in new dynamic events
65. Collect stacks of butter and butter prank your friends
66. Learn the ins and outs of the Trading Post
67. Get rich selling Globs of Ectoplasm
68. Buy a Box o’ Fun and throw a party in Lion’s Arch
69. Complete an armor set for your character’s Order
70. Read all of the books in Divinity's Reach
71. Read the story of how Ebonhawke was founded
72. Complete all possible weapon achievements for your character
73. Defeat the Champion of Grenth and purchase the exotic armor set
74. Write about your level 80 experience, have it published on GW2Hub
75. Purchase a set of armor from the guild armorsmith
76. Purchase a set of weapons from the guild weaponsmith
77. Complete all Slayer achievements
78. Complete the Lifetime Survivor achievement
79. Go skydiving in Arah after defeating Zhaitan
80. Have fun!

 

So according to the "experts" this is the list of different and fun things you are supposed to be able to do at lv 80.

I love how the 90% of it is :

 

-Grind for Gear

-Grind for achievements

-Grind for collect random crap

-Spam dungeons like crazy

 

But hey, it´s GW2, that automatically makes it  non-grind and fun apparently, even though any other game would be burned to death if they presented such a list as "endgame content"

I like the game, i have bought gems two times already to support it, and i will keep getting the expansions and whatever they throw at us because i enjoy the game, but it came to a moment where anything gw2 does is automatically holy and fun for no other reason that it´s gw2

And this is why i hate this game´s fanbois much more than i do hate the haters, despite the fact i do enjoy the game myself.

This is getting ridiculous.

 

 

Damn you beat me to it.  I was jsut getting ready to post this here.

 

Sad that the haters and detracters will still find fault no matter how much proof is shown them though.  Simply put, GW2 has tons of content and the legendary farming will take someone who doesnt powerlevel like me plenty of time to even begin let alone finish.

you dont even understant the spirit of the OP

Originally posted by papardelios

*snip some crap

you dont even understant the spirit of the OP

Is it because he's posting it wrong?

Pretty sure I'm pushing the limits at this point

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by Soandsoso

Everyone knows WoW has a grind.

 

Its the GW2 fans who said GW2 didn't have a grind which the OP has clearly pointed out they do.

 

The truth hurts sometimes, we know.

 

That's the major mischaracterization I see regarding "grind" and GW2 fan opinions of it. We don't say there's no grind. We say there's no mandatory grind. In WoW, for example (and my only relevant comparison), you raid to "progress", period. If you want to keep up you need to. In GW2 there's nothing required for you to do to stay "competitive" at max level.

There is nothing to be competitive about in raiding unless you choose to make it feel competitive. I raided in WoW for years and couldn't care less if another guild killed a boss before us. We still had our instanced version. Never understood this make belief competition I hear bantered around so much.

The only time I felt any type of competition in raiding was when I played EQ and all the raids were open world and the bosses were on a timer. And if you wanted to get the loot you had to rally the guild, get to the boss and kill it first. If you wiped tough luck, the next guild is there and waiting for their crack. If it was a NA guild and EU guild, then all types of buggery happened.

Originally posted by Soandsoso

Everyone knows WoW has a grind.

Its the GW2 fans who said GW2 didn't have a grind which the OP has clearly pointed out they do.

The truth hurts sometimes, we know.

There is no unified entity known as "the GW2 fans" who have a singular, uniform stance on grinding or, in fact, even the same definition of "grind."  A number of 15+ page threads on this very forum can illustrate this.  This is the single most common fallacy made on these forums: 

Person A makes claim X. 

Person B makes claim Y.

Both persons A and B are fans of the same game (GW2 in this example). 

GW2 fans are saying both X and Y, which is hypocrtical/contradictory!  Caught you!

In reality, various "GW2 fans" have held various positions on the matter, again, which is easily demonstrable by viewing past threads where GW2 fans debated each other about how the end game "grind" would feel (because that's what grind is, a feeling of repetitiveness.)  Something that feels grindy to one person may not to another.  Indeed, many of the items listed on this list won't feel grindy at all to many players.  And that's part of the beauty of GW2: you play the parts of the game you want, earn the same level rewards, and you're never forced to do anything you don't want to over and over again, aka grind. 

Originally posted by Homitu

Originally posted by Soandsoso

Everyone knows WoW has a grind.

Its the GW2 fans who said GW2 didn't have a grind which the OP has clearly pointed out they do.

The truth hurts sometimes, we know.

There is no unified entity known as "the GW2 fans" who have a singular, uniform stance on grinding or, in fact, even the same definition of "grind."  A number of 15+ page threads on this very forum can illustrate this.  This is the single most common fallacy made on these forums: 

Person A makes claim X. 

Person B makes claim Y.

Both persons A and B are fans of the same game (GW2 in this example). 

GW2 fans are saying both X and Y, which is hypocrtical/contradictory!  Caught you!

 

In reality, various "GW2 fans" have held various positions on the matter, again, which is easily demonstrable by viewing past threads where GW2 fans debated each other about how the end game "grind" would feel (because that's what grind is, a feeling of repetitiveness.)  Something that feels grindy to one person may not to another.  Indeed, many of the items listed on this list won't feel grindy at all to many players.  And that's part of the beauty of GW2: you play the parts of the game you want, earn the same level rewards, and you're never forced to do anything you don't want to over and over again, aka grind. 

If I would have said  "Its all the GW2 fans" then your point would be valid. But I didn't.

Originally posted by Soandsoso

There is nothing to be competitive about in raiding unless you choose to make it feel competitive. I raided in WoW for years and couldn't care less if another guild killed a boss before us. We still had our instanced version. Never understood this make belief competition I hear bantered around so much.

The only time I felt any type of competition in raiding was when I played EQ and all the raids were open world and the bosses were on a timer. And if you wanted to get the loot you had to rally the guild, get to the boss and kill it first. If you wiped tough luck, the next guild is there and waiting for their crack. If it was a NA guild and EU guild, then all types of buggery happened.

 

The competitiveness was in being geared enough to move your guild to the next raid tier. There was definitely a degree of competition in gearing my tank against the others tanks in the guild (in addition to simply being good at it). Two comparable tanks, the main tank job would go to the one with the best gear since they've have the greatest survivability. In a situation where if the tank dies you fail, that extra point or two on those damnable meters mattered.

Sigh... I don't miss that. Sorrows Embrace yesterday, I asked the guild. Four others wanted to go, so we partied up, we went and we did it. No gear score checks, no "assignments", no waiting for a healer to log on or trying to get someone to change to their healer... we grabbed five and went.

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by Soandsoso

There is nothing to be competitive about in raiding unless you choose to make it feel competitive. I raided in WoW for years and couldn't care less if another guild killed a boss before us. We still had our instanced version. Never understood this make belief competition I hear bantered around so much.

The only time I felt any type of competition in raiding was when I played EQ and all the raids were open world and the bosses were on a timer. And if you wanted to get the loot you had to rally the guild, get to the boss and kill it first. If you wiped tough luck, the next guild is there and waiting for their crack. If it was a NA guild and EU guild, then all types of buggery happened.

 

The competitiveness was in being geared enough to move your guild to the next raid tier. There was definitely a degree of competition in gearing my tank against the others tanks in the guild (in addition to simply being good at it). Two comparable tanks, the main tank job would go to the one with the best gear since they've have the greatest survivability. In a situation where if the tank dies you fail, that extra point or two on those damnable meters mattered.

 

Sigh... I don't miss that. Sorrows Embrace yesterday, I asked the guild. Four others wanted to go, so we partied up, we went and we did it. No gear score checks, no "assignments", no waiting for a healer to log on or trying to get someone to change to their healer... we grabbed five and went.

I stopped at the second sentence because in the guilds I have been in we made sure everyone was geared for the roles they wanted to perform so we all could progress as a guild. If your guild promotes individuals competing for gear vs everyone working together then I would find a guild with a different guild structure. The latter will breed resentment and cause fighting over loot. If everyone shares in gearing up each other it breeds teamwork and unity.

Originally posted by ShakyMo
These "no endgame" people, what they really mean is "waaaagh no raids"

Well boo hoo, excuse me while I produce the worlds smallest violin. A million and one raid grinding mmos ~> that a way

+1

Well this thread has gone on long enough with out a definition war I'll try and start one. 

If you define grind as a repetative task then yes there are repeative tasks in GW2 and in fact most MMOs. I'll even claim in most video games in general, hell in life there are repeative task. The "daily grind" was around long before video games (around the time Roman Empire fell) .

But I can claim, for me, no real grind in GW2 if I define grind as someting that I have to do but don't want to remain competative or open up other content in the game. So, I have to perform this job to do other things in the game to have fun. Some of you don't get that feeling from raids, you love them, and good on you but that is my feeling in a raid oriented game. I must raid (grind) to open up other things to do to have fun. Not everyone feels this way of course but GW2 was certainly designed for someone like me - so good for me :)

Originally posted by Soandsoso

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by Soandsoso

There is nothing to be competitive about in raiding unless you choose to make it feel competitive. I raided in WoW for years and couldn't care less if another guild killed a boss before us. We still had our instanced version. Never understood this make belief competition I hear bantered around so much.

The only time I felt any type of competition in raiding was when I played EQ and all the raids were open world and the bosses were on a timer. And if you wanted to get the loot you had to rally the guild, get to the boss and kill it first. If you wiped tough luck, the next guild is there and waiting for their crack. If it was a NA guild and EU guild, then all types of buggery happened.

 

The competitiveness was in being geared enough to move your guild to the next raid tier. There was definitely a degree of competition in gearing my tank against the others tanks in the guild (in addition to simply being good at it). Two comparable tanks, the main tank job would go to the one with the best gear since they've have the greatest survivability. In a situation where if the tank dies you fail, that extra point or two on those damnable meters mattered.

 

Sigh... I don't miss that. Sorrows Embrace yesterday, I asked the guild. Four others wanted to go, so we partied up, we went and we did it. No gear score checks, no "assignments", no waiting for a healer to log on or trying to get someone to change to their healer... we grabbed five and went.

I stopped at the second sentence because in the guilds I have been in we made sure everyone was geared for the roles they wanted to perform so we all could progress as a guild. If your guild promotes individuals competing for gear vs everyone working together then I would find a guild with a different guild structure. The latter will breed resentment and cause fighting over loot. If everyone shares in gearing up each other it breeds teamwork and unity.

They were a good guild, they just didn't completely hold your hand and bottle feed you to full raid gear. But, that's in the past anyhow... quit WoW right before Cataclysm. Just couldn't do the grind thing anymore. Not that kind of grind at least... the second job type. It wasn't fun anymore, just necessary to maximize my "play".

Originally posted by IfrianMMO 

So according to the "experts" this is the list of different and fun things you are supposed to be able to do at lv 80.

I love how the 90% of it is :

 

-Grind for Gear

-Grind for achievements

-Grind for collect random crap

-Spam dungeons like crazy

 

 

 

Welcome to the MMORPG genre.

Originally posted by Soandsoso

Originally posted by Homitu

Originally posted by Soandsoso

Everyone knows WoW has a grind.

Its the GW2 fans who said GW2 didn't have a grind which the OP has clearly pointed out they do.

The truth hurts sometimes, we know.

There is no unified entity known as "the GW2 fans" who have a singular, uniform stance on grinding or, in fact, even the same definition of "grind."  A number of 15+ page threads on this very forum can illustrate this.  This is the single most common fallacy made on these forums: 

Person A makes claim X. 

Person B makes claim Y.

Both persons A and B are fans of the same game (GW2 in this example). 

GW2 fans are saying both X and Y, which is hypocrtical/contradictory!  Caught you!

 

In reality, various "GW2 fans" have held various positions on the matter, again, which is easily demonstrable by viewing past threads where GW2 fans debated each other about how the end game "grind" would feel (because that's what grind is, a feeling of repetitiveness.)  Something that feels grindy to one person may not to another.  Indeed, many of the items listed on this list won't feel grindy at all to many players.  And that's part of the beauty of GW2: you play the parts of the game you want, earn the same level rewards, and you're never forced to do anything you don't want to over and over again, aka grind. 

If I would have said  "Its all the GW2 fans" then your point would be valid. But I didn't.

"It's the GW2 fans" implies all fans and you know it.  When someone says "WoW fans" or "Red Sox fans" or "Tolkien fans" there is not an implied "some" before each of them.  It's basic language we all use and isn't subject to misinterpretation.  They are universally statements of generalization.  Don't try to pretend otherwise now. 

Originally posted by Homitu

Originally posted by Soandsoso

Originally posted by Homitu

Originally posted by Soandsoso

Everyone knows WoW has a grind.

Its the GW2 fans who said GW2 didn't have a grind which the OP has clearly pointed out they do.

The truth hurts sometimes, we know.

There is no unified entity known as "the GW2 fans" who have a singular, uniform stance on grinding or, in fact, even the same definition of "grind."  A number of 15+ page threads on this very forum can illustrate this.  This is the single most common fallacy made on these forums: 

Person A makes claim X. 

Person B makes claim Y.

Both persons A and B are fans of the same game (GW2 in this example). 

GW2 fans are saying both X and Y, which is hypocrtical/contradictory!  Caught you!

 

In reality, various "GW2 fans" have held various positions on the matter, again, which is easily demonstrable by viewing past threads where GW2 fans debated each other about how the end game "grind" would feel (because that's what grind is, a feeling of repetitiveness.)  Something that feels grindy to one person may not to another.  Indeed, many of the items listed on this list won't feel grindy at all to many players.  And that's part of the beauty of GW2: you play the parts of the game you want, earn the same level rewards, and you're never forced to do anything you don't want to over and over again, aka grind. 

If I would have said  "Its all the GW2 fans" then your point would be valid. But I didn't.

"It's the GW2 fans" implies all fans and you know it.  When someone says "WoW fans" or "Red Sox fans" or "Tolkien fans" there is not an implied "some" before each of them.  It's basic language we all use and isn't subject to misinterpretation.  They are universally statements of generalization.  Don't try to pretend otherwise now. 

Its the GW2 fans could also be..."Its the GW fans that think there is no grind".......

You are reading it how you want to read it.

Originally posted by WhiteLantern

Originally posted by Tardcore

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by f0dell54

Originally posted by BadSpock

Like in UO, you know what I was doing before I was 7X GM?

The same stuff I was doing after I was 7X GM.

It is "different" than most other themepark MMOs in that sense, but not unique to GW2 and actually quite common in the sandbox sub-genre.

Again I think this list was put together to combat the "nothing to do at 80" crowd, not put together to tout how "revolutionary and different GW2 end-game is" because it's really not - it's just different then a lot of themepark MMOs.

Macroing before 7X GM

Not macroing after 7X GM

GW2= Nothing like UO in any sense of the meaning.

Some of us actually didn't macro in UO. Some of us actually played and enjoyed the game.

And post Trammel/Felucca split UO pre-LBR is more similar in design philosophy and "feel" to GW2 than GW2 is similar to any EQ/WoW/Post-Wow themepark.

But that's off topic.

The list is dumb - but I believe was just made to show the obvious logical flaws in the "there is nothing to do at 80" comments we keep seeing.

No, there is no raiding and gear treadmill, but there is plenty to do at 80.

Ya'll need to lighten up!

Well yeah I see the point, but it doesn't help much to those who got bored during the climb to level cap.

I see it kind of like how it ends up for people in those damned endgame raid MMOs that reach cap but don't like raiding.

DUDE 1: "WOOT! Made it to level cap! What now guys!?"

RAID DUDES: "You can join us and RAID!!!"

DUDE 1: "Oh . . . I don't like raiding."

RAID DUDES: "Well you can FUCK OFF then!"

DUDE1: "sigh"

 

 

I'm going to come clean here and say that beacsue this^ has been my experience (as Dude1), I do actually prefer the horizontal, go-back-and-do-what-you-missed movement of GW2. Which is to say "I hate endgame (raiding especially)".

EXACTLY.

Originally posted by mbolme
I honestly don't understand the issue. If you don't like the game, stop playing. It was designed in a particular way, and the entire game seems to me to be built to a consistent philosophy. (Do what you want - we won't stop you.) I love it and will play it a long time. If you don't, find a game you like and play that.

Again.....EXACTLY.

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by papardelios

Originally posted by krakra70

Here's my list:

1-80: Start looking for an MMO with actual endgame.

ahahaha agree 100%  :)

Funny thing is the "actual" end game is the same as this list in all mmorpgs. Grind for gear. Grind for titles. Grind for rankings.

And by all you mean most themepark MMORPGs.

Yeah, cause there is NEVER any grinding in Sandbox MMOs....

Well, to be fair, sandbox MMORPG's are different- instead of playing for some amount of time before grinding, you get to start grinding as soon as you get in the game.