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General Discussion  » Feral Fanbois are hurting GW2 more than "Haters" ever could...

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  Nikkita

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Joined: 11/25/10
Posts: 830

9/12/12 10:53:54 AM#121
Originally posted by SteeJanz
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by BadSpock

 

Huh? haters can only be negative? what if a so called hater is giving a genuine criticism? i would say that is positive for the game. You are still failing to see both sides of the coin and focusing only one side.

Both haters and fans are capable of being positive and negative. 

And be my guest to tell these people who keep telling others how to enjoy the game or make topics like 'GW2 is overwhelming success so people who dislike it are just mad or jealous with its success ' that they are not fans. Would be interesting to see what they have to say about it.

I really mean this in the nicest way but your reply is ignorant.  In your attempt to argue with BadSpock you are missing his point.  A Hater will not give a genuine criticism.   Haters are not capable of being positive, just like a Fanboy will not be able to recognize a genuine criticism in which BadSpock has pointed out. 

Of course all of this is "IMO", which make anything I say ok. 

A hater is not a hater just because he gives a negative criticism the label comes after wards. But before calling me ignorant i would like to ask you in nicest way possible what the hell you have been doing on these forums if you didn't even notice a simple thing that often anyone who gives valid criticism is simple dismissed as a hater or a troll?.


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  Amjoco

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Posts: 4106

9/12/12 10:54:16 AM#122
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by BadSpock

Fanboi or hater - which is truly more destructive?

The hater. Why?

Negativity is toxic, and will always bring out the worst in people.

Sure, the fanboi may be ignorant, they may be "high" on hype, they may be misinformed or exxagerating through their rose-colored glasses...

But who does positivity hurt? Who does their happiness and joy hurt?

No one.

Except the hater.

 

Fanboi or hater - which is truly more destructive?

The fanboi. Why?

Obnoxious and condscending attitude is toxic, and will always bring out the worst in people.

Sure, the haters may be ignorant, they may be "disgusted" by hype, they may be misinformed or exxagerating through their frustration and jaded outlok.

But who does this 'you don't get it' and 'you are doing it wrong' attitude hurt? Who does their obnoxious attitude hurts?

No one.

Except the fanboi.

 

It is all matter of prespective and which side of fence you are standing on. So before you call OP wrong i thought i would balance the scales here.

It's a game.

Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

  Fadedbomb

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Joined: 5/19/06
Posts: 2149

 
OP  9/12/12 10:54:47 AM#123
Originally posted by Flaming_MMO
Originally posted by Nikkita

I am fan of GW2 not a fanatic.

But fan is short for fanatic, unless you are saying you move air around.  I see what you are trying to say though.

If you're using the "Direct" definition of Fan which is Fanatic then yes. However, that is nothing but semantics.

 

Why must you poke the dragon with a sharp stick in the eye ;)?

The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.

  Fadedbomb

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Joined: 5/19/06
Posts: 2149

 
OP  9/12/12 10:57:07 AM#124
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by SteeJanz
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by BadSpock

 

Huh? haters can only be negative? what if a so called hater is giving a genuine criticism? i would say that is positive for the game. You are still failing to see both sides of the coin and focusing only one side.

Both haters and fans are capable of being positive and negative. 

And be my guest to tell these people who keep telling others how to enjoy the game or make topics like 'GW2 is overwhelming success so people who dislike it are just mad or jealous with its success ' that they are not fans. Would be interesting to see what they have to say about it.

I really mean this in the nicest way but your reply is ignorant.  In your attempt to argue with BadSpock you are missing his point.  A Hater will not give a genuine criticism.   Haters are not capable of being positive, just like a Fanboy will not be able to recognize a genuine criticism in which BadSpock has pointed out. 

Of course all of this is "IMO", which make anything I say ok. 

A hater is not a hater just because he gives a negative criticism the label comes after wards. But before calling me ignorant i would like to ask you in nicest way possible what the hell you have been doing on these forums if you didn't even notice a simple thing that often anyone who gives valid criticism is simple dismissed as a hater or a troll?.

I don't think he was making a valid point, but more than likely he was simply trying to shut down your response and dismiss it.

In my opinion BadSpock was wrong in what he said on both replies, but i've already responded to those so I won't repeat them here.

Regardless, I believe SteeJanz is the one who is being ignorant here. He ignores the falacies BadSpock puts forth without getting the "point" of why "Hater" is thrown about so willy-nilly without even a coherant reply as to why they're being labeled as such.

The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.

  dageeza

Novice Member

Joined: 8/14/04
Posts: 580

9/12/12 10:57:10 AM#125

Thats all i see is the many hundreds of different happy gamers i have the pleasure of playing with in game everyday in a game to where no 2 characters look exactly alike and the action and fun is as slow or fast, hard or easy as you want it to be..

To me personally GW2 is the greatest game ever made and i just cant get enough of it and i am way far from being alone here..

Playing GW2..

  BeansnBread

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Joined: 9/19/06
Posts: 5562

9/12/12 10:58:05 AM#126
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by BadSpock

No, someone who is positive and giving constructive criticism is NOT a hater.

It's so damned rare on MMORPG.com it's no surprise people have no idea what that looks like lol

And of course over-zealous fans are still fans, but the "fanboi" moniker is a negative one for a reason - they are still generating hate with their combative attitudes.

Hence why I said "if they fanbois are positive" but that means they aren't really "fanbois" they are just fans?

Just arguing semantics at this point - which is pointless.

But the jist of it is that positivity is never worse than negativity.

So I guess in that sense the OP is kind of right, the "feral" fanboi who is negative is not worse than the hater, they are just as bad.

But pointing that out and making a whole thread about it is a waste of time and does NOTHING but create further negativity and fan the flames, adding to the problem.

 I don't agree at all. I see plenty here that bring up valid points, issues, or debates.Just as I do on the positive spectrum. Many times they do simply get dismissed as haters. Are there there plenty just looking to get a rise as well? Of course...

Still I see valid discussions being made all the time here about the positives and negatives. Simply have to wear some hip waders at times.

But it is a message board so frankly should be expected.

The issue at hand currently though is that almost no form of "positive criticism" is accepted on these forums anymore. The moment you point out one flaw you get attacked as a "hater" and "troll".

Another issue is that almost no form of "positive praise" is accepted on these forums anymore. The moment you point out something that you like about the game, you get attacked for being a "fanboi" or being "feral."

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Nikkita

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Joined: 11/25/10
Posts: 830

9/12/12 10:58:09 AM#127
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by BadSpock

Fanboi or hater - which is truly more destructive?

The hater. Why?

Negativity is toxic, and will always bring out the worst in people.

Sure, the fanboi may be ignorant, they may be "high" on hype, they may be misinformed or exxagerating through their rose-colored glasses...

But who does positivity hurt? Who does their happiness and joy hurt?

No one.

Except the hater.

 

Fanboi or hater - which is truly more destructive?

The fanboi. Why?

Obnoxious and condscending attitude is toxic, and will always bring out the worst in people.

Sure, the haters may be ignorant, they may be "disgusted" by hype, they may be misinformed or exxagerating through their frustration and jaded outlok.

But who does this 'you don't get it' and 'you are doing it wrong' attitude hurt? Who does their obnoxious attitude hurts?

No one.

Except the fanboi.

 

It is all matter of prespective and which side of fence you are standing on. So before you call OP wrong i thought i would balance the scales here.

It's a game.

i think Badspock also needs to hear this as much as i do.


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  Wickedjelly

Novice Member

Joined: 4/19/09
Posts: 5064

The Dude abides

9/12/12 10:59:02 AM#128
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

The issue at hand currently though is that almost no form of "positive criticism" is accepted on these forums anymore. The moment you point out one flaw you get attacked as a "hater" and "troll".

If I see a horrible flaw I'll say it outright and to the point what I feel that it is. I've even had people in the past claim I was claiming 100% facts when they were merely strong opinions based on experiences I've had with that specific topic.

I almost don't see a point in posting on these forums anymore when ANY differing opinion is treated as an instant /ignore. It's almost depressing.

 They seem the same to me. I've been called a fanboy or hater pending on the topic at hand with mmos by those gems since...well I've been going to forums for mmos.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Nikkita

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Joined: 11/25/10
Posts: 830

9/12/12 11:01:16 AM#129
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by BadSpock

No, someone who is positive and giving constructive criticism is NOT a hater.

It's so damned rare on MMORPG.com it's no surprise people have no idea what that looks like lol

And of course over-zealous fans are still fans, but the "fanboi" moniker is a negative one for a reason - they are still generating hate with their combative attitudes.

Hence why I said "if they fanbois are positive" but that means they aren't really "fanbois" they are just fans?

Just arguing semantics at this point - which is pointless.

But the jist of it is that positivity is never worse than negativity.

So I guess in that sense the OP is kind of right, the "feral" fanboi who is negative is not worse than the hater, they are just as bad.

But pointing that out and making a whole thread about it is a waste of time and does NOTHING but create further negativity and fan the flames, adding to the problem.

 I don't agree at all. I see plenty here that bring up valid points, issues, or debates.Just as I do on the positive spectrum. Many times they do simply get dismissed as haters. Are there there plenty just looking to get a rise as well? Of course...

Still I see valid discussions being made all the time here about the positives and negatives. Simply have to wear some hip waders at times.

But it is a message board so frankly should be expected.

The issue at hand currently though is that almost no form of "positive criticism" is accepted on these forums anymore. The moment you point out one flaw you get attacked as a "hater" and "troll".

Another issue is that almost no form of "positive praise" is accepted on these forums anymore. The moment you point out something that you like about the game, you get attacked for being a "fanboi" or being "feral."

I don't remember when was the last time people praised GW2 without putting others down...i am actually looking for such a topic right now which was only limited to talking good about GW2 without being condscending and smug about it.

If i find such a topic i will let you know.


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  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6638

Gaming should be about fun, not gender equality.

9/12/12 11:02:01 AM#130
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Only people not interested in playing a game in the first place will care about fanboys or not.

It is also extremely easy to avoid fanboys - just avoid forums.

Like it is easy to avoid haters - just avoid forums.

Normal players don't go to forums.

 

And everything in software that ins't human input is scripted - it is the nature of the beast. Ascript can have more random variables or less random variables but still, unless there is a bug, the results are always predictable.

Normal gamers dont go to forums? Yeah because it is so abnormal to go to an internet forum to discuss your hobby 

Casual gamers might not go to a forum but that is not the same as normal.

Regarding the OP, I agree. Fanatical fanboyism who does everything to attack people with criticism to the game is one of the worst thing for evolving not only the game but also the genre.

  StanlyStanko

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9/12/12 11:02:18 AM#131
Feral. Good word.
  Fadedbomb

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Joined: 5/19/06
Posts: 2149

 
OP  9/12/12 11:03:59 AM#132
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

The issue at hand currently though is that almost no form of "positive criticism" is accepted on these forums anymore. The moment you point out one flaw you get attacked as a "hater" and "troll".

If I see a horrible flaw I'll say it outright and to the point what I feel that it is. I've even had people in the past claim I was claiming 100% facts when they were merely strong opinions based on experiences I've had with that specific topic.

I almost don't see a point in posting on these forums anymore when ANY differing opinion is treated as an instant /ignore. It's almost depressing.

 They seem the same to me. I've been called a fanboy or hater pending on the topic at hand with mmos by those gems since...well I've been going to forums for mmos.

My problem is that threads such as "Best Game Ever" that give no valid points or criticisms, and in general are horribly subjective get treated with little due thought. These are what is called a "Fanatic's" thread.

Then you get arogent children who make threads like "Worse game i've ever played" that are equally as bad but on the opposite end of the spectrum. These are called "Hater" threads.

 

These two types of threads NEED to be shutdown and called out for what they really are as they are toxic. However, my problem is when someone makes a valid, drawn-out, criticism, and is then labeled a "Hater" or "Troll" only to be agreed with months later (has happend to me more times than I can recount now).

It's getting old.

The Theory of Conservative Conservation of Ignorant Stupidity:
Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.

  Amjoco

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Joined: 9/15/10
Posts: 4106

9/12/12 11:04:00 AM#133
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by BadSpock

Fanboi or hater - which is truly more destructive?

The hater. Why?

Negativity is toxic, and will always bring out the worst in people.

Sure, the fanboi may be ignorant, they may be "high" on hype, they may be misinformed or exxagerating through their rose-colored glasses...

But who does positivity hurt? Who does their happiness and joy hurt?

No one.

Except the hater.

 

Fanboi or hater - which is truly more destructive?

The fanboi. Why?

Obnoxious and condscending attitude is toxic, and will always bring out the worst in people.

Sure, the haters may be ignorant, they may be "disgusted" by hype, they may be misinformed or exxagerating through their frustration and jaded outlok.

But who does this 'you don't get it' and 'you are doing it wrong' attitude hurt? Who does their obnoxious attitude hurts?

No one.

Except the fanboi.

 

It is all matter of prespective and which side of fence you are standing on. So before you call OP wrong i thought i would balance the scales here.

It's a game.

i think Badspock also needs to hear this as much as i do.

I think we all do. ;)

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  SteeJanz

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9/12/12 11:04:59 AM#134
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by SteeJanz
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by BadSpock

 

Huh? haters can only be negative? what if a so called hater is giving a genuine criticism? i would say that is positive for the game. You are still failing to see both sides of the coin and focusing only one side.

Both haters and fans are capable of being positive and negative. 

And be my guest to tell these people who keep telling others how to enjoy the game or make topics like 'GW2 is overwhelming success so people who dislike it are just mad or jealous with its success ' that they are not fans. Would be interesting to see what they have to say about it.

I really mean this in the nicest way but your reply is ignorant.  In your attempt to argue with BadSpock you are missing his point.  A Hater will not give a genuine criticism.   Haters are not capable of being positive, just like a Fanboy will not be able to recognize a genuine criticism in which BadSpock has pointed out. 

Of course all of this is "IMO", which make anything I say ok. 

A hater is not a hater just because he gives a negative criticism the label comes after wards. But before calling me ignorant i would like to ask you in nicest way possible what the hell you have been doing on these forums if you didn't even notice a simple thing that often anyone who gives valid criticism is simple dismissed as a hater or a troll?.

Well maybe I have rose colored glasses but I don't see everyone one that posts criticism as hater and I refuse to let other posters decide for me who is or who is not a hater.   The oversimplicification of labeling that you are doing is your problem not mine.  IMO, a hater is not someone that critizes a game.  A hater would be someone that misinforms others about the game or constantly makes threads bashing a particular game, or constantly posts negative comments in positive threads, etc...  It's a body of work type of thing instead of they posted this once type of thing. 

If you want to label everyone that has a positive thing to say about a game as a Fanboy and anyone that makes a negative comment about a game a hater, then go ahead.  Whatever honks your hooter.  However, I refuse to agree with you. 

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  BadSpock

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9/12/12 11:05:25 AM#135
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

The issue at hand currently though is that almost no form of "positive criticism" is accepted on these forums anymore. The moment you point out one flaw you get attacked as a "hater" and "troll".

Another issue is that almost no form of "positive praise" is accepted on these forums anymore. The moment you point out something that you like about the game, you get attacked for being a "fanboi" or being "feral."

I haven't seen truly constructive / positive criticism on this site in a long, long time. It is one of "the" hardest things to do especially in the medium of text-only communication. It's no suprise it is so damned rare on MMORPG.com.

Even the people who THINK they are being constructive and not negative (sorry like you Faded) generally still come off as arrogant, negative, and combative simple by the fact that is how their text reads to many (even if it is completely unintentional.)

Colddog04 is 100% correct as well - the door swings both ways.

 

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  truthhurts

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9/12/12 11:06:03 AM#136
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

To be fair, I'm more worried about the overall opinion of the GW2 community 

no you arent, you are more worried about spreading your light blue text around, creating a commotion, and causing long threads like this.

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9/12/12 11:06:51 AM#137

Only a fool would look at this site and suggest that it's anything more than a bulletin board of advertising.   Just look all over it... buy this, try this, new this, revamped that... they are here soley to make a penny or two off of each and every one of you posting here.  Doesn't really matter what you say here... they're getting paid either way.  THAT'S ALL THIS SITE IS FOR.

  Fadedbomb

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OP  9/12/12 11:06:57 AM#138
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Feral. Good word.

I got tired of using Fanboy, and figured i'd attract more fire. Unfortunately I still used it in my OP. The word urks me to use, but I can't seem to escape it :(.

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  BadSpock

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9/12/12 11:07:24 AM#139
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by Amjoco

It's a game.

i think Badspock also needs to hear this as much as i do.

I think we all do. ;)

The forums are the most epic game of all.

Sometimes when we think it's "obvious" people are IRL emotionally effected by forum conversations, they are not.

Gaming is a passionate subject for many, and "in some ways emotion runs deeper in the Vulcan race than in the humans."

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  BadSpock

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9/12/12 11:08:26 AM#140
Originally posted by truthhurts
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

To be fair, I'm more worried about the overall opinion of the GW2 community 

no you arent, you are more worried about spreading your light blue text around, creating a commotion, and causing long threads like this.

The duty of a "Spotlight Poster" apparently.

 

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