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General Discussion  » Feral Fanbois are hurting GW2 more than "Haters" ever could...

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  Gaia_Hunter

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Posts: 2668

9/12/12 9:17:57 AM#41

How about that guy that the other day was in Desolation asking if this game was dead yet?

There was a good general laugh at him/her, as he/she went on saying anet had to halt sales cause they couldn't sell the game, etc.

General hater speech.

Interestingly there was some 100 people killing tequatl...

 

So now you like GW2 a bit more? :)

Currently playing: GW2
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  Nadia

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9/12/12 9:20:09 AM#42
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Actually in RIFT people complained about how "static" Rifts actually were and got a general response of "well it's better than WoW" rather than being flamed.

i saw plenty of "go back to WOW" statements in RIFT - to people disliking RIFTs

the other games i didnt try; so no comment

 

some players like to bash games they used to play

  Nikkita

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9/12/12 9:20:52 AM#43
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by BadSpock

Threads like THIS need to stop - this is nonsense.

I'm sorry people are happy/excited about a new game, I'm sorry other people are not.

Who are you to tell people to stop being happy or to stop being upset?

 

This is the forums - your post does nothing. NOTHING. This kind of thing happens every day, every week, every month and with every new game ever released.

Welcome to MMORPG.com, as a "Spotlight Poster" you should be concerned with creating relevant discussion not padding your post count with this nonsense.

No one cares and if you are truly so concerned about the reputation and "feelings" of GW2 and people "hurting" the game, you wouldn't post this troll bait nonsense and CONTINUE adding to the problem, not doing anything to help "fix" it (but that is all you apparently are capable of posting.)

 

The real solution? Ignoring threads like this. Talking about the GAME on the game's specific forums not talking about the forums themselves or players or reputation or whatever other nonsense garbage is filling up this website.

I've been on MMORPG.com for a long, long time. This community has become ridiculous where a post like this and a poster like this could be "Spotlighted" for this kind of nonsensical drivel.

Let's talk about games and what we like/dislike about them in a civil, constructive, friendly manner.

Let's stop talking about gamers and forums and talk about the GAMES.

You say nothing when people spam the forum with "Why are people so angry about the 'Success' of GW2?" when it is utterly subjective & is essentially baiting anti-fanbois.

You say nothing when people are outright flaming others for having bad experiences in GW2, and then asking questions about specific mechanics (ie: Dynamic Events not being Dynamic).

Then when someone makes a thread asking everyone to calm down you outright attack them?

 

Hypocrisy much?

Also, to say that this sort of over-hyped fanboism is "normal" for this forum is disingenuous at best. Even when SWTOR was about to release it was never this bad from my perspective. Was your post REALLY needed?

It is about keeping the status quo. Even though Badspock is trying appear objective and fair he is not. he will never mention the other side of the coin. When sad truth of forums is that fans of GW2 are making more flaming topics than the haters itself.

It is as if they are addicted to poking fans of other MMOS just for the laughs.


Bite Me

  Fadedbomb

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Joined: 5/19/06
Posts: 2149

 
OP  9/12/12 9:21:49 AM#44
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Dude got flamed in map chat about how DE's weren't "Dynamic". I mean, that's not something subjective at all like saying "this game sucks". I'd understand completely if the latter statement had been made, but when you state something specific about a mechanic and people go nuts on you it feels a bit weird when it's in-game as opposed to a forum.

claiming DEs are not dynamic is just as subjective as saying this game sucks

 

both are negative statements and will cause a fuss

 

sub·jec·tive:

Adjective: "Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions."

 

Claiming DE's aren't "Dynamic" is not subjective. Dynamic means it changes based on user interaction, and the outcome is different than the last interaction. DE's literally repeat over and over, and generally only have two outcomes that are directly linear scripted events. If the centaurs win camp X becomes centaur controlled. A "DE" then starts after Y amount of time so players can retake said camp. Event Z for camp X will then repeat over and over only giving camp X a win/loss outcome.

 

Go to Kessex Hills and do the event-chain of centaurs. It constantly repeats in a circle from Bridge-Fights -> Centaur Camp -> Centaur Lord over and over and over with zero impact or alternative outcome. The "off-shoot" tower camp to the west comes on as an alternative to the bridge over a given set amount of time, and not based on any other event other than maybe hearts being completed around it in order to trigger it (ie: 5-10 people complete hearts, and then that event spawns).

 

This is NOT Dynamic at all, it is linear scripting with 2-3 outcomes that never change.

 

 

Something "Subjective" would be saying GW2's PVE is the best of any MMO that has ever released.

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  MikeJezZ

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Joined: 7/08/04
Posts: 1199

Only in death, does duty end.

9/12/12 9:21:56 AM#45
Why even care? Why even feed the messiah followers or the bashing idiots with these threads?

I like gw2 and I don't care if someone on the web agrees or not. It doesn't affect my game in anyway.

This forum has turned to a shithole. No threads are made for discussing the game. No, it's another thread about the same shit.

"gw2 fans are fanboys" "haters gonna hate".

Jesus. Get on with your lives with or without gw2 and talk about the game instead of everything else.

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  Slampig

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Joined: 12/29/03
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Whatever you do, do NOT speak ill of Asheron's Call 2...

9/12/12 9:22:11 AM#46
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

I don't know where these Feral Fanbois are coming from as I never had to deal with them this badly for even SWTOR. Quite frankly, I've been surprised to see all over these forums about how people are annoyed if not almost completely turned off by the rabid flaming of anything non-GW2, and how GW2 is being pushed to new heights of outlandish fanboism. It is REALLY pissing off normal GW2 fans, because when you rabidly fanboy all over GW2 you make the normal players whom are just trying to enjoy the game look bad, or at least that's how i've been reading they feel?

Now, I'll say this to put it out there. I'm not a "Fan" of GW2, but I did purchase it for $60, and do believe it is one of the best themeparks I've played. However, I know what GW2 is, and is not. So I won't go any further with it than that.

 

From my experience with previously overhyped titles I've had to deal with people calling me a "Hater" and an outright "Troll" because I said things like SWTOR being horribly linear, zero replayability, sub-par end-game, and a host of other straight-to-the-point statements. Ironically months later I see everything I was saying pre-release echoed throughout these forums.

 

Then, for GW2, I was flamed outright for calling "Dynamic Events" NOT "Dynamic" and more akin to static repeated branching SCRIPTED events. Not only was I flamed, but I experienced something I hadn't before with SWTOR. I was actually being contacted off this site by my personal email being asked to stop "Spouting nonsense you have no clue about" with regards to GW2 (I didn't even know my personal email was listed under my profile on here?).

 

Regardless, albeit longer than I originally wanted, my point is that you NEED to stop going crazy with this over-the-top fanboism. You're making the normal players who're just trying to enjoy GW2 for what it is, and you're hurting GW2 as a whole in the long term.

 

Please :(

Good luck with that... Seems there is no stopping these people...

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  Amjoco

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9/12/12 9:22:22 AM#47
It's a game.

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  Wickedjelly

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Posts: 5064

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9/12/12 9:22:49 AM#48
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Actually in RIFT people complained about how "static" Rifts actually were and got a general response of "well it's better than WoW" rather than being flamed.

In TERA when people complained about the linear nature of leveling via quests you got back "Well the combat is a lot more fun than previous MMOs!".

In Aion when people complained about how flying was temporary fluff because it had a timer on it, and you couldn't fly in MOST of the game (including dungeons) you got back comments like "Well wait until end-game when you can fly around tons in pvp!".

In GW2 when people complain about DE's being non-Dynamic you get "Go back to WoW you damn troll!", or "You have no idea what you're talking about, get out of /map or stop playing!".

 

 

 That wasn't my experience in Rift or Aion at all. It usually ended up in a flame fest. Although Rift was a lot better than Aion.

Aion was simply awful after launch. I think the only thing players for the most part were unified about was the spam and bot issues that were occurring.

Never played TERA.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  User Deleted
9/12/12 9:23:25 AM#49
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Fadedbomb    <==  

you're hurting GW2 as a whole in the long term.

 i engage in forum debates like everyone else

it has never detracted from what game i choose and why i like it

 

the only thing people w strong opinions may affect are people wanting to participate at this site

- and even that is questionable

    @  Nadia

  Loktofeit

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Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ArcheAge, and Combat Arms

9/12/12 9:25:17 AM#50
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Only people not interested in playing a game in the first place will care about fanboys or not.

It is also extremely easy to avoid fanboys - just avoid forums.

Like it is easy to avoid haters - just avoid forums.

Normal players don't go to forums.

 

And everything in software that ins't human input is scripted - it is the nature of the beast. Ascript can have more random variables or less random variables but still, unless there is a bug, the results are always predictable.

A++ EXCELLENT POST. WILL READ AGAIN.

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  Fadedbomb

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Joined: 5/19/06
Posts: 2149

 
OP  9/12/12 9:26:00 AM#51
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by BadSpock

Threads like THIS need to stop - this is nonsense.

I'm sorry people are happy/excited about a new game, I'm sorry other people are not.

Who are you to tell people to stop being happy or to stop being upset?

 

This is the forums - your post does nothing. NOTHING. This kind of thing happens every day, every week, every month and with every new game ever released.

Welcome to MMORPG.com, as a "Spotlight Poster" you should be concerned with creating relevant discussion not padding your post count with this nonsense.

No one cares and if you are truly so concerned about the reputation and "feelings" of GW2 and people "hurting" the game, you wouldn't post this troll bait nonsense and CONTINUE adding to the problem, not doing anything to help "fix" it (but that is all you apparently are capable of posting.)

 

The real solution? Ignoring threads like this. Talking about the GAME on the game's specific forums not talking about the forums themselves or players or reputation or whatever other nonsense garbage is filling up this website.

I've been on MMORPG.com for a long, long time. This community has become ridiculous where a post like this and a poster like this could be "Spotlighted" for this kind of nonsensical drivel.

Let's talk about games and what we like/dislike about them in a civil, constructive, friendly manner.

Let's stop talking about gamers and forums and talk about the GAMES.

You say nothing when people spam the forum with "Why are people so angry about the 'Success' of GW2?" when it is utterly subjective & is essentially baiting anti-fanbois.

You say nothing when people are outright flaming others for having bad experiences in GW2, and then asking questions about specific mechanics (ie: Dynamic Events not being Dynamic).

Then when someone makes a thread asking everyone to calm down you outright attack them?

 

Hypocrisy much?

Also, to say that this sort of over-hyped fanboism is "normal" for this forum is disingenuous at best. Even when SWTOR was about to release it was never this bad from my perspective. Was your post REALLY needed?

It is about keeping the status quo. Even though Badspock is trying appear objective and fair he is not. he will never mention the other side of the coin. When sad truth of forums is that fans of GW2 are making more flaming topics than the haters itself.

It is as if they are addicted to poking fans of other MMOS just for the laughs.

This is the overall issue I'm trying to point out and bring to the surface for more discussions on. Granted, that discussion might not happen in this thread as it is most likely going to anger some people.

However, the point needs to be made that it is an apparent issue. I will agree BadSpock is trying to be objective about the issue, but he failed on multiple levels simply because he's turning a blind eye to these over-hyped threads while attacking ones trying to bring an issue to light.

Maybe it's how I approached the issue as I'm told I can be too "direct" for some people on these forums. However, it still is an issue and I don't see how ignoring it can make it better.

:/

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  Bad.dog

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9/12/12 9:26:12 AM#52
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

I don't know where these Feral Fanbois are coming from as I never had to deal with them this badly for even SWTOR. Quite frankly, I've been surprised to see all over these forums about how people are annoyed if not almost completely turned off by the rabid flaming of anything non-GW2, and how GW2 is being pushed to new heights of outlandish fanboism. It is REALLY pissing off normal GW2 fans, because when you rabidly fanboy all over GW2 you make the normal players whom are just trying to enjoy the game look bad, or at least that's how i've been reading they feel

Quite frankly....99.9% of all folks wouldn't even come to a site like this and I'm sorry to say  your opinion or my opinon have 0% effect on true GW2 fans and to tell you the truth I don't give a flying fiddler's f==k about a lecture from you .Posts like this just make me think of some butt-hurt attention seeker with nothing to say looking to be the centre of attention...the I'm more noble then you card wears out real fast 

  Reas43

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9/12/12 9:27:08 AM#53
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

I don't know where these Feral Fanbois are coming from as I never had to deal with them this badly for even SWTOR. Quite frankly, I've been surprised to see all over these forums about how people are annoyed if not almost completely turned off by the rabid flaming of anything non-GW2, and how GW2 is being pushed to new heights of outlandish fanboism. It is REALLY pissing off normal GW2 fans, because when you rabidly fanboy all over GW2 you make the normal players whom are just trying to enjoy the game look bad, or at least that's how i've been reading they feel?

Now, I'll say this to put it out there. I'm not a "Fan" of GW2, but I did purchase it for $60, and do believe it is one of the best themeparks I've played. However, I know what GW2 is, and is not. So I won't go any further with it than that.

 

From my experience with previously overhyped titles I've had to deal with people calling me a "Hater" and an outright "Troll" because I said things like SWTOR being horribly linear, zero replayability, sub-par end-game, and a host of other straight-to-the-point statements. Ironically months later I see everything I was saying pre-release echoed throughout these forums.

 

Then, for GW2, I was flamed outright for calling "Dynamic Events" NOT "Dynamic" and more akin to static repeated branching SCRIPTED events. Not only was I flamed, but I experienced something I hadn't before with SWTOR. I was actually being contacted off this site by my personal email being asked to stop "Spouting nonsense you have no clue about" with regards to GW2 (I didn't even know my personal email was listed under my profile on here?).

 

Regardless, albeit longer than I originally wanted, my point is that you NEED to stop going crazy with this over-the-top fanboism. You're making the normal players who're just trying to enjoy GW2 for what it is, and you're hurting GW2 as a whole in the long term.

 

Please :(

 

What? GW2 zealots haven't sent you any death threats yet? They must be slipping. Casuals.
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9/12/12 9:27:18 AM#54
Originally posted by Slampig
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

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Good luck with that... Seems there is no stopping these people...

Yeah the very fact that anytime anyone said well thought out fact based posts on other games and were shot down because of it means that these forums are very biased. same goes for TSW TERA. 

GW2 "fanbois" who've had the privilege of being well informed due to transparency, something all the other companies should learn from, doesn't mean we're wrong and doesn't mean we should be silenced. What's really happening is the haters poor things, have lost so many arguments that they are now whining because they aren't allowed to just say anything they want without someone proving them wrong with examples, captures, videos, facts.

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9/12/12 9:29:01 AM#55
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

I don't know where these Feral Fanbois are coming from as I never had to deal with them this badly for even SWTOR.

Were you just not reading the forums during the AoC vs WAR time period? I agree with you that people need to chill out but this still isn't anywhere near what we were seeing with those two games.

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OP  9/12/12 9:30:30 AM#56
Originally posted by MikeJezZ
Why even care? Why even feed the messiah followers or the bashing idiots with these threads?

I like gw2 and I don't care if someone on the web agrees or not. It doesn't affect my game in anyway.

This forum has turned to a shithole. No threads are made for discussing the game. No, it's another thread about the same shit.

"gw2 fans are fanboys" "haters gonna hate".

Jesus. Get on with your lives with or without gw2 and talk about the game instead of everything else.

This is a perfectly valid discussion. Why do you care if we care? That seems to be the larger issue at hand.

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OP  9/12/12 9:32:09 AM#57
Originally posted by Xzen
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

I don't know where these Feral Fanbois are coming from as I never had to deal with them this badly for even SWTOR.

Were you just not reading the forums during the AoC vs WAR time period? I agree with you that people need to chill out but this still isn't anywhere near what we were seeing with those two games.

I've given myself forced amnesia with regards to AoC vs WAR time period. It just wasn't even worth wasting braincells to remember :|. I can't even consider bringing that period of discussion back up as it was absolutely the worst thing I've experienced on these forums. SWTOR came close though....

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9/12/12 9:32:38 AM#58
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

This is a perfectly valid discussion. Why do you care if we care? That seems to be the larger issue at hand.

 When you make a topic title such as yours you're bound to rile some up.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised at how civil it has been.

I think at this point some are simply worn out...or wore down may be more appropriate XD

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

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9/12/12 9:34:33 AM#59
Originally posted by itgrowls
Originally posted by Slampig
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

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Good luck with that... Seems there is no stopping these people...

Yeah the very fact that anytime anyone said well thought out fact based posts on other games and were shot down because of it means that these forums are very biased. same goes for TSW TERA. 

GW2 "fanbois" who've had the privilege of being well informed due to transparency, something all the other companies should learn from, doesn't mean we're wrong and doesn't mean we should be silenced. What's really happening is the haters poor things, have lost so many arguments that they are now whining because they aren't allowed to just say anything they want without someone proving them wrong with examples, captures, videos, facts.

You mean facts like gear means nothing in PVP and a low lvl is on same footing as lvl 80? or the fact that what you do in Tyria changes tyria? (interestingly later on fans back tracked to saying devs were only talking about personal stories). No shit ....ofcourse devs were talking about personal stories but fans twisted the meanign to spread wrong info.

So what facts you are talking about? i have read so much BS on these forums and finally when i played GW2 i realised it was all exaggeration.

I am still having fun but so called facts given by these fans is something i would avoid like a plague because msot of it is just like i said..BS.


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9/12/12 9:35:46 AM#60
Originally posted by Fadedbomb

This is NOT Dynamic at all, it is linear scripting with 2-3 outcomes that never change.

it doesnt matter what the word actually means; what matters is personal meaning - and thats subjective

 

remember past debate about the word innovation?

many believed innovation was synonymous with the word invention

thats an example of being subjective with a words meaning

 

a quest being dynamic holds similar personal meaning for players

 

or players defining what a MMO is:  thats also subjective

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