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General Discussion  » Why Are People Upset About GW2's Overwhelming Success?

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  MMOwanderer

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9/11/12 2:34:27 PM#41
Originally posted by sonoggi
Originally posted by MMOwanderer
Originally posted by sonoggi
 
 and it is the Obama of MMo's, to be perfectly honest. u cant deny that. 

I was going to come here and make a possibly good post trying to discuss things. Then i saw this. So, my comment is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI

well i was gonna be rational, but then he mentioned Obama and GW2 in one sentence, and that got me going. i love them both so much. 

The problem is you started this. You title reads "GW2's overwhelming sucess".

Excuse me, but, how do you know it's a sucess? You see, alot of mmorpgs where also called such a thing by the very companies. Yet, a few months later, they wheren't doing so good. Alot of P2P AND F2P failed and are failing on a financial level. So, how do you know?

See, i'm not saying GW2 will "failz" or whatever, because i can't see the future, but neither can you.

How many copies total where sold? Is NCSoft pleased? Is the game profitable long term? How many keep playing? Etc.

But you start off claiming a fact without evidence. And there lies the problem. You stared this discussion on the wrong foot. Countering with another, sorry if i sound offensive, stupid claim, by saying GW2 is mmo obama and we "can't deny it" is saying the game is amazing and we to accept it.

Again, wrong line. Nobody's mad, bro. This is commum with every mmorpg launch, ok? It's standart.

  User Deleted
9/11/12 2:34:38 PM#42
Originally posted by yabooer
Also, I don't get upset if a game does well. I get upset at players hyping it up, and using terms like the second coming (Kind of reminds me of the beatles...) People want to say it is all the haters, when in fact I see the fanbois instigating just as much. It is the people in general which turns me off to games.

The only ones using terms like "second coming" where the negative people. I have yet to see any single positive fan using the term "second coming".

And yes, the people stirring trouble here are the minority of "haters" who just can't let it go and feel the need to get on a personal crusade against a game they didn't enjoy for some reason. Some people just like peeing in other people's cheerios.

  sonoggi

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OP  9/11/12 2:35:51 PM#43
Originally posted by Psychow
Originally posted by Four0Six

If there was more realism, and less "Quest Hubs are Dead" articles, there would be a more real responce.

 

 

Agree completely.

 

Quest hubs are dead! Yay!

B2P is the new standard! Yay!

Holy Trinity is no more! Woot!!

No more raids! Yeah!!

Gear progression is gone foravah!! Praise all that is holy!!

 

 

well youre obviously a hater, cuz quest hubs ARE dead (now u can explore the world doing any DE u want); B2P may be the new standard once someone releases ANet's profits for this year; there are no trinities in GW2 (fact); there are raids (wtf?); gear progression is gone in the sense that it's not mandatory to enjoy the game. 

hope that helps. 

  Robsolf

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9/11/12 2:36:02 PM#44
I love GW2... but I don't like baiting threads like this one.
  grimal

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9/11/12 2:39:57 PM#45
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

The only ones using terms like "second coming" where the negative people. I have yet to see any single positive fan using the term "second coming".

And yes, the people stirring trouble here are the minority of "haters" who just can't let it go and feel the need to get on a personal crusade against a game they didn't enjoy for some reason. Some people just like peeing in other people's cheerios.

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Edit: there is a certain percentage of people with hidden agendas, but its not fair to simply discard someone's opinion because it doesn't match your own.  Some people really don't like the game all that much;  no hidden agenda there.

"I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you." - Robin Williams

  RefMinor

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9/11/12 2:41:24 PM#46
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
It's kinda "kewl" in "some" circles to hate what's popular. It's the immature attitude of some people who can't tolerate others having fun with something they basically don't care about, but only use to make them feel superior to the masses who gave in to something that is actually fun. Can be a movie, a game, a TV show, music, etc...

Or those who because they enjoy something feel that it makes them superior and that everyone who doesn't agree is a blind hater.

  sonoggi

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OP  9/11/12 2:41:40 PM#47
Originally posted by MMOwanderer
Originally posted by sonoggi
Originally posted by MMOwanderer
Originally posted by sonoggi
 
 and it is the Obama of MMo's, to be perfectly honest. u cant deny that. 

I was going to come here and make a possibly good post trying to discuss things. Then i saw this. So, my comment is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI

well i was gonna be rational, but then he mentioned Obama and GW2 in one sentence, and that got me going. i love them both so much. 

The problem is you started this. 

 

started what? 

  User Deleted
9/11/12 2:41:42 PM#48
Originally posted by grimal
Originally posted by The_Korrigan

The only ones using terms like "second coming" where the negative people. I have yet to see any single positive fan using the term "second coming".

And yes, the people stirring trouble here are the minority of "haters" who just can't let it go and feel the need to get on a personal crusade against a game they didn't enjoy for some reason. Some people just like peeing in other people's cheerios.

This is interesting coming from you since just yesterday you attacked people who didn't like the game by saying  "MMOs are not for them"

Link to my post? (don't search, you won't find it, because I didn't say that).

Nice try at misinformation though.

  Wickedjelly

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9/11/12 2:41:45 PM#49
Originally posted by sonoggi
maybe mmorpg.com is where these people congregate, which would explain the frequency of such strange threads, maybe it's their alts posting. but why would you be MAD about it bros? the game is epic, and even when u look at it completely objectively, at the very least it's above the average. 

 This is the same as it has always been. Not sure why some of you need to get a martyr complex over it.

I don't find topics like this any better.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Distopia

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9/11/12 2:42:43 PM#50
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
It's kinda "kewl" in "some" circles to hate what's popular. It's the immature attitude of some people who can't tolerate others having fun with something they basically don't care about, but only use to make them feel superior to the masses who gave in to something that is actually fun. Can be a movie, a game, a TV show, music, etc...

It's not just immaturity that creates this attitude that's for sure, some of it begins with Bands, games, or whatever that are stripped of their artistic value/integrity in order to pump it out at higher rate that brings in more revenue. That's basically a fact.

 

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  SuperDonk

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9/11/12 2:43:00 PM#51

So let me get this right. If you say the GW2 is a monster success without proof, the OP agrees.

 

If you rationally say, give it time before claiming it is a gigantic super success, you're a hater. Got to love the internetz.

 

It is way to early to claim that GW2 is a success, two weeks after SWTOR launched everyone was still talking about the record setting inital sales and everyone was busy with the story. It wasn't until after the first month the cracks in SWOTR's amor began to become exposed, and I'm sure the B2P option for GW2 will help cushion the dropoff for them. But again, it is still to early to call it a success or a failure, unless you just want to troll. The only way anyone can accurately call it a success or failure is if it was to you personally.

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  Pumuckl71

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9/11/12 2:45:58 PM#52

can someone lock this thread please?

Its soo pointless and there are way too many GW2 threads already

  Angier2758

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9/11/12 2:48:10 PM#53
Originally posted by Jyiiga
I have real theory for you. These boards are populated with a lot of niche gamers. Gamers that enjoy things like Darkfall or Mortal Online (etc). Many of these gamers are hurt that their game of choice has the population of Monowi Nebraska. So they come here and find a highly successful game, a game that does not fit their idea of a good game and bash it. 

 Ding ding ding.

  Angier2758

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9/11/12 2:50:16 PM#54
Originally posted by SuperDonk

So let me get this right. If you say the GW2 is a monster success without proof, the OP agrees.

 

If you rationally say, give it time before claiming it is a gigantic super success, you're a hater. Got to love the internetz.

 

It is way to early to claim that GW2 is a success, two weeks after SWTOR launched everyone was still talking about the record setting inital sales and everyone was busy with the story. It wasn't until after the first month the cracks in SWOTR's amor began to become exposed, and I'm sure the B2P option for GW2 will help cushion the dropoff for them. But again, it is still to early to call it a success or a failure, unless you just want to troll. The only way anyone can accurately call it a success or failure is if it was to you personally.

 I think most fans are in that 2nd group...

I like the game a lot, but my personal worry is that  the only class I like so far is like half the server it seems.

I'm trying a necromancer right now JUST because I hardly see them.

  Xiaoki

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9/11/12 2:53:43 PM#55


Originally posted by sonoggi

Originally posted by Krytycal

Originally posted by sonoggi maybe mmorpg.com is where these people congregate, which would explain the frequency of such strange threads, maybe it's their alts posting. but why would you be MAD about it bros? the game is epic, and even when u look at it completely objectively, at the very least it's above the average. 
That's exactly the problem. The game is an above average themepark MMORPG, but people (including ANET) keep painting it like it's the Obama of the MMO genre when in reality it's just a different take on the same old, I mean, at least Obama was black. People don't like being lied to.
no one is being lied to. the game delivered exactly what was promised. if not more. and it is the Obama of MMo's, to be perfectly honest. u cant deny that it's bringing huge change to the genre and setting the bar. just DE's on their own will require future competition to ditch the traditional questing system entirely, or be horribly ridiculed. 


There are definite areas in which GW2 has most assuredly fallen short of ArenaNet's promises.


The Dynamic Events are not as advertised by ArenaNet.

We were supposed to get DEs that had a lasting impact on the world. Not even close. Most DEs are one-off affairs with no impact at all. Not even the major DEs have some kind of impact on anything but the area in which they take place.

If you fail to kill one of the dragons does it start flying around destroying towns? No.

Well, I dont know because they are so easy.

The major DEs like the dragons were supposed to be challenging open world raid bosses and scale up to 100 people. But they get zerged to death with just 20 people.


Really cant say much about the Home instance either. After wandering around it for 15 minutes I only saw 3 differences. My rival, someone from my Order and a group from the lesser race I helped. Thats it? A couple interchangeable stand-ins doing nothing? Yay.

  User Deleted
9/11/12 2:56:11 PM#56
Originally posted by sonoggi
maybe mmorpg.com is where these people congregate, which would explain the frequency of such strange threads, maybe it's their alts posting. but why would you be MAD about it bros? the game is epic, and even when u look at it completely objectively, at the very least it's above the average. 

compeltely agree, notably with your cesspool assessment with some of the people in these forums on your other post.

it's really horrendous how the nonsense posts by some haters are allowed to continue about this title. There's a clear double standard here. The game is a success, it's flourishing, it's well made well developed with multiple wonderful enhancements and sollutions to problems mmo gamers have faced since the 2004 standard. 

There really is nothing for REASONABLE people to complain about, but that's not who comes here to complain about a game they really aren't playing nor will ever play.

And for those who were disappointed, if you had done research before buying it (which is the whole point of the stickies and the cons they used to show everyone their game) then you wouldn't have purchased a game you wouldn't like in the first place.

 

 

  User Deleted
9/11/12 3:00:04 PM#57
Originally posted by Xiaoki

 


Originally posted by sonoggi

Originally posted by Krytycal

Originally posted by sonoggi maybe mmorpg.com is where these people congregate, which would explain the frequency of such strange threads, maybe it's their alts posting. but why would you be MAD about it bros? the game is epic, and even when u look at it completely objectively, at the very least it's above the average. 
That's exactly the problem. The game is an above average themepark MMORPG, but people (including ANET) keep painting it like it's the Obama of the MMO genre when in reality it's just a different take on the same old, I mean, at least Obama was black. People don't like being lied to.
no one is being lied to. the game delivered exactly what was promised. if not more. and it is the Obama of MMo's, to be perfectly honest. u cant deny that it's bringing huge change to the genre and setting the bar. just DE's on their own will require future competition to ditch the traditional questing system entirely, or be horribly ridiculed. 

There are definite areas in which GW2 has most assuredly fallen short of ArenaNet's promises.

 


The Dynamic Events are not as advertised by ArenaNet.

We were supposed to get DEs that had a lasting impact on the world. Not even close. Most DEs are one-off affairs with no impact at all. Not even the major DEs have some kind of impact on anything but the area in which they take place.

What level is your max again? because post level 30 there is this factor hate to break it to you.

The major DEs like the dragons were supposed to be challenging open world raid bosses and scale up to 100 people. But they get zerged to death with just 20 people.

You do realize that the enemies and their minions scale with the number of people present right? and no they don't get zerged to death no one has ever defeated a dragon in 30 seconds. get real.


Really cant say much about the Home instance either. After wandering around it for 15 minutes I only saw 3 differences. My rival, someone from my Order and a group from the lesser race I helped. Thats it? A couple interchangeable stand-ins doing nothing? Yay.

Again, what level? How far along in your personal story? Because mine has changed according to what my personal story progress is. :)

 

  Icewhite

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9/11/12 3:03:10 PM#58

Why Are People Upset About GW2's Overwhelming Success?

It's difficult to predict what people find threatening.  But the gamer world is filled with crusaders, all shouting (very different) "Look at me"s.

Of course they're all so very concerned with the 'future of the industry'.  Mrs. Grimble was just concerned with the happiness and welfare of the people she was constantly gossiping about, too.

 

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  kalinis

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9/11/12 3:05:04 PM#59

People have an issue with wow's success. Im sorry but some people are always gonna be upset when there game of choice isn't the it thing, 

I for one think its great, I am not playing gw2 but i still think the success of any game in the mmo market is huge, If all mmo's that had nice budgets to make crashed and burned we would stop getting higher budget mmo'. 

I think  people should be glad for any mmo's success because if games like gw2 succed taht try something diffrent maybe other games will try new things and take chances, And maybe someday that game the ones who don't play gw2 or like it will finally get that harcorde sandbox or other game they are looking for. 

  GreenishBlue

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9/11/12 3:09:33 PM#60
game has been a success since beta; the product delivered and then some

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