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  SaintPhilip

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OP  9/12/12 3:21:27 PM#21
Originally posted by deathshroud
doesnt mean fans said it was a success, it could of been anyone including people who have never played mo just to troll you.

This is true- But I am pretty sure it has more to do with the "Focus group" or whatever which stated they would be hitting Forums and trying to drum up support- That and probably some Mods, GMs from MO who occasionally make the rounds here incognito.

BUT, you may be correct- It was never a "scientific" Poll, LOL, to begin with. 

Honestly I knew this Xpac would be a bust but hadnt a clue how BADa state  they would let this one be released in- Seriously, I expected BAD but not to this degree. They HAD to realize that people patience and their promises and "potential" cannot keep the ship afloat when they refuse to change or to even release a working Patch.

-Anyhow, you could be correct. OR the Viral marketing team is ON IT =)

  realnaste

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9/13/12 3:35:58 AM#22

Unless I am mistaken about the poll on MOs forums, I had an impression that most voted, that it will improve the game greatly after most of the bugs are ironed out
(I was one of them). If it's true, then the surprise is BS and accusations are just another try to stir up shit.

  SaintPhilip

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OP  9/13/12 6:34:51 AM#23
Originally posted by realnaste

Unless I am mistaken about the poll on MOs forums, I had an impression that most voted, that it will improve the game greatly after most of the bugs are ironed out
(I was one of them). If it's true, then the surprise is BS and accusations are just another try to stir up shit.

The Poll (if I recall correctly) said something like.

Was MO a success ?-

1) Yes- 

2) No but once its patched and working will be a huge improvment on the game-

3) No, worst thing that ever happened to MO and I am a PVPer

4) No, worst thing that ever happened to MO and I am a PVEer

-So 3 choices for NO and 1 choice for YES (yes being 6%).

Poll stayed up 2 and half days before being deleted. Not locked. Deleted. And if you were a part of that Poll I am sure you read the comments which I cannot quote for you since they are deleted. LOL

EDIT: Also, remember this is/was a POLL about the state of the game at the time the Poll was made. At that time Awakening was like 2 weeks old. This was not a Poll about how Awakening will be in a Year or two. This was a snapshot after two weeks of daily patches and the state the game is STILL IN (plus the semi working patches are slowing down as well)

-So Realnaste, could I get your opinion on this issue as it stands? In other words do you feel the Xpac has been a success after the three weeks or so since its been released and patched? At THIS POINT (not once they fix X, tweak Y and add Z ...soon)

  realnaste

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9/13/12 8:47:32 AM#24

Yes and no.
Not in what you consider a success. At this very moment it is going through usual software-birth-problems that I got long used to with SV. Many months before awakening hit I warned everyone that there will be a need for tons of bug fixes, and through the first weeks it would be wise to not even turn on MO. I was right.
There are two sides of the coin though.
There is a long list of things that the community would like to see. So:
It is a success for anyone sticking to the game if you look at it feature wise.
Like I said- I was one of those voting "not yet", but on this poll I would be definitely closer to "yes" then "no", because I actually see proof that MO is moving roughly in the direction I would like it to. If I get some more fun out of this project (which already gave me more fun than any mmo out there) I consider the expansion a success. It already did make me log on few more times, but as a patient fellow I am, I will wait a little longer to judge.

All in all: This poll is flawed in my opinion, and comparing the outcome of this one to that one just allows you for over-interpretations like the one stating that suddenly all of SV staff is voting on these polls.

EDIT- Is there a way to see the results without voting?

  Hancakes

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9/13/12 8:48:16 AM#25
Originally posted by realnaste

Unless I am mistaken about the poll on MOs forums, I had an impression that most voted, that it will improve the game greatly after most of the bugs are ironed out
 

Too funny, it's the same old song and dance.    It's always what MO might be someday, never what  it is.   We've been waiting for over two years to get MOs "bugs ironed out" , now theyve created even more. 

  realnaste

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9/13/12 8:51:57 AM#26
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by realnaste

Unless I am mistaken about the poll on MOs forums, I had an impression that most voted, that it will improve the game greatly after most of the bugs are ironed out
 

Too funny, it's the same old song and dance.    It's always what MO might be someday, never what  it is.   We've been waiting for over two years to get MOs "bugs ironed out" , now theyve created even more. 

That has absolutely nothing to do with the meaning of my post. If you have a problem with what MO comunity thinks...well...that is your problem.

  Hancakes

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9/13/12 9:24:03 AM#27
So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
  SaintPhilip

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OP  9/13/12 1:54:53 PM#28
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by realnaste

Unless I am mistaken about the poll on MOs forums, I had an impression that most voted, that it will improve the game greatly after most of the bugs are ironed out
 

Too funny, it's the same old song and dance.    It's always what MO might be someday, never what  it is.   We've been waiting for over two years to get MOs "bugs ironed out" , now theyve created even more. 

THIS^^^^^^^ Sums things up IMHO.

Since MO began (and with every Patch) the ideals were fantastic, yet we are still waiting on some of the more basic promises to be fulfilled/work as intended. This is why we cannot trust what "MO" will be like once X is fixed, Y is changed and Z will be working as intended- We still have non working placeholders from 2 and a half years ago...

Prime example- DAWN. If you gave me a list of "features" promised in the Dawn Xpac I would HAVE TO SAY "damn, thats impressive-" so sure, ONCE the bugs are ironed out and those features WORK- Dawn would be awesome. (I am being serious here)- The problem is DAWN was NOT AWESOME and a year or so later it STILL ISNT WORKING AS INTENDED.

Genetics, Town Life (as shown in a video from YEARS AGO), breeding, etc- These were promised and forgotten. If we were basing MOs success and failure on ideals and intentions then clearly this is a very good game. SV always has a huge list of fantastic features promised and its the same song and dance "Once this is fixed this will be fantastic" BUT it never really gets fixed.

At some point we have to look at NOW (not down the road) and realize that MANY of SV's promises have been made, ignored, forgotten and then censored off the forum.

Still waiting on proper AI for that matter (how many times has IT been promised? Damn Epic Patch 1 was supposed to fix that)

Anyhow, if the barameter is so low that we measure success as "ideals" and "once X is fixed" (instead OF WAITING TO SEE IF X IS actually fixed) THEN everything IS always A SUCCESS, YES? There is no failure or dissapointment ever.

See, there is a pattern here which many have recognized . Every patch and XPAC plays out the SAME- Not ONE SINGLE XPAC/PATCH is fully implemented, working as intended etc...Not ONE.

So what makes any of you think that suddenly THIS PATCH will be fixed when things are missing/not working from patches from YEARS AGO? And after nearly 3 weeks now, LOOK AT THE STATE OF THE GAME. Is this patch a successs? 

My answer is NO. Its the same ol SV lack of quality and care.

And even before Awakening released SV started a thread about what is "coming next" (carrot on stick) knowing damn well this Patch would be a disastor. And mark my words, History WILL REPEAT ITSELF (again) and Sv will leabve this Xpac a mismatch of half working and bugged "features" (some turned off) and will begin work on the next Hyped Patch ior "feature"

Thats the point of this thread.If things from release still dont properly work, things from all previous patches do not work- How can you think THIS patch is a success ONCE IT WORKS? (spoiler: its not going to EVER work...)

EDIT: Sv will get the patch "stable" and move on- Bugs will be left, features will not work properly etc.

EDIT 2: The point I was trying to make (I am a bit tired and the weekend is coming so my minds a bit foggy, lol) is that this POLL is NOT FLAWED. Its a YES or a NO.  No variations of "Once its working" since we really do not know if it will EVER WORK (and based on the past its a good bet it will NOT ever work as intended)- And only 6% on the official Forum felt it was a success. That is why I find it odd nearly 26% of those polled here find Awakening to be a success. The official forums are so filled with complaintes it isnt funny- And considering we were told in a thread on the official Forum that there would be organized attempts to "drum up support" on other forums- I am suspisious that this Poll was corrupted by those people. Thats my story and I am sticking to it =P

 

  realnaste

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9/13/12 6:18:53 PM#29


Originally posted by Hancakes So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
 
hehehe...no. I'm not the voice of the community. Most voted that Awakening will be an improvement when the bugs get ironed out. Simple as that.

  argirop

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9/13/12 11:07:35 PM#30
Originally posted by realnaste

 


Originally posted by Hancakes So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
 
hehehe...no. I'm not the voice of the community. Most voted that Awakening will be an improvement when the bugs get ironed out. Simple as that.

 

The bugs will never get ironed out as you said. DEV team is a bunch of untalented and incompetend kids that are trying to sell sea weed instead of silk ribbons to people like yourself. And since you are here shouting loud and puting yourself infront of the miserable company thats behind MO they are actualy suceeding at one point.

 

P.S. Have you bought SV's shares as you where claiming you will some time ago just to get Henriks attention in official MO forums?

  realnaste

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9/14/12 6:18:40 AM#31

 


Originally posted by argirop

Originally posted by realnaste  

Originally posted by Hancakes So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
  hehehe...no. I'm not the voice of the community. Most voted that Awakening will be an improvement when the bugs get ironed out. Simple as that.  
The bugs will never get ironed out as you said. DEV team is a bunch of untalented and incompetend kids that are trying to sell sea weed instead of silk ribbons to people like yourself. And since you are here shouting loud and puting yourself infront of the miserable company thats behind MO they are actualy suceeding at one point.   P.S. Have you bought SV's shares as you where claiming you will some time ago just to get Henriks attention in official MO forums?
 Never said the bugs will be fixed. I'm not claiming to know the future, like some around here. Nope. I asked how to do it, got the answer "go to your bank", turned out it doesn't work like that, so I just let it go.PS. Your assumptions are funny by the way, please pull more out of your ass while you are at it. 
PPS. Stalking is creepy, but again: while you're at it, at least try not to present only the side that somehow helps your cause, you little hater you. ;)

 

  argirop

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9/14/12 10:55:28 AM#32
Originally posted by realnaste

 


Originally posted by argirop

Originally posted by realnaste  

Originally posted by Hancakes So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
  hehehe...no. I'm not the voice of the community. Most voted that Awakening will be an improvement when the bugs get ironed out. Simple as that.  
The bugs will never get ironed out as you said. DEV team is a bunch of untalented and incompetend kids that are trying to sell sea weed instead of silk ribbons to people like yourself. And since you are here shouting loud and puting yourself infront of the miserable company thats behind MO they are actualy suceeding at one point.   P.S. Have you bought SV's shares as you where claiming you will some time ago just to get Henriks attention in official MO forums?
 Never said the bugs will be fixed. I'm not claiming to know the future, like some around here. Nope. I asked how to do it, got the answer "go to your bank", turned out it doesn't work like that, so I just let it go.PS. Your assumptions are funny by the way, please pull more out of your ass while you are at it. 
PPS. Stalking is creepy, but again: while you're at it, at least try not to present only the side that somehow helps your cause, you little hater you. ;)

 

You got me all wrong. I m not claiming to know the future aswell. But bet your ass that i know the past and i dont tend to forget it like few people around here. Too bad you couldnt buy some shares cause you could use them as plain paper. What can i say i m a funny guy and i m glad i do make you laugh.

PS. Haha stalking... You made me laugh aswell. I just remembered the laughs i had when i saw you asking about the shares and Henrik rushed in the conversation like a hungry for money individual he is to offer you a solution. As for my cause i can assure you i dont have any. But as much as you would like it i will not stop telling the truth concerning MO and will be glad if my time worths at least saving one gamer from throwing a few euros to abyss. You little fanboy you :D.

  realnaste

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9/14/12 11:09:02 AM#33

 


Originally posted by argirop

Originally posted by realnaste  

Originally posted by argirop

Originally posted by realnaste  

Originally posted by Hancakes So youre now the voice of the mo community? How YOU recall a now conveniently deleted post is not fact.  Why would SV remove a seemingly positive poll? ( in your recollation) 
  hehehe...no. I'm not the voice of the community. Most voted that Awakening will be an improvement when the bugs get ironed out. Simple as that.  
The bugs will never get ironed out as you said. DEV team is a bunch of untalented and incompetend kids that are trying to sell sea weed instead of silk ribbons to people like yourself. And since you are here shouting loud and puting yourself infront of the miserable company thats behind MO they are actualy suceeding at one point.   P.S. Have you bought SV's shares as you where claiming you will some time ago just to get Henriks attention in official MO forums?
 Never said the bugs will be fixed. I'm not claiming to know the future, like some around here. Nope. I asked how to do it, got the answer "go to your bank", turned out it doesn't work like that, so I just let it go.PS. Your assumptions are funny by the way, please pull more out of your ass while you are at it.  PPS. Stalking is creepy, but again: while you're at it, at least try not to present only the side that somehow helps your cause, you little hater you. ;)  
You got me all wrong. I m not claiming to know the future aswell. But bet your ass that i know the past and i dont tend to forget it like few people around here. Too bad you couldnt buy some shares cause you could use them as plain paper. What can i say i m a funny guy and i m glad i do make you laugh. PS. Haha stalking... You made me laugh aswell. I just remembered the laughs i had when i saw you asking about the shares and Henrik rushed in the conversation like a hungry for money individual he is to offer you a solution. As for my cause i can assure you i dont have any. But as much as you would like it i will not stop telling the truth concerning MO and will be glad if my time worths at least saving one gamer from throwing a few euros to abyss. You little fanboy you :D.
 Never heard of high risk investments? :P
But seriously:I was treating it more like gambling than a serious plan to get proper income. I may be naive, but I'm not that naive. I know the chances that it would actually pay up are less than slim, but if it would, with the current price of shares...you understand by now I think- just like a lottery. By the way I don't think me buying a few shares would have any impact on SV at all. I don't think it works like that.
As for the past- insinuating I forgot it? Well some of it most certainly, but if you are as scrupulous a stalker as I think you are, then you already know by my posts on the MO forums (some quoted by local haters, so can't be all "praise MO!" now can it?), that I'm not actually as blind as some might think I am by the posts I tend to leave here.There is just no point in repeating all the faults of MO for the hundredth time here, since there are individuals like you who are more than happy to do so plus add some drama, over exaggeration and conspiracy theories, but somehow in their rightful rage forget that there actually might be another side of the coin. I like to think I bring that side to the table ^^
Anyway- what exactly is a fanboy?
 And another question I always wanted to ask- why am I never quoted when I (or anyone else for that matter) actually say something nice about MO on the official forums? 

  Yamota

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6503

"I fight so you don't have to."

9/14/12 11:14:39 AM#34
Originally posted by Toferio
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by indiramourn
Originally posted by deathshroud
... in the lnog run it will improve the game but right now its a failure.

Sounds like an appropriate epitaph for MO.  After I did the trial recently I am not surprised one bit.  A more incompetent group of developers I have never seen.

To be fair they're not actually developers, and are merely "Scripters" for the engine they're using. More to the point, they're Scripters recruited from the modding community of all things.

You've got your terms wrong. MO aside, being a developer has nothing to do with what tools you use. If you're making a game, you're a developer, period. It doesn't matter if you use scripting, an existing engine or mod a game. 

However there is indeed a difference between a scripter and a programmer.

Whatever they are, they are not good.

  SaintPhilip

Novice Member

Joined: 3/22/12
Posts: 729

 
OP  9/14/12 3:03:19 PM#35

Nearly 1 in 3 have said Awakening was a success (via this Poll) but not 1 single Post to explain what was so succesful about it- In fact, the only one even trying to have a dialouge is Realnaste.

Out of 43 votes, that means approz 14people are very happy with this Xpac- But apparently will not explain why, what was so good about it, etc.

-Realnaste,I appreciate your actually discussing things and although I disagree with you I respect your opinion. I also find it pretty damn funny about the "stock" being like the Lotto  (but it isnt a bet I would make with real money lol)-

Anyhow, so as not to derail this thread more than it is- Do you think this Poll seems correct- That approx 1/3 of everyone is quite happy with this Xpac? Could you also tell us WHY? What is working properly and adding to the game?

EDIT: I would like to add that I do NOT think your a blind fanboy- I have watched you tell it like it is before and generally you avoid stupid insults. You are one of the few that come here and actually engage in dialouge.

  Toferio

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/26/09
Posts: 1456

9/14/12 4:56:36 PM#36
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Toferio
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by indiramourn
Originally posted by deathshroud
... in the lnog run it will improve the game but right now its a failure.

Sounds like an appropriate epitaph for MO.  After I did the trial recently I am not surprised one bit.  A more incompetent group of developers I have never seen.

To be fair they're not actually developers, and are merely "Scripters" for the engine they're using. More to the point, they're Scripters recruited from the modding community of all things.

You've got your terms wrong. MO aside, being a developer has nothing to do with what tools you use. If you're making a game, you're a developer, period. It doesn't matter if you use scripting, an existing engine or mod a game. 

However there is indeed a difference between a scripter and a programmer.

Whatever they are, they are not good.

That I can agree with :P

  psykobilly

Novice Member

Joined: 11/19/10
Posts: 347

9/14/12 6:49:58 PM#37

 

Don't get how anyone is happy with awakening.  The two big things promised were AI and GUI.

The AI is actually worse (less intelligent) than it was before awakening.  That was supposed to be the new great thing...  mobs aggro at a greater distance, have more hp, do more damage, but there is no intelligence to the mobs whatsoever.  The mobs actually follow your exact path instead of following _you_.  Nothing revolutionary like Theia promised on this forum.  They warp, they rocket, they disappear under terrain, fly into the sky, etc.  I'm very happy they are tougher than before, but there is no AI improvement.  Forget taming... pets in combat are fucking worthless.

The GUI is actually less functional.  Before I had 2 hotbars to use... now I have only 1 plus a sidebar that is useless.  They should have expanded hotbars so I could have as many as I want using a hotkey to flip between them.  Very bad hotbar design.  Aside from the bugs, the inventory and banking are exactly the same as before.  Putting a pretty graphic around it does not make it 'better'.  There is no new functionality in the chat window...  why have tabs even if I can have only one chat tab?  The new GUI has delivered no improvement that I can see.

I see them as 0/2 on the big promises of awakening.

The biggest thing that annoys me is the new content.  It's great that there are new dungeons to explore...  but the reward for doing it?  The chance to pick a chest to get scrolls...  that won't be implemented until the next expansion.  What kind of fucking reward is that?  Really makes me not motivated after I've done all the dungeons once already.

Awakening should never have been.  They should have released the GUI and AI in individual patches, and slowly worked out the bugs before moving on to the next.

 

  Hancakes

Novice Member

Joined: 2/06/11
Posts: 1106

9/14/12 10:38:18 PM#38
Originally posted by psykobilly

 


They should have released the GUI and AI in individual patches, and slowly worked out the bugs before moving on to the next.

 

Wheres the "hype" in that ? 

  deathshroud

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/06/10
Posts: 1389

9/15/12 12:21:02 AM#39
Originally posted by Hancakes
Originally posted by psykobilly

 


They should have released the GUI and AI in individual patches, and slowly worked out the bugs before moving on to the next.

 

Wheres the "hype" in that ? 

well were was the hype with awakening? like 10 people resubbed.

there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.

  Lahuzer

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/07/09
Posts: 679

Sit on my face and tell me that you love me...

9/15/12 12:31:48 AM#40
Well, I still think it´s to early to say if Awakening for a success or not. Just yesterday they released their biggest patch after Awakening fixing things like pets/stable/broker etc. I guess within 2-3 weeks from now we will be able to enjoy Awakening as it was intended. So this poll is done way to early.
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