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  SnarlingWolf

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9/07/12 12:42:20 PM#21
Originally posted by Dfix
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I will say I am amazed at how many people will just accept what a company says at face value.

Sorry, but not all of us run around with tin foil hats in our back pockets. 

 Difference between tin foil hats and rational thinking.

 

Physical copies are still for sale -> therefore stopping digital sales doesn't stop queues from increasing. -> their reasoning makes little sense.

 

How many products have you bought where the commercials say something like "Best coffee ever" or other similar things. Since it would apparently require a tin foil hat to think that maybe they are exagerating the claims that it is the best coffee ever.

  User Deleted
9/07/12 12:43:26 PM#22
Originally posted by Eletheryl
Originally posted by Zeymere

So why did they stop selling the digital copy?  For a game that is not subscription based this really concerns me.  It is very odd.  Please enlighten me.

Is easy, to no open more servers and hire more people to manage them. The population will drop after the 1st month, just wait, after the release of MoP, sell will be open once again

Its unliky the majority people playing Guild Wars 2 now are simply playing to fill in time for MoP . If they were WoW fans they would be playing now for the new patch . I'm actually playing WoW as we speak and a lot of people are talking about GW2 . Its not all negative either . On the other hand the latest WoW patch has been poorly recieved by many players especially the new character trees . I have my doubt MoP will sort out many of the underlying issues which are leading players to quit in thier millions . They may get a brief bounce in subs but whether they keep them will depend a lot on the quality of MoP . I doubt many of these returning players will be from GW2 .

As for the downloads I think they ll be back up when they can catch up with demand . Logically thats the most viable explanation  . GW2 seems to be the new cool .

  Nadia

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9/07/12 12:43:33 PM#23
Originally posted by kevjards

reason i think this is because if they let more in before they have sorted the problems out it could end up giving them more of a headache than it already is..

atm people who have been hacked are told they will have accounts back within 72 hrs or at least their tickets will be.

if they allow more into the game without solving the current problems they are asking for a bigger headache..they will get there evenually..its just going to take time..other peoples opinion will differ.

agree ANET is suffering launch pains

 

5 days ago (sunday), ANET announced they hired 28 new support reps

- and ANET is still hiring support reps to meet the demand

  Xzen

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9/07/12 12:43:50 PM#24
The only info we have on "why" comes from the company it self. Take their word for it or put your tinfoil hat on.
  Alot

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9/07/12 12:44:04 PM#25


Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by Woopin

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf Unfortunately I would also never quote a company to find the real answer either. PR is big in the corporate world and everything is spun into a positive no matter what it is.
But we can see the servers are packed and support taking a long time to reply. So what they have said has pretty much been true so far. I doubt they are ignoring support tickets..
 Correlation is not causation.

 

Just because they have a queue (like every single major MMO does at launch), does not mean that they stopped online sales because of that. It actually makes no sense at all because people could just go out and buy all the physical copies to continue to make the queues worse.


Many retailers are sold out as well. And I'm very sorry to disappoint you, but I'd rather accept ArenaNet's official statement on the matter than the baseless (conspiracy) theory of an anonymous forum user.

I guess that makes me a mad, blind fanboy.

  Adiaris

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9/07/12 12:45:07 PM#26
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I will say I am amazed at how many people will just accept what a company says at face value. It could be the truth it could not be the truth. The reason you don't know is companies spin/hide/lie about the truth all the time.

 

I have to wonder if those same people listen to a political speech and just walk away going "Man so many truthful things I never knew before!"

My job is to do exactly that, and while you tend to leave out stuff, not say things, focus on other things... you very rarely flat-out lie black on white in official communications to public or press, especially when it's not necessary.

  Astropuyo

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9/07/12 12:45:48 PM#27
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Originally posted by Dfix
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I will say I am amazed at how many people will just accept what a company says at face value.

Sorry, but not all of us run around with tin foil hats in our back pockets. 

 Difference between tin foil hats and rational thinking.

 

Physical copies are still for sale -> therefore stopping digital sales doesn't stop queues from increasing. -> their reasoning makes little sense.

 

How many products have you bought where the commercials say something like "Best coffee ever" or other similar things. Since it would apparently require a tin foil hat to think that maybe they are exagerating the claims that it is the best coffee ever.

 

You can buy digital still at gamestop, they still have plenty of active keys, same with amazon.

They've stopped digital on their side, as I said they are cutting into the bottom lines of retailers and Anet is avoiding a anti-trust style thing.

 

Look don't insult tinfoil hatters, I'm a tin foil hatter. I read and reason all the facts not just one side.

This guy is looking for empty debate though and nothing more.

 

A common look up at the market would simply end this stupidity.

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  User Deleted
9/07/12 12:46:12 PM#28
Originally posted by gravesworn
I was on guild wars 2 website yesterday and they had a large front page focus on employment. So mybe....

If you ask the tin foil hat brigade on here they will tell you that is because all the developers quit out of shame, and went to go work on a better sandbox MMO.

It couldnt possibly be because the game and ANet are doing well.

  SnarlingWolf

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9/07/12 12:52:03 PM#29
Originally posted by Adiaris
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I will say I am amazed at how many people will just accept what a company says at face value. It could be the truth it could not be the truth. The reason you don't know is companies spin/hide/lie about the truth all the time.

 

I have to wonder if those same people listen to a political speech and just walk away going "Man so many truthful things I never knew before!"

My job is to do exactly that, and while you tend to leave out stuff, not say things, focus on other things... you very rarely flat-out lie black on white in official communications to public or press, especially when it's not necessary.

 It wouldn't be a flat out lie.

 

They are experiencing high volume, there is already some truth in it right there. They could have decided that when they hit this amount of players they would halt digital sales.... they also likely would have had that plan in place before launch ever happened.

My suggested reasoning for it is more of a deal with retailers on how many digital copies can be sold compared to physical copies. Nothing in the announcement from ANet disputes that and everything they said could be part of the reasons for that decision. But at the same time you'd never come out and say "We need to sell more physical copies first because of a publication deal" because certain silly people would revolt at the idea and start talking about retail store boycotts and etc.

 

To put it simply, I never said they went out of their way to flat out lie. I'm saying there is almost no communication that comes out of a company that isn't spun, adjusted, tweaked to sound better. The problem is that people always flat out believe it.

People are showing quotes from CoH where they said 2012 was shaping up to be one of the best years yet. They naturally assumed that meant profits were well and the game was doing great. In fact the contect of that statement was to what the development team was adding to the game and in no way reflect how the game was doing. But by spinning the information in certain ways it makes people believe other things.

 

Blindly believe if you want. It just helps me understand why advertising works so well when I thought as a society we'd learn to think beyond what we're told.

  Astropuyo

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9/07/12 12:52:13 PM#30

I waited until 12 am at night for the pre-release.

Perhaps because I remembered how hard it was to find GW1 when it first came out.

This game was bound to sell out everywhere.

 

It's a mmorpg without a sub. Come on now. And the fact people can buy it and play it forever makes it a great gift.

I watched some odd looking guy grab 5 box sets on pre-release.

 

So yeah. I can imagine how digital direct from the publisher would devastate the bottom the dollar of a industry that really needs infusion.

 

Anet is doing two things, sticking legal, and contributing to the economy. They don't really have to stop selling digital, they recognize though faulty cases and the long run business is at stake.

 

Give em credit for that.

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  krakra70

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9/07/12 12:52:30 PM#31
Originally posted by Zeymere

So why did they stop selling the digital copy?  For a game that is not subscription based this really concerns me.  It is very odd.  Please enlighten me.

The game is in a bad shape atm. People are getting hacked left and right, the high level zones are buggy as hell, sPvP is bugged, new gamebreaking bugs emerge every day, class balance is WAY off etc. We are essentially still in beta. Most of the people who started in day 1 have already quit or are playing way less (see sharply declining xfire numbers). They want to fix the major problems first before they let new people in so they improve the game's player retention.

  SnarlingWolf

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9/07/12 12:53:51 PM#32
Originally posted by Astropuyo
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Originally posted by Dfix
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I will say I am amazed at how many people will just accept what a company says at face value.

Sorry, but not all of us run around with tin foil hats in our back pockets. 

 Difference between tin foil hats and rational thinking.

 

Physical copies are still for sale -> therefore stopping digital sales doesn't stop queues from increasing. -> their reasoning makes little sense.

 

How many products have you bought where the commercials say something like "Best coffee ever" or other similar things. Since it would apparently require a tin foil hat to think that maybe they are exagerating the claims that it is the best coffee ever.

 

You can buy digital still at gamestop, they still have plenty of active keys, same with amazon.

They've stopped digital on their side, as I said they are cutting into the bottom lines of retailers and Anet is avoiding a anti-trust style thing.

 

Look don't insult tinfoil hatters, I'm a tin foil hatter. I read and reason all the facts not just one side.

This guy is looking for empty debate though and nothing more.

 

A common look up at the market would simply end this stupidity.

 I'm looking for empty debate? Look at my first post on here which is what all this back and forth is from and you will see I say that I believe the reason is because of a deal with retailors and how many copies they can sell directly vs the amount retailers sell. And since you just said that SAME EXACT THING and then say I'm out for empty debate..... what does that make your argument?

  Adiaris

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9/07/12 12:54:52 PM#33
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Originally posted by Adiaris
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I will say I am amazed at how many people will just accept what a company says at face value. It could be the truth it could not be the truth. The reason you don't know is companies spin/hide/lie about the truth all the time.

 

I have to wonder if those same people listen to a political speech and just walk away going "Man so many truthful things I never knew before!"

My job is to do exactly that, and while you tend to leave out stuff, not say things, focus on other things... you very rarely flat-out lie black on white in official communications to public or press, especially when it's not necessary.

 It wouldn't be a flat out lie.

 

They are experiencing high volume, there is already some truth in it right there. They could have decided that when they hit this amount of players they would halt digital sales.... they also likely would have had that plan in place before launch ever happened.

My suggested reasoning for it is more of a deal with retailers on how many digital copies can be sold compared to physical copies. Nothing in the announcement from ANet disputes that and everything they said could be part of the reasons for that decision. But at the same time you'd never come out and say "We need to sell more physical copies first because of a publication deal" because certain silly people would revolt at the idea and start talking about retail store boycotts and etc.

 

To put it simply, I never said they went out of their way to flat out lie. I'm saying there is almost no communication that comes out of a company that isn't spun, adjusted, tweaked to sound better. The problem is that people always flat out believe it.

People are showing quotes from CoH where they said 2012 was shaping up to be one of the best years yet. They naturally assumed that meant profits were well and the game was doing great. In fact the contect of that statement was to what the development team was adding to the game and in no way reflect how the game was doing. But by spinning the information in certain ways it makes people believe other things.

 

Blindly believe if you want. It just helps me understand why advertising works so well when I thought as a society we'd learn to think beyond what we're told.

Sorry, I quoted you but I was referring to your response generically in regard to companies and lying.. not necessarily the specific issue at hand. In fact, it is not necessary to flat out lie to make people believe what you'd like them to. So, I actually sort of agree with you ;)

 

 

  FrodoFragins

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9/07/12 12:55:29 PM#34
Originally posted by Astropuyo

This is one of the reasons the game market is tanking, direct from publisher effects many jobs in retail.

Start thinking like adults and less like every company is out to kill/steal from you.

This is simply them abiding by the law and looking cool doing it.

What are you talking about?  Every retailer knows that publishers sell their games online in competition with them.  This has nothing to do with antitrust.  I've never heard of another MMO halting their own digital sales, not even the record selling SWTOR.

 

Regarding what others have said, I guess it's possible that they made a deal with retailers that they would garner a certain % of overall sales.  I doubt it, but it's possible.  If that's the case suspending only their own sales would help in that area.

 

It's telling that they didn't stop ALL digital sales of their product.  They only stopped their own sales.

  Fozzik

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9/07/12 12:56:14 PM#35

All those other explanations are clearly just corporate marketing hype. Ignore what everyone else says. I have the reason why they stopped first-party digital sales, and it's quite obvious common sense once you think about it.


They stopped selling because they hate money and don't want any more.

  Astropuyo

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9/07/12 12:56:22 PM#36
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Originally posted by Astropuyo
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Originally posted by Dfix
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I will say I am amazed at how many people will just accept what a company says at face value.

Sorry, but not all of us run around with tin foil hats in our back pockets. 

 Difference between tin foil hats and rational thinking.

 

Physical copies are still for sale -> therefore stopping digital sales doesn't stop queues from increasing. -> their reasoning makes little sense.

 

How many products have you bought where the commercials say something like "Best coffee ever" or other similar things. Since it would apparently require a tin foil hat to think that maybe they are exagerating the claims that it is the best coffee ever.

 

You can buy digital still at gamestop, they still have plenty of active keys, same with amazon.

They've stopped digital on their side, as I said they are cutting into the bottom lines of retailers and Anet is avoiding a anti-trust style thing.

 

Look don't insult tinfoil hatters, I'm a tin foil hatter. I read and reason all the facts not just one side.

This guy is looking for empty debate though and nothing more.

 

A common look up at the market would simply end this stupidity.

 I'm looking for empty debate? Look at my first post on here which is what all this back and forth is from and you will see I say that I believe the reason is because of a deal with retailors and how many copies they can sell directly vs the amount retailers sell. And since you just said that SAME EXACT THING and then say I'm out for empty debate..... what does that make your argument?

Calm it down sunshine, the multi quote is on the fritz, if we have of the same opinion and multiple people are in the quote...who do not share such opinion shouldn't you be reasonable and deduce it's probably not you?

 

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  FrodoFragins

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9/07/12 12:56:35 PM#37
Originally posted by krakra70

The game is in a bad shape atm. People are getting hacked left and right, the high level zones are buggy as hell, sPvP is bugged, new gamebreaking bugs emerge every day, class balance is WAY off etc. We are essentially still in beta. Most of the people who started in day 1 have already quit or are playing way less (see sharply declining xfire numbers). They want to fix the major problems first before they let new people in so they improve the game's player retention.

The queues for WvWvW and my still ending up in overflow servers say otherwise.

 

Nice try though.

  ShakyMo

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9/07/12 12:58:55 PM#38
1 lack of capacity, not enough servers or support staff
2 marketing, looks good to have "game so good its sold out" headlines
  FrodoFragins

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9/07/12 12:59:09 PM#39
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Originally posted by Dfix
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

I will say I am amazed at how many people will just accept what a company says at face value.

Sorry, but not all of us run around with tin foil hats in our back pockets. 

 Difference between tin foil hats and rational thinking.

 

Physical copies are still for sale -> therefore stopping digital sales doesn't stop queues from increasing. -> their reasoning makes little sense.

 

How many products have you bought where the commercials say something like "Best coffee ever" or other similar things. Since it would apparently require a tin foil hat to think that maybe they are exagerating the claims that it is the best coffee ever.

I think it would be a hard sell for ANET to force their retailers to stop selling their game.  Especially stores that allocate space on the floor.  Things would have to be catastrophic for them to do something like that.  The only way they could really do that would be to buy back their product from the retailers. 

  kevjards

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9/07/12 1:01:37 PM#40
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by kevjards

reason i think this is because if they let more in before they have sorted the problems out it could end up giving them more of a headache than it already is..

atm people who have been hacked are told they will have accounts back within 72 hrs or at least their tickets will be.

if they allow more into the game without solving the current problems they are asking for a bigger headache..they will get there evenually..its just going to take time..other peoples opinion will differ.

agree ANET is suffering launch pains

 

5 days ago (sunday), ANET announced they hired 28 new support reps

- and ANET is still hiring support reps to meet the demand

i have to admit.its quite scary..if thhey hired more peeps to deal with support,they must be having serious problems.imo it would have been better if they had an authenticator in place..i,m sure they will do at some point soon.i,m just not sure i will get my account back.time will tell i suppose.

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