Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

 

I won't get into a discussion about this, but when you can buy 8gold for $50 using the in-game system it can actually be considered P2W. Not that i'm calling it that, but it can be.

Also, him being NOT an avid MMO player does actually make his impression pointless. He's making broad sweeping comments about how GW2 is the end-all-be-all that we've seen repeated on these forums and shut down by even rabid Fanbois of GW2.

It's like me making sweeping broad statements about new Car Components that just came out regardless of the fact I have no idea what i'm talking about.

Wow, can't disagree more. Now you have to be an mmo vet to have valid impressions??

No, but you have to have some form of experience other than trying WoW for a month or so before generalizing the genre to your own expectations.

This is probably what's wrong with our market.

What I do know is that if you don't have the experience or knowledge for a given realm of information you have no business giving your "impressions". Again, it is not dissimilar to a Gun Collector giving his "impressions" of a Car from a Car Collector point of view when you have no experience collecting cars.

You can disagree, but it doesn't make his impression anymore valid than Jeremy Clarkson's "impressions" of Guild Wars 2.

This guys impressions are coming from a video game player that admitetly so does not play to many mmos. Of course in our genre we have folks that hate when someone from the outside talks about an mmo game, usually because its bad. In this case its because he loved it and you pretty much have an agenda against it.

 

I think that mmo players need to be more open to others trying our genre thats the only way it will grow. Yes, I know growth brings a lot of bad with it but it also brings a lot of good. The folks that watch this guy's videos are probably people that don't play too many mmos and to actually have them see one he likes might encourage them and grow our genre. So I find HIS personal impressions very valid.

So damn true.

Honestly MMOs weren't my thing either(I tried betas of many) but the exact things Angry Joe said is the [exact] reasons I digg GW2.

I first started off keeping an eye on SWTOR but some things where off, so Tera and GW2 really gave me good impressions from demos(one of my friends made it into Tera close beta and I like what I saw back then).

Originally posted by JimmyYO

Probably the most bias review ever, he doesn't even mention the auction house or the many down for maintenace messages you get in game. Complete lack of security and non existent customer service. Absense of any real endgame. Those are some of the games biggest problems and he doesn't touch on any of them? The only big issue he does mention is the WvW ques and that's only because he would lose all credibilitty whatsoever if he didn't.

The game is worth $60 but is hardly the best thing since sliced bread and wouldn't be special if it wasn't B2P.

I hate saying this, but his review seems payed off, even though it probably isn't.

He does the classic GW2 fanboy mistake of listing things as "new and exciting" when they're really not. New, I mean. That just comes of as extremely weird to me. It's not like we can't fact-check these things, or know them from experience?

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

He's making broad sweeping comments about how GW2 is the end-all-be-all that we've seen repeated on these forums and shut down by even rabid Fanbois of GW2.

Angry Joe GW2 quote from his summary: 

GW2 puts a spin on old ideas, improving them

sounds realistic to me

Originally posted by dzoni87

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Couple things to take away from this:

-He's not an avid MMO player. He's essentially a console player who tried MMOs but never got into them because he had to pay $15/month for constant content updates.

-He likes the "casual" gameplay of GW2

-He has no real experience with MMOs to be making broad sweeping generalizations like he does in this video.

Oh no, how dare he not to be. Beause of that his impression is pointless. 

Let me first state that I don't care about GW2 at all, it's success or failure means nothing to me. Having said that I have to agree with Faded, in this case his impressions are quite pointless.

I mean, how many complaint threads have been posted by members with low post counts? Most of them are just brushed aside by the GW2 community here. They're called trolls, told that their opinion doesn't matter and then forgotten about. It seems to me that, at least on these boards, if your not an avid poster then your opinion doesn't mean sqaut. We should hold this review to that same standard. He admittedly doesn't play MMOs that often, so he isn't qualified to judge the quality of this game.

I wonder if when Yahtzee's eventual review comes out and he (more than likely) doesn't care much for the game, will you GW2 fans be okay with that? Or, will all of you say that his reviews aren't serious and criticize the fact that he too doesn't much care for MMOs?

Originally posted by KhinRunite

Originally posted by Medicated03
SMH... i stopped watching after he said combat is skill based allowing you to kill monsters many levels higher than you.... wonder if he even played the game lol.

Low level mobs are pushovers. Starting level 25 I noticed some mobs are harder than the others. It also becomes harder to 3 vs 1 them unlike when I was level 11, requiring me to be more mindful of my usage of skills.

Originally posted by Stizzled

Originally posted by dzoni87

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Couple things to take away from this:

-He's not an avid MMO player. He's essentially a console player who tried MMOs but never got into them because he had to pay $15/month for constant content updates.

-He likes the "casual" gameplay of GW2

-He has no real experience with MMOs to be making broad sweeping generalizations like he does in this video.

Oh no, how dare he not to be. Beause of that his impression is pointless. 

Let me first state that I don't care about GW2 at all, it's success or failure means nothing to me. Having said that I have to agree with Faded, in this case his impressions are quite pointless.

 

I mean, how many complaint threads have been posted by members with low post counts? Most of them are just brushed aside by the GW2 community here. They're called trolls, told that their opinion doesn't matter and then forgotten about. It seems to me that, at least on these boards, if your not an avid poster then your opinion doesn't mean sqaut. We should hold this review to that same standard. He admittedly doesn't play MMOs that often, so he isn't qualified to judge the quality of this game.

 

I wonder if when Yahtzee's eventual review comes out and he (more than likely) doesn't care much for the game, will you GW2 fans be okay with that? Or, will all of you say that his reviews aren't serious and criticize the fact that he too doesn't much care for MMOs?

I don't play Yahtzee so if he gives it a 10 I will say good for Yahtzee players. I won't start hating the Yahtzee players because I like Uno.

He doesnt like monthly fee huh, like so many others who think that means its free.

Also he likes the game for all the features that is not mmorpg, which is one of the reason he never played one.

Enthusiastic Joe does have some good points still. Combat still looks bit too chaotic and just like WoW its just too much of a lightshow in which you loose the tactical aspect.. ever played a tank in WoW ?

Love the idea of hearts instead of quests, hard to tell if hearts really are different or still just quest systems in another wrap. Another review mentioned he was lvl 80 in 80 hours, thats way t00 fast. Personal err "personal" storylines and replayability in those.. sigh get the f out of mmorpgs, and spend that efford on clever replayable gameplay. No no dont get me wrong there are loads of nice new features and approaches, but some of them are just not that roleplay-ish.

Well anyways, Im sure I will play it someday for the pvp, old fart out.

After watching this video, I went and canceled my WoW accounts and MoP pre-orders. I haven't even logged into WoW other than to check my mail since GW2 launched.  

Originally posted by Yaevindusk

I found this review to be interesting, so I thought that I'd post it in the review section.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax-_06Acj8Y&feature=player_embedded#!

 

Just a heads up for those who find his videos entertaining or are on the fence and want an in depth video on game play and someone's opinion on it.

 

Note:  The video may contain profanity.

I've never had this much fun watching any other reviewers like totalbiscuit or yogscast but I gotta say 

this guy is funny, articulate and just genius I'm a fan already because he makes me laugh so hard while presenting some facts. Sure he's not perfect he got some of the info wrong like for example hearts are not really main quests or anything like that and he didn't know about the trading post at all but overall his inthousiasm is contagious.

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Couple things to take away from this:

-He's not an avid MMO player. He's essentially a console player who tried MMOs but never got into them because he had to pay $15/month for constant content updates.

-He likes the "casual" gameplay of GW2

-He has no real experience with MMOs to be making broad sweeping generalizations like he does in this video.

 

Quite frankly PayToPlay subscription model is still going strong, and will for quite some time as long as people demand quality over quantity.

 

 

Wait 6months from now to judge GW2, but their cash-shop is steadily becoming a sore issue at hand.

 

 

This is what happens when a game reviewer with a moderate amount of popularity gets swept up in what we call the "Honey Moon" period for an MMO before you actually know what's going on.

You say that like it's a taboo or some shit like that, I was originally a console player myself years ago and even though I have only played mmo's for the last 5 years I've always thought that mmo's were lacking many features console players take for granted since the 90's 

just because it's the mmorpg genre doesn't mean all mmo's need to be the same boring shit copy pasted and skinned differently all the time. Imagine if the action adventure genre on consoles was like that it would've died ions ago LOL

And yes from a console player's perspective paying a monthly fee to play a game you already bought and own is insane and plain stupidity.

This guy is not an MMORPG player... point of this review = moot. ( If you care about what an MMORPG should be )

Heres a quote I took somewhere in this thread that tells you a lot about what type of people enjoy this game.

"Honestly MMOs weren't my thing either"

and

THEY STILL AREN'T YOUR THING DUDE!

What you people call MMORPGs today just aren't.

Glad you all found the casual gem you were looking for though, but don't be delusional about it... its a travesty.

Originally posted by Demogorgon

This guy is not an MMORPG player... point of this review = moot. ( If you care about what an MMORPG should be )

Heres a quote I took somewhere in this thread that tells you a lot about what type of people enjoy this game.

 

"Honestly MMOs weren't my thing either"

and

THEY STILL AREN'T YOUR THING DUDE!

What you people call MMORPGs today just aren't.

Glad you all found the casual gem you were looking for though, but don't be delusional about it... its a travesty.

 

everything changes with time and the genre needed to evolve and change, this from a former console player now a mmorpg player for years LOL, keep driving your Ford model T, I will gladly drive my Ferrari around. to put it another way, would you go back to 4:3 screen format? NO of course NOT, LOL widescreen is so much better.

this analogy fits your silly idea of what an mmorpg should always be, the same old boring grindy copy pasted shitty uninspired cookie cutter clones out there. I've played so many mmorpg's it makes my head spin just thinking about it and the sad thing is they are all the same, they don't even try to change things up spice them up a bit no GOD forbid they try to change the yee old formula....!

Originally posted by Demogorgon

This guy is not an MMORPG player... point of this review = moot. ( If you care about what an MMORPG should be )

Heres a quote I took somewhere in this thread that tells you a lot about what type of people enjoy this game.

 

"Honestly MMOs weren't my thing either"

and

THEY STILL AREN'T YOUR THING DUDE!

What you people call MMORPGs today just aren't.

Glad you all found the casual gem you were looking for though, but don't be delusional about it... its a travesty.

 

Pleas enlighten us all as to what an MMORPG is. After all, none of us have been playing them for a decade+ now and we have absolutely no idea what one is...

BTW I like this from you: "MMORPGs are dead anyways, GW 2 isn't an exception here. I'm picking on it simply for the ridiculous ammount of hype that it gets."

Please troll harder. You hatred is amusing.

Awesome review! Tho, he kept reminding me of Delboy(those arm moves and over the top dramatic voice...)! He sounded Like he was trying to convince me to buy GW 2 lolz. And if that's angry...

I still prefer TotalHalibut. He sounds grounded and Like a true gamer(imo), while Joe sounds Like a computer games salesman. That's all IMO ;)

I bet some absurd percentage of the WoW players weren't MMORPG players and wouldn't be MMORPGs players if not for it.

The "MMORPG" players are a minority within the MMORPG genre.

If the MMORPG industry cater exclusively to the 1-2 million "MMORPG" player it will never be more than a tiny niche.

Originally posted by Demogorgon

This guy is not an MMORPG player... point of this review = moot. ( If you care about what an MMORPG should be )

Heres a quote I took somewhere in this thread that tells you a lot about what type of people enjoy this game.

 

"Honestly MMOs weren't my thing either"

and

THEY STILL AREN'T YOUR THING DUDE!

What i call MMORPGs today just aren't anymore.

Glad you all found the casual gem you were looking for though, but don't be delusional about it... its a travesty.

 

Fixed.

Originally posted by nsignific

I hate saying this, but his review seems payed off, even though it probably isn't.

He does the classic GW2 fanboy mistake of listing things as "new and exciting" when they're really not. New, I mean. That just comes of as extremely weird to me. It's not like we can't fact-check these things, or know them from experience?

You really should see some more of Joes reviews, he is not paid off and give a rather low general score for his reviews, he is far less generous than most others.

New and exciting means he hadnt seen them before, not that no MMO hadnt used a similar mechanic. Heck, there are some stuff in the game I never seen in a MMO before, like the jumping puzzles, and I have been playing since Meridian 59 came out.

Joe reviews all kinds of games, not just MMOs or even PC games and also movies and some other stuff. So his view might be a little different from someone who only play MMOs but that does not really make it invalid.