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  Nikkita

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Joined: 11/25/10
Posts: 830

9/07/12 9:23:02 AM#141
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by dreamer05
 

 


 

I don't care about UT. I am discussing MMOS  and i will only talk in terms of how rewards work in MMO genre.

You can not just cherry pick one feature like PVP out of all other activities and say 'working as a team and winning is your reward'.

It holds true for other activities too like DE for example. And since everything in GW2 is team orientied shouldn't winning the encounter be reward enough? if yes don't single out PVP alone . By the way stats also matter in PVP, even though you are bumped to lvl 80, the stats of lvl 80 does make it easier for him say compared to level 30..yes not to the extent of other gear based MMOs but i wouldn't completely count it out of the PVP.

I am sure Anet is going to add rewards for PVP at some time however i completely disagree with the excuses to explain lack of rewards on release.

You don't care about UT which is exactly why you are missing the point, as that is directly comparable with instanced/e-sport/battlegrounds which is exactly what sPvP is. It is not cherry picking at all, you have a progression based mmo-like game world. And then you have a zero progression based, e-sport lobby set up. They are quite distinct and separate from one another.

 

Are you seriously telling me you can't distinguish between a pve progression based metric which includes progression based rewards and a stand alone pvp component which is all about pvp and winning matches?

 

In sPvP you all get access to exactly the same stats and abilities, maybe you are confusing it with WvWvW in which character progression does matter even though you are bumped to 80. Again there is also a massive difference between sPvP and WvWvW.

 

Lack of rewards btw, you mean aside from bragging rights, ranks, armour set skins, titles, tournament wins. You really need it to give you a +1 sword of shinies and some gold? Even though giving one person access to different stuff to everyone else kinda fucks up the whole idea of instanced/e-sport gaming?

 

 

What is wrong with giving people incentives to compete? you are telling me that will somehow reduce the team effort ? or will make winning meaningless? the point here is not whether one is  progression based while other is more akin to UT matches. The point here is you trying to define something as subjective as 'FUN'. So it might not be fun for you but maybe for others it is more fun if they get some tangible rewards to go with it.

Nice strawman there by the way reagrding +1 sword as a reward, becaus i never said any such thing .

edit ; i was talking regarding 'rewards' for PVP both in SPVP and WvW. 


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  dzoni87

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Joined: 10/23/08
Posts: 553

9/07/12 9:26:48 AM#142

Whats with all these people leveling to like... level 9 and judging an MMORPG according to it?

Did MMORPGers changed this much?

Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2
Waiting for: Pathfinder Online

  monarc333

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9/07/12 9:26:54 AM#143

I'm getting the impression more and more, especialy from folks on this site, that people are burnt out on the genre. GW2 is a great game, but it wont seem so great if you hold to a romantic idea of what you think you should feel from playing an mmo.  GW2 wont give you that special feeling you got when you first played, or when you were at the peak of your playing.  I know all this because I went though it also. That feeling I got when I walked into Darnassus in 2004, and the booming music and the huge tree and that small feeling I felt surrounded by it all, that feeling is gone. And it took a long time for me to understand that.

Actually, I just realized it with TOR. I thought I could get that feeling back and once I saw it bomb, i realized, no, its gone. But whats in its place is a laidback understanding to accept games for what they are and appreciate them for what they do. Yea GW2 is themepark, but so what? Is the game fun? Thats my only critieria these days. That incessant need to grind for better and better gear has gone. Perhaphs its a function of where I am in life; married and in my 30's.

But if you accept GW2 for what it is, if you can take a step back and enjoy it for what it does, without the hype and the past expecations you might find a really fun game. Just a thought.

  oubers

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/14/11
Posts: 881

9/07/12 9:35:31 AM#144
Originally posted by dreamer05
Originally posted by oubers
Originally posted by Dakeru
Originally posted by dreamer05

 I enjoy the classes 

  The way they did class skills is extremely boring

Contradicting much?

the world is beautiful

And I'm sure you saw a lot of the world at level 9.

 

 owned.....bigtime...

Owned.... If you don't have the capability to understand the English language beyond a 3rd grade level.  Read again.

 yeah my bad....i DID miss read your post.....but not everyone has the english language as there native one.....so you never make a mistake huh....you must be perfect then......sorry i missread your post mister perfect.

I read these forum in between when working so i tend to make a mistake here and there.

  dzoni87

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Joined: 10/23/08
Posts: 553

9/07/12 9:37:04 AM#145
Originally posted by monarc333

I'm getting the impression more and more, especialy from folks on this site, that people are burnt out on the genre. GW2 is a great game, but it wont seem so great if you hold to a romantic idea of what you think you should feel from playing an mmo.  GW2 wont give you that special feeling you got when you first played, or when you were at the peak of your playing.  I know all this because I went though it also. That feeling I got when I walked into Darnassus in 2004, and the booming music and the huge tree and that small feeling I felt surrounded by it all, that feeling is gone. And it took a long time for me to understand that.

Actually, I just realized it with TOR. I thought I could get that feeling back and once I saw it bomb, i realized, no, its gone. But whats in its place is a laidback understanding to accept games for what they are and appreciate them for what they do. Yea GW2 is themepark, but so what? Is the game fun? Thats my only critieria these days. That incessant need to grind for better and better gear has gone. Perhaphs its a function of where I am in life; married and in my 30's.

But if you accept GW2 for what it is, if you can take a step back and enjoy it for what it does, without the hype and the past expecations you might find a really fun game. Just a thought.

Exactly this.

I find people who likes MMORPGs in general have no problems with playing and enjoying the game. Others... well... can be burnout of the genre as a whole. Espacially those "i made to level 5 and quitted" guys.

Well... to each their own i guess...

Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2
Waiting for: Pathfinder Online

  User Deleted
9/07/12 9:52:50 AM#146
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by dreamer05
 

 


 


 

What is wrong with giving people incentives to compete? you are telling me that will somehow reduce the team effort ? or will make winning meaningless? the point here is not whether one is  progression based while other is more akin to UT matches. The point here is you trying to define something as subjective as 'FUN'. So it might not be fun for you but maybe for others it is more fun if they get some tangible rewards to go with it.

Nice strawman there by the way reagrding +1 sword as a reward, becaus i never said any such thing .

edit ; i was talking regarding 'rewards' for PVP both in SPVP and WvW. 

Well actually whether or not it was progression based or stand alone was kind of important.

 

People do have incentives to compete btw.

 

1. The incentive to have general fun pvping with and against other people in dynamic combat. This is kind of the most improtant thing.

2. The incentive to win matches.

3. The incentive to improve, work out your best fit for traits and skills.

4. The incentive to get involved in tournament competitions.

5. The incentive to gain ranks.

6. The incentive to unlock pvp reward items and titles.

 

There is nothing wrong with giving people incentives, there is though something clearly wrong it seems to me if people can't see past the carrot and actually enjoy gameplay for what it is. "Ooh I can't do sPvP because I don't get given enough stuffs" just seems odd to me, especially when sPvP is all about... the pvp.
  gestalt11

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Joined: 5/17/06
Posts: 6169

9/07/12 11:11:08 AM#147

If you can't get past level 9 then you have a problem.   You may never like this particular game, but there is no way you have even come close to a decent survey of the game or have even gotten much of a feel for a class and getting to level 9 doesn't take much time.

 

The issue here must be something deeper than just this game.

 

 

  IMPYRE

Elite Member

Joined: 9/27/04
Posts: 2913

Yes, I have a question. When did you turn into a nutbar?

9/07/12 11:15:38 AM#148

@ OP

I am a middle road type of player when it comes to GW2, however I didn't start enjoying the game until I found the right profession to play. I tried out a Ranger and Guardiand and coudn't get into it currently. Then finally my buddy said to try out the Engineer profession and what do you know, I am level 27 now.

Now I am not saying changing your profession may change your mind, but it did for me. Now  I have a level 14 Ranger and Level 15 Guardian on top of my Level 27 Engineer.

 

 

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6508

"I fight so you don't have to."

9/07/12 11:19:20 AM#149
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by Nikkita
Originally posted by bunnyhopper
Originally posted by dreamer05
 

 


 


 

What is wrong with giving people incentives to compete? you are telling me that will somehow reduce the team effort ? or will make winning meaningless? the point here is not whether one is  progression based while other is more akin to UT matches. The point here is you trying to define something as subjective as 'FUN'. So it might not be fun for you but maybe for others it is more fun if they get some tangible rewards to go with it.

Nice strawman there by the way reagrding +1 sword as a reward, becaus i never said any such thing .

edit ; i was talking regarding 'rewards' for PVP both in SPVP and WvW. 

Well actually whether or not it was progression based or stand alone was kind of important.

 

People do have incentives to compete btw.

 

1. The incentive to have general fun pvping with and against other people in dynamic combat. This is kind of the most improtant thing.

2. The incentive to win matches.

3. The incentive to improve, work out your best fit for traits and skills.

4. The incentive to get involved in tournament competitions.

5. The incentive to gain ranks.

6. The incentive to unlock pvp reward items and titles.

 

There is nothing wrong with giving people incentives, there is though something clearly wrong it seems to me if people can't see past the carrot and actually enjoy gameplay for what it is. "Ooh I can't do sPvP because I don't get given enough stuffs" just seems odd to me, especially when sPvP is all about... the pvp.

Well the thing is that if I am going to play PvP just for the sake of PvP I will play League of Legends. I want the PvP in my MMORPGs to be in some context and that the outcome leads to something.

  dreamer05

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/18/05
Posts: 543

 
OP  9/07/12 11:52:40 AM#150
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by dreamer05
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by dreamer05
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by oubers
Originally posted by Dakeru
Originally posted by dreamer05

 I enjoy the classes 

  The way they did class skills is extremely boring

Contradicting much?

the world is beautiful

And I'm sure you saw a lot of the world at level 9.

 

 owned.....bigtime...

 

The OP is just another of the long chain of low activity old accounts that we have seen necroed in order to sling shit at the wall about this game, full of contradicting negative 'personal opinion', while claiming to have previously 'been a fan'. Take it as it appears is my advice and be aware of why people post. It isn't always just fans wanting to chat.

Even if I accept that this is all legit... What 'rewards' was he/ she (because I put no faith in the truth of the owner of the account) expecting by level 9? A gold plated hand job? What does he/ she know about the classes at that point? How long does it even take to get to 9 in this game?

Even if I put any faith in it all, I would still disregard the opinion of anyone who has only given the game the briefest of looks before claiming any kind of boredom. I personally would consider that to be the users issue and not the game's.

 

GW2 isn't for everyone, no game is, and it won't suit a lot of folk's tastes. I am not offended by that. The launch has been a mess, and I am not offended by people talking about that either. Can you guess what I AM offended about though?

 

Haha low activity?  Look at my years of membership and posting consistency.  It's exactly the same.  In fact look at all my old previous posts and see if there is any evidence that you can use to back up your claim.  So pathetic.  I beg you, get a life.

 

You failed to understand. Account age has nothing to do with activity.

I don't 'claim' anything.

But... so what? You played, you claim, to Level 9... and you claim to now be bored. Fine. It's your right to express that (for whatever reason), and it is my right to dismiss it. The cycle continues.

You made your own claim that my account was inactive until GW2 came about... /snip

 

I did try to look at you post history but all I honestly saw was the first two pages of reeking attitude and outright hostility so I didn't read too much.

I accept you are not a shill though, I honestly do. A shill would be less agressive.

You must be joking.  You need help.  My OP is simply staking my feelings so far and looking to relate.  Your very first post was agressive and presumptive.  Not to mention every single post you've made in the forums that I can find is a negative, jaded, angry, immature rant or complaint.  Sorry you get your way more often than not in mommy's basement but people don't have to share your opinions all the time like she does.  It's perfectly acceptable for two adults to not enjoy the same game and not act like raving lunatics.  [mod edit]

 

 

AND IN GENERAL>>>  All these people saying I was quitting at level 9, that is certainly not what I was saying.  I was simply saying I was having a hard time finding motivation to log in.  Looking past all the of ignorantly angry posts there were actually very many helpful posts and I continued to play last night and am starting to see what those helpful people were saying.  Thank you for all who were very helpful and positive despite the fact that you dissagreed with my original opinion.  It's people like that that make me want to play the game, [mod edit]

"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."

  User Deleted
9/07/12 11:56:13 AM#151
I really think you need to have a sense of adventure to really enjoy GW2. I certainly enjoy it.
  Vesavius

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Joined: 3/08/04
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Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

9/07/12 11:58:31 AM#152
Originally posted by dreamer05
Originally posted by Vesaviu

 I did try to look at you post history but all I honestly saw was the first two pages of reeking attitude and outright hostility so I didn't read too much.

I accept you are not a shill though, I honestly do. A shill would be less agressive.

You must be joking.  You need help.  My OP is simply staking my feelings so far and looking to relate.  Your very first post was agressive and presumptive.  Not to mention every single post you've made in the forums that I can find is a negative, jaded, angry, immature rant or complaint.  Sorry you get your way more often than not in mommy's basement but people don't have to share your opinions all the time like she does.  It's perfectly acceptable for two adults to not enjoy the same game and not act like raving lunatics.  Leave the basement sweety, you'll feel better...

 

You are actually demonstrating my point.

  Vesavius

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Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.

9/07/12 12:10:21 PM#153
Originally posted by dreamer05
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by oubers
Originally posted by Dakeru
Originally posted by dreamer05

 I enjoy the classes 

  The way they did class skills is extremely boring

Contradicting much?

the world is beautiful

And I'm sure you saw a lot of the world at level 9.

 

 owned.....bigtime...

 

The OP is just another of the long chain of low activity old accounts that we have seen necroed in order to sling shit at the wall about this game, full of contradicting negative 'personal opinion', while claiming to have previously 'been a fan'. Take it as it appears is my advice and be aware of why people post. It isn't always just fans wanting to chat.

Even if I accept that this is all legit... What 'rewards' was he/ she (because I put no faith in the truth of the owner of the account) expecting by level 9? A gold plated hand job? What does he/ she know about the classes at that point? How long does it even take to get to 9 in this game?

Even if I put any faith in it all, I would still disregard the opinion of anyone who has only given the game the briefest of looks before claiming any kind of boredom. I personally would consider that to be the users issue and not the game's.

 

GW2 isn't for everyone, no game is, and it won't suit a lot of folk's tastes. I am not offended by that. The launch has been a mess, and I am not offended by people talking about that either. Can you guess what I AM offended about though?

 

You proved mine a looooong time ago.  Don't spea.. /snipped not read due to hostility and rudeness in general

 

This has been addressed, but you want to go over it all again?

lol no thanks, you aren't that fun and you are down to repeating yourself in your ranting.

Just gonna throw you on ignore now, way too much hard work, yes I am aware that won't stop another aggressive out pouring of your psyche, but ok, that's fine. Go for it :)

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9/07/12 12:11:48 PM#154
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Well the thing is that if I am going to play PvP just for the sake of PvP I will play League of Legends. I want the PvP in my MMORPGs to be in some context and that the outcome leads to something.

My previous post history will attest to the fact that whilst  I love e-sports, I think they are best suited to dedicated e-sport games whilst mmos should focus on massive scale combat with people taking over territories in a persistent world etc. So I hear you on that one...

 

BUT, when an mmorpg does include what is essentially stand alone, e-sport/battleground/instanced pvp mode and whether you like it or not GW2 does include that form of PvP. Then if you are partaking in that style of PvP then you should realise that it is about the competition itself, not about gettting shinies or earning stuff for your pve toon.

 

Just getting new stat items for taking part in an arena game is not adding context or meaning to it either as it happens.

  dreamer05

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OP  9/07/12 12:15:49 PM#155
Originally posted by monarc333

I'm getting the impression more and more, especialy from folks on this site, that people are burnt out on the genre. GW2 is a great game, but it wont seem so great if you hold to a romantic idea of what you think you should feel from playing an mmo.  GW2 wont give you that special feeling you got when you first played, or when you were at the peak of your playing.  I know all this because I went though it also. That feeling I got when I walked into Darnassus in 2004, and the booming music and the huge tree and that small feeling I felt surrounded by it all, that feeling is gone. And it took a long time for me to understand that.

Actually, I just realized it with TOR. I thought I could get that feeling back and once I saw it bomb, i realized, no, its gone. But whats in its place is a laidback understanding to accept games for what they are and appreciate them for what they do. Yea GW2 is themepark, but so what? Is the game fun? Thats my only critieria these days. That incessant need to grind for better and better gear has gone. Perhaphs its a function of where I am in life; married and in my 30's.

But if you accept GW2 for what it is, if you can take a step back and enjoy it for what it does, without the hype and the past expecations you might find a really fun game. Just a thought.

I really have been thinking this for a number of years.  I think it's hard when that feeling of your first MMO wears off and you can never find it again.  That aside I also feel as the genre has grown and become more dilluted me have just become so jaded that we can move back and forth from game to game without any real dedication or devotion to the game.  I'll hand it to the developers that we are a hard people to please.  There have been some really terrible games made, as well as some really good ones that deserved more than the fate they recieved. 

"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."

  voxnor

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9/07/12 12:43:48 PM#156

I just spent the better part of a half hour reading through this thread, and I must say you let me down a bit 'dreamer05'.

 

You started this thread and your responses very dignified and cool headed - but in the later pages you have resorted to mentioning peoples 'Mommys' and their 'Basements'. I would just simply say: keep a cool head, even in the face of shrude people and trolling comments.

 

I can see from your first posts that when you do, you are an excellent individual to have a discussion with.

 

On Topic:

 

My only advice is to try other professions. That has been said by some, but I will re-itterate. I tried a few until I found my Ranger, who opened up the game for me.

 

 

*Edited because I am bad at spelling...

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  Rokurgepta

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9/07/12 3:27:03 PM#157
Originally posted by teakbois
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

 So you want to exclude a game that has millions of people playing because it might not fit what you want MMORPG to be? Way to try and dodge reality. The fact is the sub model is not the wave of the future. Deny it all you want, it just makes you look uninformed.

Its not a MMORPG though.  You are the one dodging reality by bringing up an off genre game to try to prove your point.  What next, League of Legends?  Farmville?

 I know shame on me for picking a game that was never subscription based, has millions of players and makes a ton of money. Just because it is not strictly your definition of MMoRPG, it is still an MMO. Once you included farmville I knew you were just a troll.

 

Please prove to me that sub based gaming will still be a large part of online gaming in the future.

 

The nest big game I expect to see is Planetside 2, already confirmed as free to play from the start.

  Prankster

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9/07/12 7:32:11 PM#158

In my opinion the weapons skill system is the weakest part of GW2's game play.

IMO there should be about three times as many for each weapopn, They should be on long unlocks and they should change as your profenices in other weapons evolve, IE if you raise both great sword skill and regular sword skill your slashing attacks may be slightly higher then someone who hasent mastered both,

I would like to have to decide which 5 skills Im going to roll with from a large pool.

I love the game but the OP is right about this at least IMO

 

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  Rokurgepta

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9/07/12 7:47:59 PM#159
Originally posted by Prankster

In my opinion the weapons skill system is the weakest part of GW2's game play.

IMO there should be about three times as many for each weapopn, They should be on long unlocks and they should change as your profenices in other weapons evolve, IE if you raise both great sword skill and regular sword skill your slashing attacks may be slightly higher then someone who hasent mastered both,

I would like to have to decide which 5 skills Im going to roll with from a large pool.

I love the game but the OP is right about this at least IMO

 

 I agree the weapons skills are a little light. I would like it so you have to choose the 5 you eventually use out of a larger pool for each weapon. If say by level 20 your could unlock all the skills for a weapon but have to pick which 5 you actually get to use in a fight.

 

I like your idea as it provides some diversity within the class on a player by player basis.

  leoo88556

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9/08/12 2:37:02 AM#160

NINE!!! And you are BORED??? That took you how long... one hour or something like that right?

Maybe you should just stop playing games and go play basketball or tennis or somrthing that takes literally ten years grinding. XD

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