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  yhar

Novice Member

Joined: 3/31/07
Posts: 18

 
OP  9/04/12 11:55:37 PM#41
Originally posted by itsneo

I'm sorry, all I see here is ....

 

OP = RAGE TROLL

 

no more.. no less.  

 

go to game stop or some other local game store and pick up a copy.   jesus.   it's not that hard man..  really, and certainly not worth this thread.

 

 

Of course a fanboi can only see "rage troll".  Despite the fact that I don't type in all caps, I don't go about cursing or typing in unreadable gibberish.  I have very valid points, I have expressed how a better business would have handled these problems.  But no, none of you can actually respond to these, you just stick your fingers in your ear and shout "troll".  Sad really.

P.S. The Gamestop in my town does not sell PC games in store.  It's console only.  

On top of that, I was interested in buying online.  Their failure to provide this option is my reason for having no further interest in buying the game, which I stated from the beginning.  The game is definitely available if I go buy a physical copy, but, as so many of you don't actually want to comprehend what I have been saying, I don't want to buy a copy now.  I came here to explain why I didn't buy it, not to complain about it not being available. It's tough I know, when someone shows something negative about a game company you are a fan of, you want to defend it blindly.  That's overly obvious here.

However burying your head in the sand and ignoring blatant business errors is not a solution.  So call me whatever names you like.  Because being called names by strangers really doesn't do anything but give me a chuckle. :)

And it doesn't make your game company any smarter.

  yhar

Novice Member

Joined: 3/31/07
Posts: 18

 
OP  9/05/12 12:00:12 AM#42
Originally posted by aRtFuLThinG
Just another attempt by an "unknown" source to sabotage yet another new popular MMO's image/reputation by spreading misinformation.

How's those justifications working for you?  Feels good not to actually address issues and just brush them aside, eh?  lol  No misinformation here.  Anyone reading this thread can go look for themselves.  Every digital copy outlet has been shut down.  I don't buy stuff in stores for my own reasons.  Artificially trying to force me into a retail store is just a bad business decision.

Something they are apparently good at making.

  fatboy21007

Novice Member

Joined: 3/24/10
Posts: 419

9/05/12 12:00:24 AM#43
Gametap or game stop, bought mine digtal from game stop and downloaded it. Not  hard   to find :-P and this was 2 days ago. So  u all cant troll this, got the info where u can get them from, from the website.
  meari

Novice Member

Joined: 4/14/12
Posts: 104

9/05/12 12:07:08 AM#44
Originally posted by yhar
Originally posted by itsneo

I'm sorry, all I see here is ....

 

OP = RAGE TROLL

 

no more.. no less.  

 

go to game stop or some other local game store and pick up a copy.   jesus.   it's not that hard man..  really, and certainly not worth this thread.

 

 

Of course a fanboi can only see "rage troll".  Despite the fact that I don't type in all caps, I don't go about cursing or typing in unreadable gibberish.  I have very valid points, I have expressed how a better business would have handled these problems.  But no, none of you can actually respond to these, you just stick your fingers in your ear and shout "troll".  Sad really.

P.S. The Gamestop in my town does not sell PC games in store.  It's console only.  

On top of that, I was interested in buying online.  Their failure to provide this option is my reason for having no further interest in buying the game, which I stated from the beginning.  The game is definitely available if I go buy a physical copy, but, as so many of you don't actually want to comprehend what I have been saying, I don't want to buy a copy now.  I came here to explain why I didn't buy it, not to complain about it not being available. It's tough I know, when someone shows something negative about a game company you are a fan of, you want to defend it blindly.  That's overly obvious here.

However burying your head in the sand and ignoring blatant business errors is not a solution.  So call me whatever names you like.  Because being called names by strangers really doesn't do anything but give me a chuckle. :)

And it doesn't make your game company any smarter.

No, your original reason for not wanting to buy is because you thought Anet is being greedy. Now you're clutching for straws to cover how you failed on every single turn. You couldn't even search Amazon properly or else you'd know that both physical and online delux are available. 

I know it may be a new concept to you, but at least be a man and admit you were wrong.

  AfroPolack

Novice Member

Joined: 6/16/12
Posts: 2

9/05/12 12:09:11 AM#45
Best Buy Seems like they still have some keys in stock for a DD. Not really for the OP as it seems that he has his heart set on not buying the game, but to those that want to get it, try there.
  User Deleted
9/05/12 12:14:15 AM#46
Originally posted by itsneo

I'm sorry, all I see here is ....

 

OP = RAGE TROLL

 

no more.. no less.  

 

go to game stop or some other local game store and pick up a copy.   jesus.   it's not that hard man..  really, and certainly not worth this thread.

 

 

  yhar

Novice Member

Joined: 3/31/07
Posts: 18

 
OP  9/05/12 12:15:35 AM#47
Originally posted by fatboy21007
Gametap or game stop, bought mine digtal from game stop and downloaded it. Not  hard   to find :-P and this was 2 days ago. So  u all cant troll this, got the info where u can get them from, from the website.

Gametap: Not Available

http://www.gametap-shop.com/buy-download-pc-games/Guild-Wars-2-Standard-Edition-1651-25.html

 

Gamestop: Not Available

http://www.impulsedriven.com/guildwars2

If you go to the Guild Wars 2 website, and check their list of online retailers for digital downloads, you will see that ALL of them seem to not have digital copies.  Oh they have plenty of box copies but none of them will sell you a digital copy.

I don't have the capability to get out on a whim.  I am disabled, cannot drive and live alone.  I live in a very rural area and delivery companies require me to come to their distribution warehouses.  I spent weeks having to deal with Fed EX last Christmas just  to try and get gifts sent to me by family.  I will not apologize for my limitations.

I don't care if Guild Wars fails or not.  I came here to express my frustration with their decision to stop online sales, while obviously not stopping box sales either in stores or online.  The lame excuse about caring for the customers would possibly make sense if they suspended sales as a whole, but nobody is sold out of box copies, but everyone is sold out of digital copies.

I know you guys just want to make one justification after another, but saying "we won't sell you this copy but we will sell you this box version instead" doesn't really sync with the whole "stopping sales for the benefit of our customers" excuse.

I give up on trying to talk about this real issue, because all I see are snarky attacks whose only purpose is to defend the company you are a fanatic about instead of actually listening.  There is no value in trying to communicate with those who have no interest in anything contrary to their fantasy view of a company that is making very bad business decisions, which will ultimately limit the game you are playing.

 

  Syno23

Novice Member

Joined: 8/18/08
Posts: 1371

9/05/12 12:24:32 AM#48
Originally posted by yhar
Originally posted by Syno23
Go to Amazon.com or GameStop to buy your physical copy. Don't bash ArenaNet for your shortcomings.

http://www.amazon.com/Guild-Wars-Pre-Purchase-Online-Access/dp/B008MAYXI0/

Don't be too hard on yourself for not looking before typing.

I said physical copy.

  Arglebargle

Elite Member

Joined: 6/13/07
Posts: 1084

9/05/12 12:31:21 AM#49
Originally posted by yhar
Originally posted by Thornz2000

So you made a MMO account to share your feelings right?

Well they halted sales for now to make sure they have servers for everyone. This is the 1st MMO I ever seen halting sales to get things lined up so the servers will not be over loaded.

This MMO is well worth it, but sorry they put boo boo's all over your feelings.

So thx for stopping in for a quick chat, but must get back to the game.

Another reason I'm glad they didn't let me buy a digital copy.  Typical dbag fanboi who would rather make snarky comments rather than accept that the company failed to anticipate, failed to react, is losing countless sales because of that and makes excuses that are just tired just tired "we care about our fans"!

It's not about caring, it's really just about poor business strategies. *shrug* have fun. Glad you are there, so I know I won't ever run across you.  lol

It would probably help your argument if you didn't come across as a cranky knobhead.

 

It would help your argument if your original premises weren't almost immediately shown to be false.  IE, Deluxe edition is retail, digital editions could be bought from outlets other than Anet.

 

It would help if your made up scenarios were based on real experiances rather than just made up out of thin air to justify your position.   Have you ever set up a server for a complex game on short notice?  Have you ever tried to set up one (either your own or a rental) on a major holiday weekend?   There is no magic server wand that plops new, fully tested servers into the world.   I think Anet has already added 6 servers to try to alleviate some of the problems, probably all the back up capacity they had planned for.

 

Most online gaming companies have to walk a fine line on release of a new game:  Too many servers and they will have to consolidate later on to the accompaniment of  'The game is failing!' crys.   Too few and players become unhappy and leave.  Anet's Overflow server set up is really a great move, and any game coming out after this that doesn't implement something similar, is crazy.   That doesn't mean it will be flawless, or that they won't have a bigger hit on them than they expected.  I'd like to say that I am sorry that you couldn't get the game as you wanted, but ... no really I am not.

 

Given that you could have solved your claimed problems with a little bit of due diligence, why should we give any extra credence to your complaints or theories?     

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  nightfallrob

Novice Member

Joined: 5/10/08
Posts: 170

9/05/12 12:32:21 AM#50
Originally posted by yhar

I watched the videos on YouTube.  I read the reviews in magazines.  I read many forum threads.  I got excited about the game.  I went to GuildWars 2.com and clicked the Buy Now button.  I was ready to buy a copy for me and my girlfriend and we were gonna give this new adventure a try.

Digital version...SOLD OUT.   Digital Deluxe version...SOLD OUT.  The $150 Collector Edition...the only option.

Really?  Do you honestly think people in the 21st century believe you can sell out of a digital copy?  Your efforts did not net you $300 for two new players, it didn't even net you $120 as I was expecting to shell out.  It netted you $0 because of your greed.

Some might say, their servers are too full.  How long does it take to throw up another server?  Another dozen servers if needed.  If you don't have enough servers to meet the game demand.  Add servers.  Don't just create some artificial scarcity by which people have to buy a $150 version.

There are copies in stores, but I won't be buying it.  Not after the bad taste this shady strategy has left with me.  It could be an awesome game.  But I won't give it another look.  You had an opportunity to make a sale, and you refused it with your fail attempt to funnel people into an overpriced version of your game.  Fire your marketing people.  You guys are missing out on who knows how many thousand sales.

The $150 dollar version is a box copy, just like the standard retail edition. Those are both available right now, you just need to actually get out of your chair and invest enough time to go to the store. They shut down the digital copies because as hopeful as they were, they were still surprised by how many people purchased the game. Try doing a little research next time.

  meari

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Joined: 4/14/12
Posts: 104

9/05/12 12:32:25 AM#51
Originally posted by yhar
Originally posted by fatboy21007
Gametap or game stop, bought mine digtal from game stop and downloaded it. Not  hard   to find :-P and this was 2 days ago. So  u all cant troll this, got the info where u can get them from, from the website.

Gametap: Not Available

http://www.gametap-shop.com/buy-download-pc-games/Guild-Wars-2-Standard-Edition-1651-25.html

 

Gamestop: Not Available

http://www.impulsedriven.com/guildwars2

If you go to the Guild Wars 2 website, and check their list of online retailers for digital downloads, you will see that ALL of them seem to not have digital copies.  Oh they have plenty of box copies but none of them will sell you a digital copy.

I don't have the capability to get out on a whim.  I am disabled, cannot drive and live alone.  I live in a very rural area and delivery companies require me to come to their distribution warehouses.  I spent weeks having to deal with Fed EX last Christmas just  to try and get gifts sent to me by family.  I will not apologize for my limitations.

I don't care if Guild Wars fails or not.  I came here to express my frustration with their decision to stop online sales, while obviously not stopping box sales either in stores or online.  The lame excuse about caring for the customers would possibly make sense if they suspended sales as a whole, but nobody is sold out of box copies, but everyone is sold out of digital copies.

I know you guys just want to make one justification after another, but saying "we won't sell you this copy but we will sell you this box version instead" doesn't really sync with the whole "stopping sales for the benefit of our customers" excuse.

I give up on trying to talk about this real issue, because all I see are snarky attacks whose only purpose is to defend the company you are a fanatic about instead of actually listening.  There is no value in trying to communicate with those who have no interest in anything contrary to their fantasy view of a company that is making very bad business decisions, which will ultimately limit the game you are playing.

 

Sigh, one last time.

Your failure No 1. You came here, claiming Anet is being shady because they've stopped digital sales but didn't for collector edition. Except collector edition is retail only.

Your failure No 2. You then complained it doesn't make sense for Anet to stop their own digital sales then point you to other digital retailers. Except Anet cannot stop retailers from selling what keys they've already purchased/been allocated.

Your failure No 3. You then claim servers can be set up overnight and software installed in 2 hours. Except that simply does not happen in IT. 

Your failure No 4. You now claim they should have stopped sales entirely, that everyone is out of digital copy and nobody is out of physical copy. Except there are obviously digital delux editions available and some local stores have run out of physical GW2 boxes. Your continued failure to grasp that once a retailer purchases their stock Anet cannot stop them from selling them astounds me.

 

Seriously, I don't care if you're disabled or not. Man up and admit you were wrong.

  MrReality

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Joined: 9/01/12
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9/05/12 12:35:43 AM#52
Originally posted by Requiem1066
I understand the reason they stopped digital sales .. but it does seem a bit " off " if they have stopped them apart from the $150 one lol

It does doesn't it. This has to be one of the first times I ever heard of a company selling out of digital copies, especially the cheaper version. 

  nightfallrob

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Joined: 5/10/08
Posts: 170

9/05/12 12:42:36 AM#53
Originally posted by yhar
Originally posted by fatboy21007
Gametap or game stop, bought mine digtal from game stop and downloaded it. Not  hard   to find :-P and this was 2 days ago. So  u all cant troll this, got the info where u can get them from, from the website.

Gametap: Not Available

http://www.gametap-shop.com/buy-download-pc-games/Guild-Wars-2-Standard-Edition-1651-25.html

 

Gamestop: Not Available

http://www.impulsedriven.com/guildwars2

If you go to the Guild Wars 2 website, and check their list of online retailers for digital downloads, you will see that ALL of them seem to not have digital copies.  Oh they have plenty of box copies but none of them will sell you a digital copy.

I don't have the capability to get out on a whim.  I am disabled, cannot drive and live alone.  I live in a very rural area and delivery companies require me to come to their distribution warehouses.  I spent weeks having to deal with Fed EX last Christmas just  to try and get gifts sent to me by family.  I will not apologize for my limitations.

I don't care if Guild Wars fails or not.  I came here to express my frustration with their decision to stop online sales, while obviously not stopping box sales either in stores or online.  The lame excuse about caring for the customers would possibly make sense if they suspended sales as a whole, but nobody is sold out of box copies, but everyone is sold out of digital copies.

I know you guys just want to make one justification after another, but saying "we won't sell you this copy but we will sell you this box version instead" doesn't really sync with the whole "stopping sales for the benefit of our customers" excuse.

I give up on trying to talk about this real issue, because all I see are snarky attacks whose only purpose is to defend the company you are a fanatic about instead of actually listening.  There is no value in trying to communicate with those who have no interest in anything contrary to their fantasy view of a company that is making very bad business decisions, which will ultimately limit the game you are playing.

 

I'm sorry that you face this difficult situation, but ANet CAN'T tell Best Buy and other retailers to not sell the already in-store copies unless there's a major problem with them, i.e. a product recall. Retailers purchase the box copy and while none of the actual game software belongs to them, the box copies they purchase do. ANet really didn't have any other options. It sucks that you got hurt by it, but your situation is fairly individual and sometimes the "needs of the many must outweigh the needs of the few, or the one," to quote Star Trek.

As a clinical social worker, I get that you're upset, and that this is one more pain-in-the-ass your situation has thrown you, but your rant isn't reasonable. They had to do something, or the whole project would have gone south. It is your misfortune that this happened, but you also chose to live in an area that is so remote that Amazon can't deliver directly to you. As someone who lives in rural Northern Arizona and can have mail brought directly to my door step, I have an idea what the locale you live in has to be like. And I accept that there are conviences in Phoenix and Flagstaff that I do not have access to, let alone what you have chosen to go without. But you chose to go without them. Yes, it's difficult to move, even harder if you're disabled, but it's not impossible. Our decisions have consequences. You have picked a place you want to be home, and you have to tolerate the inconviences that come with it, just like the rest of us in rural America.

  Ausare

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9/05/12 12:45:03 AM#54
Well this will be locked soon.
  meari

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9/05/12 12:45:47 AM#55

Btw, looks like Best Buy actually has digital edition in stock. 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Guild+Wars+2+-+Windows+%5BDigital+Download%5D/1000002442.p?id=1000002441&skuId=1000002442&st=guild%20wars&lp=2&cp=1

 

How about you come out and admit you went out specifically to look for retailers that are sold out. huh?

  Raekon

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9/05/12 1:07:51 AM#56

The title of this thread should read:

"I didn't buy Guild Wars 2 because I didn't wanted to and never intented to!"

Why? Because of the following points:

- if he really were looking forward to play this game he would had bought it from a retailer in either digital or box form

- he wouldn't had started a obvious argument in the forums with everyone that tells him otherwise in such a selfish and childish manner

- last but not least, he wouldn't immediately put down every single explanation given to him because "he knows all better anyway", marking it as a excuse.

Due to this I would suggest to everyone to stop wasting their time with such people cause no matter what you guys would bring up to prove him wrong or give him other possibilities he wouldn't care anyway.

It's one thing to be dissatisfied with something and voice your opinion but a totally different one when you set your opinion above everyone elses no matter what, even there were various ways to actually satisfy yourself in the first place.

  KaosProphet

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9/05/12 1:10:12 AM#57
Originally posted by yhar
Originally posted by meari
Ah.. now the agenda surfaces. Don't pretend you were ever trying to buy the game, you just came to bash. So, what's your usual account here?

I came here to express my frustration with a company who is either involved in artifical scarcity in order to portray inflated demand, or worse, inept on so many levels they can't even handle a launch, where demand is the greatest and the potential for sales (and lost sales) is at its peak.

I don't care how great a game is, if the company behind it shuts down sales because it never expected the amount of interest, then we know they aren't very good at paying attention to their customer base from the start.

If you think criticism for valid problems is "bashing", feel free to say whatever you need to say to minimize the points I have expressed.  While it may make you feel better as a fanboi, it won't put the lost thousands of dollars into the pockets of the developers. :)

If they've sold past expectations.... they've broken their sales targets and can tolerate the lost future-sales resulting from shutting down digital sales.  The damage to their credibility from doing that is likely far, far lower than the damage done by server instability as a result of massive overpopulation.  You'll spread some bad press via word of mouth, and so will a few others, but that's nothing compared to what would happen if they let the servers crash and make the game experience miserable for those who have bought in already.

It sucks, I know, but from their end:  pissing you off is the lesser of evils.

 

Also: I've worked in retail, and your expectations of what is possible with regards to "paying attention to their customer base" with regards to level of demand are somewhat unreasonable.  Even with the best tools at our disposal, it's still a big guessing game at the end.  Of course, this is not something I'd ever tell you to your face while you were in my store because that's just drilled out of us.  But I'd be thinking it the whole time you were there.

  Loke666

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9/05/12 1:13:37 AM#58
Originally posted by yhar

I watched the videos on YouTube.  I read the reviews in magazines.  I read many forum threads.  I got excited about the game.  I went to GuildWars 2.com and clicked the Buy Now button.  I was ready to buy a copy for me and my girlfriend and we were gonna give this new adventure a try.

Digital version...SOLD OUT.   Digital Deluxe version...SOLD OUT.  The $150 Collector Edition...the only option.

Really?  Do you honestly think people in the 21st century believe you can sell out of a digital copy?  Your efforts did not net you $300 for two new players, it didn't even net you $120 as I was expecting to shell out.  It netted you $0 because of your greed.

Some might say, their servers are too full.  How long does it take to throw up another server?  Another dozen servers if needed.  If you don't have enough servers to meet the game demand.  Add servers.  Don't just create some artificial scarcity by which people have to buy a $150 version.

There are copies in stores, but I won't be buying it.  Not after the bad taste this shady strategy has left with me.  It could be an awesome game.  But I won't give it another look.  You had an opportunity to make a sale, and you refused it with your fail attempt to funnel people into an overpriced version of your game.  Fire your marketing people.  You guys are missing out on who knows how many thousand sales.

As I see it you are the one missing out, but that is not really my problem. There are new servers out now even though some of the prelaunch servers are still full, my guild just moved a medium server this weekend.

That digital copies were down for a few days does not seem that odd, buying and setting up new servers actually take a few days and you could easily have bought a hard copy instead. Wow was really hard to get for several months here after launch as well because Blizzard didnt think the game would be so large.

  Meowhead

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9/05/12 1:20:47 AM#59
Originally posted by yhar

It's good to see there are some reasonable people who will be playing the game.  I realize they would not ask retailers not to sell box games, but the point is that the excuse that they are limiting subs due to possible overload doesn't ring true when they continue to provide box sets.  If box sets were sold out everywhere, or even most places, perhaps that could be valid.  But simple searches show otherwise.

 ...?

Do you have any proof that Arenanet is sending out more shipments of boxes?  Even if they are, do you have any proof that they were not shipments they guaranteed to send out?

Also, they probably make more profit off a digital copy they sell at their own store, than even a collector's edition they sell out of somebody else's store.

I mean, they get ALL the digital copy money, after all.

Just look how low collector's editions drop when they prove unpopular at retail stores.  The retail stores aren't giving 140 dollars to Arenanet, not even 100 dollars... or even 60 bucks.

All other things aside for a moment, I think you at least should man up and admit your 'making more money' conspiracy theory doesn't make any sense.  Digital copies sold by Arenanet are 100% profit.  Boxes they sell at stores are considerably less money.  You can still get regular editions at places like Gamestop.

  Deldor

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9/05/12 1:34:30 AM#60
There are certain things that don't scale linear, I think the global trading post in GW2 is one of them and loginservers are usually one of them too. You can't just throw money in form of new hardware at these things, you have to rearrange your complete infrastructure.
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