Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I do the same thing you do and I'm not having your problems at all. 

Sounds like you need to repeat a few dynamic events and run to them whem people on map chat state they are up. Sounds like you are only doing DE's as they come along while you run around. You can can 1 or 2 DE's a few times and gain a level. I always outlevel the zone before I finish it.

In my experience there were only a few times when anyone announced a DE, and that was because they needed help.  It would certainly have been a lot better if I could see where every DE was on the map.  I did make the mistake of missing out on starting DE's early on as I thought they were automated.  But I almost never skipped an event when it popped up for me.

 

I'll probably roll an alt soon and so I'll see if I was mistaken on certain things.

sort of missing the whole point of the game in a way.. i know people hate to hear that but it's like playing TERA or this game and complain you can't just stand around and go toe to toe with everything without dying.. game was designed a certain way and to get the most out of it should be played that way. Again not telling people how to play but to understand and really enjoy PVE i would read the dev blogs and see how this world was designed.. if you are trying to paly it like other MMOs you will probably not be happy with it.. you play it like a open world type RPG you will probably enjoy the game a TON more.. at least I know it do:)

The whole point of the game is to play how you want. He's not "doing it wrong" because he doesn't want to repeat content. It is an issue with any level based game. 

I'd take the word of someone who is level 80 and actually seen the game over a developer who wants to sell the game, and someone who's only experience beyond level 30 is what the developer tells them.

 

You should take into consideration that people aren't telling him he's supposed to repeat content, rather that he's rushing past content.

For example, one might ask if he's taken on the world event in the human 1 - 15 area.  The Shadow Behemoth. There are alot of events that need to be progressed through stages of events before you've actually completed them. Has he done all those events to the fullest? 

The point is, that if he rushes through these areas, without taking the time to "smell the roses" so to speak, then he will HAVE to repeat content because he burned through every area doing half of the content. I really don't think this is exclusively Anets fault.

Now you've seen it, you can't unsee it!

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I do the same thing you do and I'm not having your problems at all. 

Sounds like you need to repeat a few dynamic events and run to them whem people on map chat state they are up. Sounds like you are only doing DE's as they come along while you run around. You can can 1 or 2 DE's a few times and gain a level. I always outlevel the zone before I finish it.

In my experience there were only a few times when anyone announced a DE, and that was because they needed help.  It would certainly have been a lot better if I could see where every DE was on the map.  I did make the mistake of missing out on starting DE's early on as I thought they were automated.  But I almost never skipped an event when it popped up for me.

 

I'll probably roll an alt soon and so I'll see if I was mistaken on certain things.

sort of missing the whole point of the game in a way.. i know people hate to hear that but it's like playing TERA or this game and complain you can't just stand around and go toe to toe with everything without dying.. game was designed a certain way and to get the most out of it should be played that way. Again not telling people how to play but to understand and really enjoy PVE i would read the dev blogs and see how this world was designed.. if you are trying to paly it like other MMOs you will probably not be happy with it.. you play it like a open world type RPG you will probably enjoy the game a TON more.. at least I know it do:)

The whole point of the game is to play how you want. He's not "doing it wrong" because he doesn't want to repeat content. It is an issue with any level based game. 

I'd take the word of someone who is level 80 and actually seen the game over a developer who wants to sell the game, and someone who's only experience beyond level 30 is what the developer tells them.

 

You should take into consideration that people aren't telling him he's supposed to repeat content, rather that he's rushing past content.

 

For example, one might ask if he's taken on the world event in the human 1 - 15 area.  The Shadow Behemoth. There are alot of events that need to be progressed through stages of events before you've actually completed them. Has he done all those events to the fullest? 

 

The point is, that if he rushes through these areas, without taking the time to "smell the roses" so to speak, then he will HAVE to repeat content because he burned through every area doing half of the content. I really don't think this is exclusively Anets fault.

Now you've seen it, you can't unsee it!

So you're suggesting that Arenanet wants us to go back and repeat events over and over again until we hit the level point where you don't have to double up a level range zone? Because as a level 80, I can tell you that would not be fun or interesting at all. Most zones that are labeled as 60-70 give you about 4 levels after fully exploring the map / full map completion. This would leave you grinding DEs for 6 levels, and considering the amount of them bugged you would be hard pressed to find that many events.

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I do the same thing you do and I'm not having your problems at all. 

Sounds like you need to repeat a few dynamic events and run to them whem people on map chat state they are up. Sounds like you are only doing DE's as they come along while you run around. You can can 1 or 2 DE's a few times and gain a level. I always outlevel the zone before I finish it.

In my experience there were only a few times when anyone announced a DE, and that was because they needed help.  It would certainly have been a lot better if I could see where every DE was on the map.  I did make the mistake of missing out on starting DE's early on as I thought they were automated.  But I almost never skipped an event when it popped up for me.

 

I'll probably roll an alt soon and so I'll see if I was mistaken on certain things.

sort of missing the whole point of the game in a way.. i know people hate to hear that but it's like playing TERA or this game and complain you can't just stand around and go toe to toe with everything without dying.. game was designed a certain way and to get the most out of it should be played that way. Again not telling people how to play but to understand and really enjoy PVE i would read the dev blogs and see how this world was designed.. if you are trying to paly it like other MMOs you will probably not be happy with it.. you play it like a open world type RPG you will probably enjoy the game a TON more.. at least I know it do:)

The whole point of the game is to play how you want. He's not "doing it wrong" because he doesn't want to repeat content. It is an issue with any level based game. 

I'd take the word of someone who is level 80 and actually seen the game over a developer who wants to sell the game, and someone who's only experience beyond level 30 is what the developer tells them.

 

You should take into consideration that people aren't telling him he's supposed to repeat content, rather that he's rushing past content.

 

For example, one might ask if he's taken on the world event in the human 1 - 15 area.  The Shadow Behemoth. There are alot of events that need to be progressed through stages of events before you've actually completed them. Has he done all those events to the fullest? 

 

The point is, that if he rushes through these areas, without taking the time to "smell the roses" so to speak, then he will HAVE to repeat content because he burned through every area doing half of the content. I really don't think this is exclusively Anets fault.

Now you've seen it, you can't unsee it!

So you're suggesting that Arenanet wants us to go back and repeat events over and over again until we hit the level point where you don't have to double up a level range zone? Because as a level 80, I can tell you that would not be fun or interesting at all. Most zones that are labeled as 60-70 give you about 4 levels after fully exploring the map / full map completion. This would leave you grinding DEs for 6 levels, and considering the amount of them bugged you would be hard pressed to find that many events.

No. What I'm suggesting is that if you take your time, and play through the content that is available in 1 zone, you won't be short on experience. I have 60% complete on the human 1 - 15 area at level 14 and I haven't been grinding DE's though I did get 1 level from WvW. I did some crafting and spent time exploring, looking for jumping puzzles and interesting spots.  I know that it's possible to get full levels by just doing the 1 area without grinding. Just don't be in a rush. It's there, it's just not all active constantly, so you need to take your time.

EDIT: Either I missed it, or he changed the title but I don't have anything to say about the 25+ zones, as I haven't been there yet.

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I do the same thing you do and I'm not having your problems at all. 

Sounds like you need to repeat a few dynamic events and run to them whem people on map chat state they are up. Sounds like you are only doing DE's as they come along while you run around. You can can 1 or 2 DE's a few times and gain a level. I always outlevel the zone before I finish it.

In my experience there were only a few times when anyone announced a DE, and that was because they needed help.  It would certainly have been a lot better if I could see where every DE was on the map.  I did make the mistake of missing out on starting DE's early on as I thought they were automated.  But I almost never skipped an event when it popped up for me.

 

I'll probably roll an alt soon and so I'll see if I was mistaken on certain things.

sort of missing the whole point of the game in a way.. i know people hate to hear that but it's like playing TERA or this game and complain you can't just stand around and go toe to toe with everything without dying.. game was designed a certain way and to get the most out of it should be played that way. Again not telling people how to play but to understand and really enjoy PVE i would read the dev blogs and see how this world was designed.. if you are trying to paly it like other MMOs you will probably not be happy with it.. you play it like a open world type RPG you will probably enjoy the game a TON more.. at least I know it do:)

The whole point of the game is to play how you want. He's not "doing it wrong" because he doesn't want to repeat content. It is an issue with any level based game. 

I'd take the word of someone who is level 80 and actually seen the game over a developer who wants to sell the game, and someone who's only experience beyond level 30 is what the developer tells them.

 

You should take into consideration that people aren't telling him he's supposed to repeat content, rather that he's rushing past content.

 

For example, one might ask if he's taken on the world event in the human 1 - 15 area.  The Shadow Behemoth. There are alot of events that need to be progressed through stages of events before you've actually completed them. Has he done all those events to the fullest? 

 

The point is, that if he rushes through these areas, without taking the time to "smell the roses" so to speak, then he will HAVE to repeat content because he burned through every area doing half of the content. I really don't think this is exclusively Anets fault.

Now you've seen it, you can't unsee it!

So you're suggesting that Arenanet wants us to go back and repeat events over and over again until we hit the level point where you don't have to double up a level range zone? Because as a level 80, I can tell you that would not be fun or interesting at all. Most zones that are labeled as 60-70 give you about 4 levels after fully exploring the map / full map completion. This would leave you grinding DEs for 6 levels, and considering the amount of them bugged you would be hard pressed to find that many events.

No. What I'm suggesting is that if you take your time, and play through the content that is available in 1 zone, you won't be short on experience. I have 60% complete on the human 1 - 15 area at level 14 and I haven't been grinding DE's though I did get 1 level from WvW. I did some crafting and spent time exploring, looking for jumping puzzles and interesting spots.  I know that it's possible to get full levels by just doing the 1 area without grinding. Just don't be in a rush. It's there, it's just not all active constantly, so you need to take your time.

 

EDIT: Either I missed it, or he changed the title but I don't have anything to say about the 25+ zones, as I haven't been there yet.

Yea 1-25 isn't the problem. 40-80 is.

My experience so far has been very good, except for the WvW server population balance. PvE is engaging and challenging for solo play, but can definitely be done if you don't have a group. However, I'm not playing GW2 for the PvE, so my ALTs will just be leveling up through PvP.

As far as I can tell, once servers get matched up properly, WvW in GW2 will be the creme de le creme of PvP gameplay much like DAoC was when it first came out. By the way, I've been playing off and on since 25th of August and my main just made 25 a couple days ago. I'm not rushing to 80 by any means cause I'm having a ton of fun in WvW for the most part.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

my highest guild memeber just hit 70.. he has 41% of the world discovered.. he has missed numerous zones on his way to 70.. so most likely OP is missing a lot of the zones content. Thing is yuo can easily level to 80 just by PVP or crafting or combination of them all that's what they mean by play how you want. And again like said above you can play the same zone mutliple times and each time it won't be exactly the same. Which is lot more than can be said for most any other MMO

I played 88 hours to hit 80 and competed 55% of the world map.  I barely explored the WvWvW maps, and I assume they are also part of the 100% completion.

I certainly didn't complete the cities other than Black citadel or the other races starting zones (as that will spoil rolling races there).  I did complete every zone between 25 and 70 (which I consider a problem).  In order to make leveling easier I probably did half of the zones starting at 70.  I didn't do the 75-80 zome or the 80 zone.

There was nothing wrong in how I leveled.  There should be no waiting around waiting around for DE's, if I finished the zone I moved on.

Originally posted by eyelolled

EDIT: Either I missed it, or he changed the title but I don't have anything to say about the 25+ zones, as I haven't been there yet.

I changed the title only, fairly soon after posting.  That's because people clearly weren't reading the content of the post.  The issue is that I was able to complete 100% of all of the zones between 25 and 70 and was still only level 70.  Something that really hurts replayability.

I loved leveling, I just am disappointed that I've seen all the zones between 25 and 70 on my first character and only some DEs will be new on an alt in those zones.  I have started an alt and am changing to gathering everything I find.  That's a far less efficient way of leveling but will likely allow for the discovery of more DEs while leveling.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by Aerowyn

my highest guild memeber just hit 70.. he has 41% of the world discovered.. he has missed numerous zones on his way to 70.. so most likely OP is missing a lot of the zones content. Thing is yuo can easily level to 80 just by PVP or crafting or combination of them all that's what they mean by play how you want. And again like said above you can play the same zone mutliple times and each time it won't be exactly the same. Which is lot more than can be said for most any other MMO

I played 88 hours to hit 80 and competed 55% of the world map.  I barely explored the WvWvW maps, and I assume they are also part of the 100% completion.

 

I certainly didn't complete the cities other than Black citadel or the other races starting zones (as that will spoil rolling races there).  I did complete every zone between 25 and 70 (which I consider a problem).  In order to make leveling easier I probably did half of the zones starting at 70.  I didn't do the 75-80 zome or the 80 zone.

 

I certainly didn't do anything wrong, I was simply being efficient in leveling.  No waiting around for DE's, if they weren't popping up I moved on.

that's one of the issues though to really get the most out of the zones you should go around and look out to start DE's on your own not just hope they pop and if not move on.. i can't tell how many events I missed on the first playthough of a zone that I got into the next time I was around in the zone. But to me if you play the way you are it still adds a LOT to playing an alt as you will see new events in each area as you level up another character. The world was meant for you to revisit zones and have new experiences unlike most MMOS where once you complete a zone there is really very little if any reason to return in many cases(especially lower level ones). 

Dear OP.

Turn ON NPC names.

Click named NPCs and check the surroundings, start Events.

People that wait for events will always get bored.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

that's one of the issues though to really get the most out of the zones you should go around and look out to start DE's on your own not just hope they pop and if not move on.. i can't tell how many events I missed on the first playthough of a zone that I got into the next time I was around in the zone. But to me if you play the way you are it still adds a LOT to playing an alt as you will see new events in each area as you level up another character. The world was meant for you to revisit zones and have new experiences unlike most MMOS where once you complete a zone there is really very little if any reason to return in many cases(especially lower level ones). 

Once you've completed a zone, I don't understand why I would return to a lowbie zone as a level 80 unless it has a dungeon.  Maybe if something amazing happened like a true invasion with brand new events that affect other zones.

I think they really could expand on the DEs quite a bit.  Right now the limitation is the added development time and the issues of having a zone overrun by the enemy and making it more difficult for people to level in.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by Aerowyn

that's one of the issues though to really get the most out of the zones you should go around and look out to start DE's on your own not just hope they pop and if not move on.. i can't tell how many events I missed on the first playthough of a zone that I got into the next time I was around in the zone. But to me if you play the way you are it still adds a LOT to playing an alt as you will see new events in each area as you level up another character. The world was meant for you to revisit zones and have new experiences unlike most MMOS where once you complete a zone there is really very little if any reason to return in many cases(especially lower level ones). 

Once you've completed a zone, I don't understand why I would return to a lowbie zone as a level 80 unless it has a dungeon.  Maybe if something amazing happened like a true invasion with brand new events that affect other zones.

 

I think they really could expand on the DEs quite a bit.  Right now the limitation is the added development time and the issues of having a zone overrun by the enemy and making it more difficult for people to level in.

because they are fun? have you done all the meta events of the 1-15 zones? each one has 2 meta events which are a lot of fun and give good rewards.. the sylvari one against the giant frog that transforms everyone into differn't animals is a lot of fun.. frozen maw event is a blast.. i could probably do the fire elemental event in the asura zone 50 times and not get bored that fight is amazing.. The shadow behemoth is just crazy for a 1-15 boss..  my guild mates are having a ton of fun in the zone the shatterer spawns at... have you played in Orr yet?

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Vanilla WOW wasn't the most fun leveling experience, but I think they got it right in the fact that your first character could easily level off of the zones in one continent and see the other continent on an alt.  That should be the standard.  

 

GW2 has the zones, just not enough content or EXP in them without grinding DEs.  The goal should be to provide choice and options on where to go when leveling.

I think Anet missed the boat on that one.

I agree, it would be nice to have unexplored content still waiting for you when you create your alt. I'm an altaholic, so I enjoy different leveling paths (guess that's y I did not like Rift). I think developers are just too busy, lazy, or uninterested in multiple paths.

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Vanilla WOW wasn't the most fun leveling experience, but I think they got it right in the fact that your first character could easily level off of the zones in one continent and see the other continent on an alt.  That should be the standard.  

 

GW2 has the zones, just not enough content or EXP in them without grinding DEs.  The goal should be to provide choice and options on where to go when leveling.

I think Anet missed the boat on that one.

 

I agree, it would be nice to have unexplored content still waiting for you when you create your alt. I'm an altaholic, so I enjoy different leveling paths (guess that's y I did not like Rift). I think developers are just too busy, lazy, or uninterested in multiple paths.

you have more options to level to 80 in this game without repeating the exact same content than any other themepark out there at release and most even in their current state.. look at all the other recent releases if you want to complain about having to repeat content for alts.. this one is miles ahead in that regard.

I'm almost at 40 now and I have had the opposite happen to me.

I've only done my personal story up to level 14.

I done barely any crafting or WvW (maybe about 1 hour of zerging)

Despite this, I've only done one zone per level range (Queensdale, Kessex Hilss, Gendarran Fields) and haven't at any point felt underlevelled. I think it's because I take my time, gather everything I see (even going out of my way to get nodes) and talk to every NPC I see. Because I'm not rushing from vista to POI to waypoint, I give myself more of a chance to catch DE's that spawn around me. I'm simply just playing the game. And it's working....

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by eyelolled

I don't doubt that if you've pushed max level, you're missing out on ALOT of the content. It's a shame if you ask me.

The point is to see them on alts.  Not to shoot my wad on the first character.

So why did you shoot your wad on the first character?  Your playstyle is a bit unusual, I don't think you can expect the game to change to suit your particular preference. 

It's a cost/benefit thing.  You want to level without doing some of the other stuff that gives you xp?  You're going to have to live with the fact that you'll be seeing a lot of content several times.  It's as simple as that.

Originally posted by eyelolled

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I do the same thing you do and I'm not having your problems at all. 

Sounds like you need to repeat a few dynamic events and run to them whem people on map chat state they are up. Sounds like you are only doing DE's as they come along while you run around. You can can 1 or 2 DE's a few times and gain a level. I always outlevel the zone before I finish it.

In my experience there were only a few times when anyone announced a DE, and that was because they needed help.  It would certainly have been a lot better if I could see where every DE was on the map.  I did make the mistake of missing out on starting DE's early on as I thought they were automated.  But I almost never skipped an event when it popped up for me.

 

I'll probably roll an alt soon and so I'll see if I was mistaken on certain things.

sort of missing the whole point of the game in a way.. i know people hate to hear that but it's like playing TERA or this game and complain you can't just stand around and go toe to toe with everything without dying.. game was designed a certain way and to get the most out of it should be played that way. Again not telling people how to play but to understand and really enjoy PVE i would read the dev blogs and see how this world was designed.. if you are trying to paly it like other MMOs you will probably not be happy with it.. you play it like a open world type RPG you will probably enjoy the game a TON more.. at least I know it do:)

The whole point of the game is to play how you want. He's not "doing it wrong" because he doesn't want to repeat content. It is an issue with any level based game. 

I'd take the word of someone who is level 80 and actually seen the game over a developer who wants to sell the game, and someone who's only experience beyond level 30 is what the developer tells them.

 

You should take into consideration that people aren't telling him he's supposed to repeat content, rather that he's rushing past content.

 

For example, one might ask if he's taken on the world event in the human 1 - 15 area.  The Shadow Behemoth. There are alot of events that need to be progressed through stages of events before you've actually completed them. Has he done all those events to the fullest? 

 

The point is, that if he rushes through these areas, without taking the time to "smell the roses" so to speak, then he will HAVE to repeat content because he burned through every area doing half of the content. I really don't think this is exclusively Anets fault.

Now you've seen it, you can't unsee it!

I rolled a Charr.  I didn't want to see the human areas until I rolled a human ...

I didn't rush through any area.  I completed them 100%.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

I rolled a Charr.  I didn't want to see the human areas until I rolled a human ...

I didn't rush through any area.  I completed them 100%.

That's the thing I and others have tried to point out to you though.

In GW2 100% Map Completion is a beginning NOT an ending.

Many DEs take place "off the beaten path" of Hearts, PoIs, and Vistas. There are quite a few DEs that only occur if you interact with NPCs or objects in the world. Others are on timers that simply might not have been active when you were there.

I love tracking Map Completion because it's fun and I like the rewards, but a part of me wishes it wasn't in the game because I do see a lot of people posting "well I got 100% I was done" and it's so difficult and frustrating for me to explain to them that is only an achievement not a sign you've actually seen all there is to see or done all there is to do.

Stop and think for a moment. DEs aren't part of Map Completion. It is theoretically possible for somebody to get 100% Map Completion for a zone without doing a single Dynamic Event. Are you honestly going to tell me that such a person actually "finished" a Zone when that happened?

I do wish the game somehow explained that Map Completion does not equal "done with a Zone" but it is how the game actually works.