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General Discussion  » Rangers: rez your pets or don't bring them into battle in the first place

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  Ambros123

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9/04/12 8:00:55 PM#21
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Pets kinda suck

And any ranger that ignores their downed pet is a poor ranger.

  observer

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First came pride, then envy.

9/04/12 8:16:51 PM#22
Pets die too fast in this game.. same with NPCs too.  They need to last more than 15 seconds before they die. >.>
  kaiser3282

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9/04/12 8:24:42 PM#23
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Pets kinda suck

And any ranger that ignores their downed pet is a poor ranger.

I think the problem is the time to res your pet. As someone els ementioned, the time spent ressing your pet is time spent not killing stuff. With being able to switch pets after your 1st one dies, it usually seems more effective to just keep attacking away and wait for the cooldown to switch again than it is to completely stop fighting in order to res your pet.

They really need to take a better look at the pets and either boost their survivability a little bit, decrease the cooldown on swapping pets, or increase the res speed of pets. Not saying it needs to be a huge change, but just enough to where either a) its more worth it to stop and res your pet or b) pet ressing isnt an issue because you can swap faster

  SuperXero89

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9/04/12 8:28:12 PM#24
In my experience, pets work similarly to how pets have always worked in more traditional MMORPGs, but that doesn't quite fit GW2's combat system.  This means that pets can die in seconds unless you micromanage them, which can be a real PITA in an intense fight.  I don't really think it's the rangers' fault for there being so many dead pets in a battle.  Rather, Anet needs to figure out how to make pets work with their combat system.
  Urko

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9/04/12 8:29:31 PM#25
Originally posted by rosco

How many time did it happen to you ? In the middle of a big battle (PvE or WvW) you see a rez icon in front of you, and as you start to rez your teammate, you notice that the guy is actually an animal.

1) I won't lose my time rezzing a pet when even it's master doesn't find it valuable to rez it himself. Is a pet so crappy that you can play with or without it in the same way ?

2) This pet death icon should be different than the player death icon. they are just too different in value. I will rez anyone, anytime, ASAP, but not a pet. I don't even want to lose time trying to discernate if it's a player or an animal.

3) This costs me money and loot too, because I cannot spam the loot key whenever I want in a big fight, since a roaming ranger will sometimes bring it's "rez target" into your action zone, stopping your loot since you might be trapped in a useless rez animation while you just wanted to loot the zone. So you just stop looting for a time, and yes, you forget stuff on the floor.

We don't need to see a dead pet on the minimap either.

well said

  Rokurgepta

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9/04/12 8:36:40 PM#26
Originally posted by SuperXero89
In my experience, pets work similarly to how pets have always worked in more traditional MMORPGs, but that doesn't quite fit GW2's combat system.  This means that pets can die in seconds unless you micromanage them, which can be a real PITA in an intense fight.  I don't really think it's the rangers' fault for there being so many dead pets in a battle.  Rather, Anet needs to figure out how to make pets work with their combat system.

 Maybe pets need to go defensive and return to their masters side at say 25% health. As it is now they just stay in and die with no self preservation. I hear the my pet needs help message but by then the next hit is death and even if I get my heal off its no sure thing my pet gets healed.

  Wickedjelly

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9/04/12 8:38:58 PM#27
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by rosco

2) This pet death icon should be different than the player death icon. they are just too different in value. I will rez anyone, anytime, ASAP, but not a pet. I don't even want to lose time trying to discernate if it's a player or an animal.

i agree

ideally,  give players an option to toggle OFF pet rezzing

Cannot stress this enough. Have you suggested it to them?

This is annoying as fuck.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Urko

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9/04/12 8:47:56 PM#28
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Pets kinda suck

And any ranger that ignores their downed pet is a poor ranger.

Or doesnt feed it Pedigree Chum while we are at it :P

  NomadMorlock

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9/04/12 8:57:17 PM#29

The problem is most Ranger players don't understand pet management at the moment. If your pet is about to die and you switch pets, the cool down is 15 seconds. If you wait for it to die, the cool down on your next swap is 1 minute. 

 

You also have the ability of pulling your pet back to you before he dies. I have no trouble keeping my pets alive even in dungeons, but I seem to be the only one in my guild who is good at this as my friends pets are always dead. If the don't want to manage pets, they should be playing a thief or warrior with bows. 

 

You also can spec into stronger pets, however most haven't tried these builds much. 

 

 

  Squal'Zell

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"Next time i log in SWG ill probably see elves and druids"

9/04/12 8:59:24 PM#30
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Pets kinda suck

then you are not using them properly

with the right pet combination, depending on the match, or situation. i can keep you bleeding and blind almost permanently. 

a ranger's pet is its class bonus. (just like engineer's turrets)

your traps and pets alone can cause enough damage to win a fight. weapons just make them deadly. (bows, then switch to 1H+dagger) 

 

also to the OP

unless i'm missing something you can't not bring your pet. it's not a skill, its innate to your character's ranger class.


  Gibbonici

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9/04/12 9:01:37 PM#31
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Pets kinda suck

And any ranger that ignores their downed pet is a poor ranger.

As with most things, it's totally situational.

 

For example, if my pet is dead and another player needs reviving, I'm gonna revive that player first. Also, if a fight needs my DPS right now I'm not going to step out of the fight to make my pet better instead. In fact I'm willing to bet money that within the next few days there'll be a thread titled "Rangers: quit rezzing your pets in combat u noobs!" or something similar.

  User Deleted
9/04/12 9:02:58 PM#32

I'll say it again:

 

F4

 

Learn it, love it, use it.

 

A hunter should NEVER have to rez a pet. Proper use of F4. Ranger 101.

  NomadMorlock

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9/04/12 9:06:28 PM#33
Originally posted by cahenderson

I'll say it again:

 

F4

 

Learn it, love it, use it.

 

A hunter should NEVER have to rez a pet. Proper use of F4. Ranger 101.

Preach on my brother!

  Rokurgepta

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9/04/12 9:08:28 PM#34
Originally posted by Gibbonici
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Pets kinda suck

And any ranger that ignores their downed pet is a poor ranger.

As with most things, it's totally situational.

 

For example, if my pet is dead and another player needs reviving, I'm gonna revive that player first. Also, if a fight needs my DPS right now I'm not going to step out of the fight to make my pet better instead. In fact I'm willing to bet money that within the next few days there'll be a thread titled "Rangers: quit rezzing your pets in combat u noobs!" or something similar.

 

  Squal'Zell

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"Next time i log in SWG ill probably see elves and druids"

9/04/12 9:08:53 PM#35
Originally posted by NomadMorlock
Originally posted by cahenderson

I'll say it again:

 

F4

 

Learn it, love it, use it.

 

A hunter should NEVER have to rez a pet. Proper use of F4. Ranger 101.

Preach on my brother!

RE-QFT!


  kaiser3282

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9/04/12 9:09:55 PM#36
Originally posted by NomadMorlock

The problem is most Ranger players don't understand pet management at the moment. If your pet is about to die and you switch pets, the cool down is 15 seconds. If you wait for it to die, the cool down on your next swap is 1 minute. 

 

You also have the ability of pulling your pet back to you before he dies. I have no trouble keeping my pets alive even in dungeons, but I seem to be the only one in my guild who is good at this as my friends pets are always dead. If the don't want to manage pets, they should be playing a thief or warrior with bows. 

 

You also can spec into stronger pets, however most haven't tried these builds much. 

 

 

Well, in PvE / Dungeons its one thing, but its a bit tougher to keep your pet up and pull it back / swap before it dies in WvW. Sometimes your pet will get in there and be fine for awhile and you can manage it, but other times the pet will wind up being in the center of a mass of AoEs and dead in 2 seconds.

  Rokurgepta

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9/04/12 9:11:04 PM#37
Originally posted by Gibbonici
Originally posted by Ambros123
Originally posted by StanlyStanko
Pets kinda suck

And any ranger that ignores their downed pet is a poor ranger.

As with most things, it's totally situational.

 

For example, if my pet is dead and another player needs reviving, I'm gonna revive that player first. Also, if a fight needs my DPS right now I'm not going to step out of the fight to make my pet better instead. In fact I'm willing to bet money that within the next few days there'll be a thread titled "Rangers: quit rezzing your pets in combat u noobs!" or something similar.

 The time to rez plus the time you are not contributing to the fight is the reason pet swapping is critical to the Ranger and his ability to fight. Swapping allows your near dead pet to rest and come back fully healed in less time than it takes to rez in combat. Just have to make sure to watch their health and send them away before they die.

  User Deleted
9/04/12 9:17:50 PM#38
Originally posted by rosco

How many time did it happen to you ? In the middle of a big battle (PvE or WvW) you see a rez icon in front of you, and as you start to rez your teammate, you notice that the guy is actually an animal.

1) I won't lose my time rezzing a pet when even it's master doesn't find it valuable to rez it himself. Is a pet so crappy that you can play with or without it in the same way ?

2) This pet death icon should be different than the player death icon. they are just too different in value. I will rez anyone, anytime, ASAP, but not a pet. I don't even want to lose time trying to discernate if it's a player or an animal.

3) This costs me money and loot too, because I cannot spam the loot key whenever I want in a big fight, since a roaming ranger will sometimes bring it's "rez target" into your action zone, stopping your loot since you might be trapped in a useless rez animation while you just wanted to loot the zone. So you just stop looting for a time, and yes, you forget stuff on the floor.

We don't need to see a dead pet on the minimap either.

most people in this game don't know that they can switch pets mid battle bringing in a completely healthy pet right off the bat i guess.

  ShimpoGenmu

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9/04/12 9:21:44 PM#39

its pointless to res a pet during WvW 

u res your pet just so u can RE res it after 5 sec

  Torvaldr

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9/04/12 9:32:36 PM#40
I usually end up rallying other players before my pet, but I don't mind rezzing pets either.  I value my pet as much as most players on the field.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

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