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  ShakyMo

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9/04/12 1:03:44 PM#61
Swtor was an unimaginative wow in space, but even more linear and with a lifeless world and deserves to fail for bringing nothing new to the mmo table, and being a cynical cash in on a ip.

At least some of those other games mentioned did new things e.g. war with the tok, pqs and a cool implementation of pvp tanking.
  Loke666

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9/04/12 1:11:42 PM#62

Originally posted by Paddyspub

Been playing GW2 since EA on the 25th and imo it is much, much, much, much more polished game with a beautiful world, interesting races, interactive pvp,  the game engine isnt absolute trash,  launches with basic features and then some,  AH isnt horrid  (ok, so it is down alot, though, which is annoying).  GW2 has all this and more and its F2P.   So the game has started out strong but so did SWTOR, but then again, game had so much hype that, I think, alot of people were blinded and didnt see how flawed the game was.  I personally, dont think GW2 will poop out like SWTOR did.    GW2 is #1 or #2 on the xfire chart, so that is a good sign.   Hopefully we finally have a good alternative to go to for something different instead of Wow, and wont be another AoC, Aion, Warhammer, Rift, TSW, SWTOR. 

Originally posted by lifeordinary
No...... after a month, people will quit paying sub and in second month servers will begin to be merged. Third month Anet will announce that GW2 is going F2P.

The truth as so often will be in between.

If think GW2 will be a rather successful game (what do you mean, Rift? It made loads of money) but it wont ne the next Wow. 

Time is running out for a genre ruled by a single game with as much western players as all others combined.

But GW2 is a well made solid game. It is a lot more multiplayer friendly that TOR, a lot larger and better coded than AoC & TSW and have more interesting PvP than WAR so it will get a solid number of players. I can see 1-2 million active players for a long time forward.

But it cant do what Wow did, Wow pulled in a load of players that never even heard of a MMO before and stuff like that only happens once.

  User Deleted
9/04/12 1:21:08 PM#63
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Tardcore
Originally posted by Paddyspub

 

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...I think it is this amount of casual friendly freedom that will come back to bite quite a few GW2 players on the ass in the near future.

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It could possibly be true, what you say here.

But I feel, the answer to that is "So what?" I played it. I enjoyed it. I can put it down and come back at any time if I want to. And if I never do, I won't feel cheated. I'll certainly have gotten my money out of it.

And I feel that is an entirely sane, rational and healthy outlook. However the reason I feel this point is important is due to the insane amout of people the past year hyping GW2 as the great empancipator that would free us all from the bondage of boredom and change the face off MMOs forever. Which while GW2 is a quite entertaining game, its simply is not the game to end all games.

And the reason I feel THAT point is important is I feel quite a few gamers bought into GW2 thinking it really would be the king of kings and are going to be massively let down, which will cause a negetive backlash against the game which will be incredidibly unfair, as the makers of the game never made any of these promises.

Sadly it seems like the people who come on this forum to complain is dependent on their MMO to be their only life, rather than a second life. So their longivety in this game is how much content can they produce in as quick as they can plow through it... Crap, end game is not entirely bug free, guess it's just swtor again. You know, linear and progression based.

It all comes down to, were you expecting their lvl 80 to be like all other MMOs, or were you just along for the experience and anything extra is just bonus. I'll play this game for the hard modes and Orr, but does it matter to me that its not perfected yet? Not really, becuase I enjoyed more than one class in beta and I can easily reroll or do other things with my character. So I don't get my subscriptions worth of money... oh wait, this doesn't have one... so I can get raids and hard modes in a cover charge for a normal rpg, and also play with my friends without paying anything extra...

Can't wait till these people go back to WoW later this month, so I can stop reading pages of this crap so we can maybe get back to actual conversations with people whose opinion matters, instead of raving 10 year olds who are miffed that they pictured the game to be different than what it really was and not what they said it would be.

I mean comeon, when you got the GW2 hater on the side of GW2, thats when you know you got problems. But hey, let's make 50 more threads of this till MoP comes out and cleans up these shit stains out of these forums along with any dignity that game has to the playerbase that quit because of it.

  ShakyMo

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9/04/12 1:47:08 PM#64
Loke:
I'm not sure gw2 is "better coded than tsw"

With tsw
I had a much smoother launch
I had better performance in large scale pvp
I had about the same amount of bugs as gw2

Unfortunately looks like you judged the game on Ao and Aoc, which were bug ridden to hell and back.

Gw2 is the better around game though, both have good leveling pve, tsw has the better dungeons and lore, gw2 does pvp much much better and crafting slightly better. Gw2 also really brings back exploring (although tsw isn't a swtor style corridors and hubs fest)
  DarnRight

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9/04/12 1:55:27 PM#65
Originally posted by Paddyspub

 

Will GW2 avoid the same fate as SWTOR?

You mean like all the trolls ranters and haters who IMHO turned the game on itself?


Nah, seen em in GW2 already. But I am enjoying it like I did SWTOR. Both great games for obviously different reasons.
 

  Introspectre

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9/04/12 2:57:08 PM#66

In a word, yes. 50-75%+ will quit by the end of this month. It's usual for games to lose players after launch but considering Mists of pandaria is coming out in a month, and torchlight 2 soon also, GW2 will take a massive hit.

They will be forced to merge servers down to less than 10 before the end of the year, because if/when areas become ghost towns, the game won't work. the game is reliant on having large groups of players to do world events and WvW, if most players quit then the game can't even function as intended, you can't kill a gold-named world event boss by yourself because your level gets scaled to the area, you need at least a few other people.

I can just imagine the low/mid level areas being ghost towns in a couple months since the only people left playing it are 80's except for alts. Disasterous.

  Creslin321

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9/04/12 2:59:14 PM#67
Originally posted by Introspectre

In a word, yes. 50-75%+ will quit by the end of this month. It's usual for games to lose players after launch but considering Mists of pandaria is coming out in a month, and torchlight 2 soon also, GW2 will take a massive hit.

They will be forced to merge servers down to less than 10 before the end of the year, because if/when areas become ghost towns, the game won't work. the game is reliant on having large groups of players to do world events and WvW, if most players quit then the game can't even function as intended, you can't kill a gold-named world event boss by yourself because your level gets scaled to the area, you need at least a few other people.

I can just imagine the low/mid level areas being ghost towns in a couple months since the only people left playing it are 80's except for alts. Disasterous.

 50-75% of people didn't even quit SWTOR by the end of the first month lol :).

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  Aerowyn

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9/04/12 3:03:48 PM#68
Originally posted by stratasaurus
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by gieger808
GW2 will only have the pvp crowd in less than six months. It doesn't have the pve needed to hold the majority of serious pve'ers.
Great game, having a blast, but it will fall to being just a casual 2nd game to play while on update day for a mmorpg with a more well developed endgame.

could you define that? what does someone have to do to be consider a "serious" pve'er

I believe what he means is there is no Gear progression, there is not a lot of dungeons and no raid content, and no DE's are not very much fun.  The main quest story line is pretty damn limited and the heart system of quests is boring.  People were like the quest system in GW2 is awesome you don't have the same boring quest hubs.  Uhm you go to a heart and then have to kill x things or gather x things with no story line to back it up, questing in GW2 is very weak.

sounds like you haven't played the game at all and know very little about it... game has gear progression(not just cosmetic) hearts are not the core part of the games PVE not even close.. game has 8 dungeons with multiple modes which is more than most games release with.. game has open world raiding.. and as for them not being fun that's all an opinion but if you are basing it off just the starter DEs then that's like saying any game PVE sucks because you failed to get out of the starter area and experience what the game has to offer. I found the starter DE's way more interesting than any quest hub based MMO starter area quests.

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  EvolvedMonky

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9/04/12 3:09:17 PM#69
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Loke:
I'm not sure gw2 is "better coded than tsw"

With tsw
I had a much smoother launch
I had better performance in large scale pvp
I had about the same amount of bugs as gw2

Unfortunately looks like you judged the game on Ao and Aoc, which were bug ridden to hell and back.

Gw2 is the better around game though, both have good leveling pve, tsw has the better dungeons and lore, gw2 does pvp much much better and crafting slightly better. Gw2 also really brings back exploring (although tsw isn't a swtor style corridors and hubs fest)

 

Thing about TSW for a p2p and item mall game it realy is kinda sucky.  Sure everyone has that honeymoon moment with a new mmo.. even i did with TSW which lasted for 11/2 weeks, alot shorter than SWTOR.  But after awhile i realized the investigation missions were a joke, most were cryptic with the clues that if it wasnt for google i wouldnt waste my time on em and there so few of em. Missions were okay some of em were kinda fetchy.  The fact that you have to pay money to customize your attire was BS, in game london clothes were disapointing. Other than the theme of the game it was a prety bland game.

And combat felt rushed, like a last minute addition.. infact most the game felt rushed.  I sometimes wonder if one of the devs played GW2 Beta and tried to steal the idea.  And for me TSW had graphical flickers and fu** ups.

 

  kol56

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9/04/12 3:09:27 PM#70
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by stratasaurus
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by gieger808
GW2 will only have the pvp crowd in less than six months. It doesn't have the pve needed to hold the majority of serious pve'ers.
Great game, having a blast, but it will fall to being just a casual 2nd game to play while on update day for a mmorpg with a more well developed endgame.

could you define that? what does someone have to do to be consider a "serious" pve'er

I believe what he means is there is no Gear progression, there is not a lot of dungeons and no raid content, and no DE's are not very much fun.  The main quest story line is pretty damn limited and the heart system of quests is boring.  People were like the quest system in GW2 is awesome you don't have the same boring quest hubs.  Uhm you go to a heart and then have to kill x things or gather x things with no story line to back it up, questing in GW2 is very weak.

sounds like you haven't played the game at all and know very little about it... game has gear progression(not just cosmetic) hearts are not the core part of the games PVE not even close.. game has 8 dungeons with multiple modes which is more than most games release with.. game has open world raiding.. and as for them not being fun that's all an opinion but if you are basing it off just the starter DEs then that's like saying any game PVE sucks because you failed to get out of the starter area and experience what the game has to offer. I found the starter DE's way more interesting than any quest hub based MMO starter area quests.

TLDR: If someone doesn't like the game, he dosn'tt know what he is talking about or hasn't even played it.

Maybe.... you know.... maybe.... he doesn't like it? NO! THAT CAN'T BE IT!

3.000+ posts in a couple of months, wow

 

Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by Introspectre

In a word, yes. 50-75%+ will quit by the end of this month. It's usual for games to lose players after launch but considering Mists of pandaria is coming out in a month, and torchlight 2 soon also, GW2 will take a massive hit.

They will be forced to merge servers down to less than 10 before the end of the year, because if/when areas become ghost towns, the game won't work. the game is reliant on having large groups of players to do world events and WvW, if most players quit then the game can't even function as intended, you can't kill a gold-named world event boss by yourself because your level gets scaled to the area, you need at least a few other people.

I can just imagine the low/mid level areas being ghost towns in a couple months since the only people left playing it are 80's except for alts. Disasterous.

 50-75% of people didn't even quit SWTOR by the end of the first month lol :).

Yeah, 1 month is WAYYYY to soon, give it 6-9 months.

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  Aerowyn

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9/04/12 3:25:00 PM#71
Originally posted by kol56
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by stratasaurus
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by gieger808
GW2 will only have the pvp crowd in less than six months. It doesn't have the pve needed to hold the majority of serious pve'ers.
Great game, having a blast, but it will fall to being just a casual 2nd game to play while on update day for a mmorpg with a more well developed endgame.

could you define that? what does someone have to do to be consider a "serious" pve'er

I believe what he means is there is no Gear progression, there is not a lot of dungeons and no raid content, and no DE's are not very much fun.  The main quest story line is pretty damn limited and the heart system of quests is boring.  People were like the quest system in GW2 is awesome you don't have the same boring quest hubs.  Uhm you go to a heart and then have to kill x things or gather x things with no story line to back it up, questing in GW2 is very weak.

sounds like you haven't played the game at all and know very little about it... game has gear progression(not just cosmetic) hearts are not the core part of the games PVE not even close.. game has 8 dungeons with multiple modes which is more than most games release with.. game has open world raiding.. and as for them not being fun that's all an opinion but if you are basing it off just the starter DEs then that's like saying any game PVE sucks because you failed to get out of the starter area and experience what the game has to offer. I found the starter DE's way more interesting than any quest hub based MMO starter area quests.

TLDR: If someone doesn't like the game, he dosn'tt know what he is talking about or hasn't even played it.

Maybe.... you know.... maybe.... he doesn't like it? NO! THAT CAN'T BE IT!

3.000+ posts in a couple of months, wow

 

there's a big difference between not liking a game and not knowing anything about it.

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  Wickedjelly

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Joined: 4/19/09
Posts: 5064

The Dude abides

9/04/12 3:29:58 PM#72
Anet's design choices were a lot smarter and oriented to keeping a larger portion of players playing their game for some time. The game is a lot more alt friendly, PvP is functional, group design for DEs,etc. So no I don't see it suffering the same dropoff as SWTOR.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  hikaru77

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Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 967

9/04/12 3:41:27 PM#73
Originally posted by olepi

I quit playing SWTOR during closed beta. I like to play games that are "virtual worlds", where you can play a role. SWTOR was dead.

I haven't played GW2, but the reviews all talk about a vast, open world, that you are free to explore. I could probably play GW2 a lot longer, just for that reason.

The world in GW2  is not vast, is not open, i not free to explore; Is heavily instanced with paths and roads everywhere, is a themepark, even more than swtor, the zones  are divided for level range, walls and  surrounded by mountains so the only way to go from one map to the next one, is following a path and break through a portal. And as far as i know, GW2 is far behind swtor on sales, and is B2P and people should wait a month, the gw2 population will drop significantly.  

  FrodoFragins

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Posts: 2771

9/04/12 3:50:06 PM#74
SWTOR couldn't get the big stuff right.  GW2 gets even the little things right.  Now that the TP is working things are even better.
  jpnole

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Joined: 2/13/10
Posts: 1654

9/04/12 3:52:24 PM#75
It has already outdone SWTOR in that it can't possibly lose any subs ;)
  Yamota

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"I fight so you don't have to."

9/04/12 3:56:30 PM#76

So you asked a question and answered it yourself? Nice.

As for your "question" I don't think GW 2 will drop as drastically as SW:TOR, which essentially was a single player MMO, but it is a ThemePark at its core and the PvP is not all that it is hyped up to be so it will lose maybe half of their current playerbase within 6 months.

  User Deleted
9/04/12 4:01:40 PM#77
Originally posted by kol56
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by stratasaurus
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by gieger808
GW2 will only have the pvp crowd in less than six months. It doesn't have the pve needed to hold the majority of serious pve'ers.
Great game, having a blast, but it will fall to being just a casual 2nd game to play while on update day for a mmorpg with a more well developed endgame.

could you define that? what does someone have to do to be consider a "serious" pve'er

I believe what he means is there is no Gear progression, there is not a lot of dungeons and no raid content, and no DE's are not very much fun.  The main quest story line is pretty damn limited and the heart system of quests is boring.  People were like the quest system in GW2 is awesome you don't have the same boring quest hubs.  Uhm you go to a heart and then have to kill x things or gather x things with no story line to back it up, questing in GW2 is very weak.

sounds like you haven't played the game at all and know very little about it... game has gear progression(not just cosmetic) hearts are not the core part of the games PVE not even close.. game has 8 dungeons with multiple modes which is more than most games release with.. game has open world raiding.. and as for them not being fun that's all an opinion but if you are basing it off just the starter DEs then that's like saying any game PVE sucks because you failed to get out of the starter area and experience what the game has to offer. I found the starter DE's way more interesting than any quest hub based MMO starter area quests.

TLDR: If someone doesn't like the game, he dosn'tt know what he is talking about or hasn't even played it.

Maybe.... you know.... maybe.... he doesn't like it? NO! THAT CAN'T BE IT!

3.000+ posts in a couple of months, wow

 

More like, "I don't feel like reading counterpoints, I just throw my view out there with no facts behind it."

Honest question are you and gieger twins or something? Because you just threw out your own opinion and stated it as his. Sorry, didn't realize that you could play his voice as well.

Way to ignore the rest of the post clearly, since she rebuttles exactly why you are biased in your statements. You can believe whatever you want for game progression, but don't state them like facts, and don't state them like the entire world believes your opinion and everyone else is blind fan boys.

And btw, pretty sure those 3000+ posts show she knows a lot more about the game than you, so your blind rage for the game not meeting your expectations with all the facts out there isn't her fault, it's your own for not reading up on it and expecting different.

  kol56

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Joined: 8/08/12
Posts: 130

9/04/12 4:10:24 PM#78
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by kol56
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by stratasaurus
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by gieger808
GW2 will only have the pvp crowd in less than six months. It doesn't have the pve needed to hold the majority of serious pve'ers.
Great game, having a blast, but it will fall to being just a casual 2nd game to play while on update day for a mmorpg with a more well developed endgame.

could you define that? what does someone have to do to be consider a "serious" pve'er

I believe what he means is there is no Gear progression There is no gear progression in Endgame, there is no "better gear", just different gear with other stats, there is not a lot of dungeons 8 isn't much and no raid content wrong, and no DE's are not very much fun opinion.  The main quest story line is pretty damn limited opinion and the heart system of quests is boring. Opinion  People were like the quest system in GW2 is awesome you don't have the same boring quest hubs.  Uhm you go to a heart and then have to kill x things or gather x things with no story line to back it up, questing in GW2 is very weak.Opinion

sounds like you haven't played the game at all and know very little about it... game has gear progression(not just cosmetic) hearts are not the core part of the games PVE not even close He never said that, only that they are boring and simplistic.. game has 8 dungeons with multiple modes which is more than most games release with 1 fact.. game has open world raiding second fact .. and as for them not being fun that's all an opinion but if you are basing it off just the starter DEs then that's like saying any game PVE sucks assumptions & opinios because you failed to get out of the starter area and experience what the game has to offer Childish baiting, if someone doesn't like X he didn't played enough. I found the starter DE's way more interesting than any quest hub based MMO starter area quests. Opinion

TLDR: If someone doesn't like the game, he dosn'tt know what he is talking about or hasn't even played it.

Maybe.... you know.... maybe.... he doesn't like it? NO! THAT CAN'T BE IT!

3.000+ posts in a couple of months, wow

 

there's a big difference between not liking a game and not knowing anything about it.

Almost all of your 300 posts every day are like this, someone doesn't like X and you use opinions as facts.

"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."

"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy"
-Seinfeld

  kol56

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Joined: 8/08/12
Posts: 130

9/04/12 4:11:31 PM#79
Originally posted by eggy08
Originally posted by kol56
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by stratasaurus
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by gieger808
GW2 will only have the pvp crowd in less than six months. It doesn't have the pve needed to hold the majority of serious pve'ers.
Great game, having a blast, but it will fall to being just a casual 2nd game to play while on update day for a mmorpg with a more well developed endgame.

could you define that? what does someone have to do to be consider a "serious" pve'er

I believe what he means is there is no Gear progression, there is not a lot of dungeons and no raid content, and no DE's are not very much fun.  The main quest story line is pretty damn limited and the heart system of quests is boring.  People were like the quest system in GW2 is awesome you don't have the same boring quest hubs.  Uhm you go to a heart and then have to kill x things or gather x things with no story line to back it up, questing in GW2 is very weak.

sounds like you haven't played the game at all and know very little about it... game has gear progression(not just cosmetic) hearts are not the core part of the games PVE not even close.. game has 8 dungeons with multiple modes which is more than most games release with.. game has open world raiding.. and as for them not being fun that's all an opinion but if you are basing it off just the starter DEs then that's like saying any game PVE sucks because you failed to get out of the starter area and experience what the game has to offer. I found the starter DE's way more interesting than any quest hub based MMO starter area quests.

TLDR: If someone doesn't like the game, he dosn'tt know what he is talking about or hasn't even played it.

Maybe.... you know.... maybe.... he doesn't like it? NO! THAT CAN'T BE IT!

3.000+ posts in a couple of months, wow

 

More like, "I don't feel like reading counterpoints, I just throw my view out there with no facts behind it."

Honest question are you and gieger twins or something? Because you just threw out your own opinion and stated it as his. Sorry, didn't realize that you could play his voice as well.

Way to ignore the rest of the post clearly, since she rebuttles exactly why you are biased in your statements. You can believe whatever you want for game progression, but don't state them like facts, and don't state them like the entire world believes your opinion and everyone else is blind fan boys.

And btw, pretty sure those 3000+ posts show she knows a lot more about the game than you, so your blind rage for the game not meeting your expectations with all the facts out there isn't her fault, it's your own for not reading up on it and expecting different.

There are no counterpoints there, is just a bunch of opinions, nothing else.

3000+ posts doesn't mean anything, only that she has a LOT of free time.

I never raged, calm down, some people don't like the same things you do, the HORROR!

"Dogs are the leaders of the planet. If you see two life forms, one of them's making a poop, the other one's carrying it for him, who would you assume is in charge."

"The idea behind the tuxedo is the woman's point of view that men are all the same; so we might as well dress them that way. That's why a wedding is like the joining together of a beautiful, glowing bride and some guy"
-Seinfeld

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

9/04/12 4:14:39 PM#80
Originally posted by kol56
 

There are no counterpoints there, is just a bunch of opinions, nothing else.

3000+ posts doesn't mean anything, only that she has a LOT of free time.

I never raged, calm down, some people don't like the same things you do, the HORROR!

right... and in my opinion diablo 3 is the greatest FPS ever made.. yippy! anyway back to tyria for me .. take care

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