Originally posted by Thebigthrill

I was thinking this morning at my kitchen table when my 9 yearold son woke up and walked in. He said dad can you make me some toast?

No I wont make you toast today son. He asked me why and I told him I always make him toast , his mother never makes him toast.

Go wake up your mom and tell her to make you some toast. He started to cry and went to wake her up.

A few minutes later his mother appeared and asked me why I wont make him toast, hes crying. I told her its because I didnt feel motivated to make good toast , I had no competition from her since she always let me make the toast.

Now as I sat at the table thinking some more I realized that is what mmorpg's need but in order for that to happen we need Guild Wars 2 to fail along with the secret world and all future mmorpg's.

We need a mmorpg crash similar to the video game crash of the 80's. We need it to be clear to future developers that we need innovation and competition.

Not copying.

The secret world sucks , SWTOR was a disaster and hopefully GW2 will bomb.

That way in the future we can have as I suggested before....

 

 

A prison mmorpg

A cowboy themed mmorpg

A zombie mmorpg

We need to be able to build towns , cities , houses , use our webcams so we can put our faces on our toons, upload jpegs so we can add custom logos to our creations.

Upload mp3s so we can put custom music in our houses , we need 1 server so we can play with millions of people.

 

Wait, pause.

You thought of all that when toast was involved? Good god man, what're you thinking when you butter the toast, or worse yet, when you put jelly on it?

Originally posted by tom_gore

Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Toast is a crap breakfast.

I'll have to go with this. Make your kid some real breakfast.

It really depends on what you put on the toast...

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by tom_gore

Originally posted by MMOGamer71
Toast is a crap breakfast.

I'll have to go with this. Make your kid some real breakfast.

It really depends on what you put on the toast...

and whats the toast made of...

Originally posted by Thebigthrill

I was thinking this morning at my kitchen table when my 9 yearold son woke up and walked in. He said dad can you make me some toast?

No I wont make you toast today son. He asked me why and I told him I always make him toast , his mother never makes him toast.

Go wake up your mom and tell her to make you some toast. He started to cry and went to wake her up.

A few minutes later his mother appeared and asked me why I wont make him toast, hes crying. I told her its because I didnt feel motivated to make good toast , I had no competition from her since she always let me make the toast.

 

Get a new wife.

And a new kid.

Red was by far the best part

It's like... LOL

Lost me at the headline...

And people say things about negativity on this forum. Really >.>

Originally posted by Loke666

The crash have already happened. Wow started to bleed players fast over a year ago and EAs most expensive game ever failed miserably and decided to go F2P less than 8 months after release. While a few games have done OK like Rift most of them have gone really bad.

We do need GW2 to be a success or noone will invest in the genre again, and we would have to live with really badly made indie games like Mortal online for a long time.

But it shouldt succeed to well either.

In my perfect scenario the MMO genre are topped by 3 large and different game. GW2, Class 4 and World of darkness online would be perfect. GW2 becuase it actually tries to be different and while it is nowhere near so newthinking like games like Archeage it is the first AAA MMO trying to be different, and it is really well made.

But someone also needs to prove that other games than fantasy level based game can make money.

Class 4s different mechanics and zombia apocalypse world is perfect addition since it try to do things very differently but still have some really great names working on it (like lead designer Jaff Strain) and a really good budget.

World of darkness online both because it is a player driven sandbox and because it tries to make a MMO as close to a pen and paper RPG as possible, and CCP is probably the most competent sandbox devs out there in the MMO world at least.

But if GW2 fail as well as TOR while Wow continue to loose players many investors might consider MMOs as a sure way to loose money and might pull the plug on many promising projects. Someone must prove that you still can make money on MMOs, preferably without copying Wow.

Very good analysis.

I'm still unsure if this was a joke post or if he's serious, and which parts are which.

Mind is boggled.

Originally posted by Thebigthrill

I was thinking this morning at my kitchen table when my 9 yearold son woke up and walked in. He said dad can you make me some toast?

No I wont make you toast today son. He asked me why and I told him I always make him toast , his mother never makes him toast.

Go wake up your mom and tell her to make you some toast. He started to cry and went to wake her up.

A few minutes later his mother appeared and asked me why I wont make him toast, hes crying. I told her its because I didnt feel motivated to make good toast , I had no competition from her since she always let me make the toast.

Now as I sat at the table thinking some more I realized that is what mmorpg's need but in order for that to happen we need Guild Wars 2 to fail along with the secret world and all future mmorpg's.

We need a mmorpg crash similar to the video game crash of the 80's. We need it to be clear to future developers that we need innovation and competition.

Not copying.

The secret world sucks , SWTOR was a disaster and hopefully GW2 will bomb.

That way in the future we can have as I suggested before....

 

 

A prison mmorpg

A cowboy themed mmorpg

A zombie mmorpg

We need to be able to build towns , cities , houses , use our webcams so we can put our faces on our toons, upload jpegs so we can add custom logos to our creations.

Upload mp3s so we can put custom music in our houses , we need 1 server so we can play with millions of people.

 

You really got issues if your comparing some toasts for your son to MMO's.   With that out of the way.   Devs will always make copy/paste MMO's WoW style as long as people keep paying for them , and at the moment , the MAJORITY of the MMO playerbase are willing to pay and play crappy copy/paste MMO's.  Can you blame the Devs? Somewhat.  But in the end you need to ask yourself what racks in money.    

 On to my favorite topic : Take CCP for example , with their P2P model EVE-Online which has been working and still going strong for the past 10-12 years.  CCP are well aware that EVE-Online isn't made for everyone and not everyone will enjoy it , but as long as they are in the green when it comes to revenu (Which they are by millions!) they won't change a thing of who they are and what EVE-Online is all about. 

 My point is that Devs needs to stop trying to be hybrid and accomodate everyone.  If I see a half decent MMO with a 10$ price tag on it per month , I will most likely jump into it.   A MMO doesn't need millions of profits a month in order to be succesful.  So at the moment we're in a bind , since Devs want to hog the most people as possible , put in game contents that aren't compatible with each other , and we end up with a shitty game community that doesn't have a clue of what a MMORPG is suppose to be like.  

  On a side note , Torchlight 2 releases in 2 weeks , I'm willing to wager that if Runic Games decided to put a 5$ monthly fee on TL2 , it will still do ALOT better then Diablo 3. And they created TL2 in under 3 years with alot less people then what Blizzard had working on D3 for at least double the time.   

  To conclude , the MMO industry will wake up when it's community / player base remove their heads out of their asses.

+11000000 agreed !!!!!

We dont need Fastfood MMO

My parents taught me to make eggs and toast by the time I was 6.

If I demanded of my dad or mom to make me toast at age 9 they would have said "make your own damn toast you big baby" and if I cried they would have both ignored me and my sibilings would have made fun of me.  If I went from one to the other I would have either gotten a scowl of disdain from the second one and told to listen to the first.  Of course they wouldn't have fobbed off the whole situation on the other to begin with an undermined their united front.

Not that they didn't make eggs and toast for anyone who was around rather regularly, but if you had a special request you wanted and they were doing something else they expected you take some initiative and didn't brook no crying about it since you were taught and demonstrated your ability for years.

I think you may be very much mistaking the root issues here.

Originally posted by ronpack
No, we need WoW to fail...

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Originally posted by Thebigthrill

I was thinking this morning at my kitchen table when my 9 yearold son woke up and walked in. He said dad can you make me some toast?

No I wont make you toast today son. He asked me why and I told him I always make him toast , his mother never makes him toast.

Go wake up your mom and tell her to make you some toast. He started to cry and went to wake her up.

A few minutes later his mother appeared and asked me why I wont make him toast, hes crying. I told her its because I didnt feel motivated to make good toast , I had no competition from her since she always let me make the toast.

I don't care what everyone else says, that's funny. XD

Originally posted by Thebigthrill

I was thinking this morning at my kitchen table when my 9 yearold son woke up and walked in. He said dad can you make me some toast?

No I wont make you toast today son. He asked me why and I told him I always make him toast , his mother never makes him toast.

Go wake up your mom and tell her to make you some toast. He started to cry and went to wake her up.

A few minutes later his mother appeared and asked me why I wont make him toast, hes crying. I told her its because I didnt feel motivated to make good toast , I had no competition from her since she always let me make the toast.

Now as I sat at the table thinking some more I realized that is what mmorpg's need but in order for that to happen we need Guild Wars 2 to fail along with the secret world and all future mmorpg's.

We need a mmorpg crash similar to the video game crash of the 80's. We need it to be clear to future developers that we need innovation and competition.

Not copying.

The secret world sucks , SWTOR was a disaster and hopefully GW2 will bomb.

That way in the future we can have as I suggested before....

 

 

A prison mmorpg

A cowboy themed mmorpg

A zombie mmorpg

We need to be able to build towns , cities , houses , use our webcams so we can put our faces on our toons, upload jpegs so we can add custom logos to our creations.

Upload mp3s so we can put custom music in our houses , we need 1 server so we can play with millions of people.

 

just pointing out that you want a zombie mmorpg and TSW is kind of that but you don't get to play a zombie which would be cool as hell. Also i need to know how you got away with not making the toast? if my child woke up her mother because i wouldn't make her toast I most likely wouldn't be typing this response right now, so how did you get away with that?

Peace

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