General Discussion

Would it be ok that they removed the game if it was because they found out the devs are lying to everyone about a good few things?

I bet that would be fine with you, right?

Well, they are lying about a good few things.

Want proof? Point this post out to to Tiamat and co over at LLH and get them to come to this forum and say its ok for me to break my NDA to prove it. I gladly will

Hi All,

[quote]It's one thing to sell out to commercialism; at least you're getting paid.  Selling out to your own faults by sinking to the level of some bickering clod is another matter entirely.  I say rise above it all and continue to list Mourning on MMORPG.com.  Nobody says you have to kiss their asses or hype their game, but when everone finds out that your list is full of holes due to your personal opinions, they'll go somewhere they can read about all of the games, not just the ones you like and/or get along with.  ---Retantilus.[/quote]

Actually this is one of the few instances of Gamer Consumer Advocacy i've ever seen on the web. Although it was prompted by a commerical gamer portal, and not a gamer non-profit org. Nonetheless this is a touche for those who always lament why do gamers support a bad game product. Be it in the form of poor technical design / glitches, or in this case what seems F+ public relations and customer risk management.

It seems LLE is in need of "The Themis Group", much like Funcom employed a couple of years ago. For their own community relations fiasco right after they launched Anarchy Online.

no....this wasnt a bad move my mmorpg.com....mourning is sketchy, shady, weird, and seemingly bad situation to be involved in

check out forums here, mourning forums, and other site's forums talking about mourning....no other game has such bad underground publicity as mourning...they were supposedly banning people for canceling pre-orders, wtf is that about....

and if you feel mmorpg is censoring you, relax....check the mmorpg news sites and put the big picture together...you shouldnt be relying on any one source for news.

knowledge is understanding the information around you...and i'm not fucking calling you dumb=)

I have no stake in this, I don't feel that MMORPG represents the MMO community at all. In fact most posts I read here are written by people who have hardly played an MMO which is evident in the content of their posts (most not all, some of you have highly insightful and informed posts regarding various issues in MMORPG's, and you know who you are). Further moderation of a forumed site is needed to foster a true community.

This is just a customer base to them. And that is totally legitimate. But don't run around pretending you represent the community... after all tons of other games have disrespected players and the MMO community (at large) in the past and MMORPG.com took no stance on those situations. So when MMORPG starts boycotting all games that piss on the player base (customers, stakeholders, and community) then we can talk.

I agree MMORPG brings about many fun and informative experiences. And I agree that MMORPG has the odd good review. And I thank them for their wonderful gaming site, and all the hard work they do. But MMORPG does make money on this site, and so can not be considered an non-partisan, objective agent in this issue. It is because of this vested interest in profit that mmorpg.com can not call themselves community representatives (or even  true members of the community for that mater). Yes you may be players, but you are players who have something to gain, and that means you sit in a different boat than the rest of the community.

Regardless I completely respect MMORPG.com's business decision to dump promotion on Mourning. It looked like a horrible game anyway (IMHO).

AFTER THOUGHT

Out right removal of Mourning is likely a bad idea. This will turn other prospective game companies off because it struts the attitude of ‘don’t mess up in dealings with us (mmorpg.com) or we will boycott you’. A better solution would be to leave the Mourning forums up, and leave the game listed on the site, but just “forget” to update the information ever again. Simply put leave what you have, and never add more to it and possibly don’t moderate the Mourning forums, because as I said above (Moderating a forum helps breed a community).  

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Originally posted by Malicus

Excellent decision to rise above this. I think also that other gaming companies will have to respect this site and the members in general a bit more.

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Who cares what they do the ratings of other games? Look over the site, 99% of the reviews and hype is generated by players and forum members and ive NEVER seen a staff member come on the boards promoting Game XVXZX.[/b][/quote]

But let's say the MMORPG staff really likes a game, it wouldn't be that hard for them to just throw out 50% of the reviews that rated the game below a 7. I'm not saying that this is happening but whta I"m saying is that once you start showing favoritism one way or the other it can really hurt how people trust your opinions. Also I've noticed that they say they did this becuase of these PMs they received but they don't want to talk about it. If they didn't want to talk about it they would've quietly faded Mourning off of the site they wouldn't have put it up as a main news story on the front page. It's like me taking out an ad in the local paper calling my ex wife all sorts of nasty things then when people ask what that's all about I just say "I don't want to talk about it." MMORPG is the one that took this public they should at least show some evidence as to why they made these decisions.

I urge you to reconsider the "remove" decision. For a site such as this one, the selective ommision, exclusion, or removal of any one game for any reason goes very much counter to the core purpose of the site, and is a huge disservice to anyone that comes here find and read information. This site does not present itself as someones list of favorite MMOs, rather it appears to be an exhaustively complete list of such games. Clearly, if there are issues with the coverage and discussion of one game more than the rest, something needs to be done to indicate that is the case, but removing the game from the list altogether should not be the route taken.

Right on, mmorpg.com. There is no reason anyone should buy/promote a company that provide a poor quality product. I applaude you, and wish more people would stand up and back their opinions of companies they deal with.... Unless you like receiving bad service over and over again.