Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by MikeJezZ

When I started, I chosed a Guardian. My friend is a Warrior so  I would find it boring to be the same class.

 

This game is not about tank/dps/healer, but I did fear that Guardian would be quite bad in damaging/surviving in PvP.

 

I am level 35 now, and it feels like I give insane amount of damage with my 2 hander, while I can last long (spent all my traist in tough/health.)

 

Is this bugged or something? I mean he deals insane damage and heals quite well. But should he actually be to do this? Or can we expect a nerf?

 

Only sad thing about Guardian wit ha greatsword, is number 2 on the action bar is a bit boring. Make a ring that deals damage if they are inside it, though it retaliates (and make you stand still).

 

Retaliation, however, is pretty evil ^^

 

But if the Guardian is actually allmost like the warrior regarding HP and damage if specced right, whats the real difference between them?

 

Mostly just arsenal of weapon choice and the abilities are more defensive as a guardian?

 

Any tried Guardian with staff? Is he awesome as a caster?

 

If one tries to build what would normally be a trinity class, one becomes quite overpowered.  Same happens with a warrior, when specing and gearing towards defence.  Heath regen and mitigation is really high, to the point where you can just stand there having a few equal level mobs beating on you, and your health bar hardly moves before regen'ing.  I suspect it's a balancing issue, and is pretty much unstoppable in pvp, being able to take on a few players by one self.

 

As for the difference between the two classes.  Guardian has stronger heals, and offers more mitigation to a group through support mechanics.  A warrior is more straight dps, with tanking like mechanics.

Finally someone else that see's what I see.  Up until about 40 I stacked Toughness/Vitality stuff and traits.  It made WvW just a lol moment.  If I didn't have at least 3 or more GOOD dps people hitting on me, I could sit there and rez someone in their face, and there was nothing they could do about it. 

That's why I laughed when in another thread someone said Thief was good at killing Warriors.  Considering how many times I had run into a solo one or a tag team and the fights ended with them dying or running away I found hiliarious.  With my signets up and toughness/vitality stacked at best they could tickle me.

Roin ssh, they might nerf us so we cant DPS in PvP...

I can imagine guardian being strong with +healing and toughness in PvP....

Originally posted by MikeJezZ
Roin ssh, they might nerf us so we cant DPS in PvP...

The sensible action would be to nerf mitigation if it is that problematic.

Though, it is probably best to see how things are looking in another month or so.  This early there could be dozens of things we're missing about the big picture.

Originally posted by Roin

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by MikeJezZ

When I started, I chosed a Guardian. My friend is a Warrior so  I would find it boring to be the same class.

 

This game is not about tank/dps/healer, but I did fear that Guardian would be quite bad in damaging/surviving in PvP.

 

I am level 35 now, and it feels like I give insane amount of damage with my 2 hander, while I can last long (spent all my traist in tough/health.)

 

Is this bugged or something? I mean he deals insane damage and heals quite well. But should he actually be to do this? Or can we expect a nerf?

 

Only sad thing about Guardian wit ha greatsword, is number 2 on the action bar is a bit boring. Make a ring that deals damage if they are inside it, though it retaliates (and make you stand still).

 

Retaliation, however, is pretty evil ^^

 

But if the Guardian is actually allmost like the warrior regarding HP and damage if specced right, whats the real difference between them?

 

Mostly just arsenal of weapon choice and the abilities are more defensive as a guardian?

 

Any tried Guardian with staff? Is he awesome as a caster?

 

If one tries to build what would normally be a trinity class, one becomes quite overpowered.  Same happens with a warrior, when specing and gearing towards defence.  Heath regen and mitigation is really high, to the point where you can just stand there having a few equal level mobs beating on you, and your health bar hardly moves before regen'ing.  I suspect it's a balancing issue, and is pretty much unstoppable in pvp, being able to take on a few players by one self.

 

As for the difference between the two classes.  Guardian has stronger heals, and offers more mitigation to a group through support mechanics.  A warrior is more straight dps, with tanking like mechanics.

Finally someone else that see's what I see.  Up until about 40 I stacked Toughness/Vitality stuff and traits.  It made WvW just a lol moment.  If I didn't have at least 3 or more GOOD dps people hitting on me, I could sit there and rez someone in their face, and there was nothing they could do about it. 

That's why I laughed when in another thread someone said Thief was good at killing Warriors.  Considering how many times I had run into a solo one or a tag team and the fights ended with them dying or running away I found hiliarious.  With my signets up and toughness/vitality stacked at best they could tickle me.

Had that happen to me.  Saw a player get killed, by two.  Ran over and res'ed him, with the 2 beating on me.  Hp hardly moved.  Slaughtered them after the res.

My one hander sword and tourch guardian owns the crap out of everything.

Both pve and pvp..

Im playing a warrior, which is lvl 70 now - I have been specced into toughness and vit my self, and havent really been able to die due to specific traits and otherwise utitlity skills and healing skill.

However, when you get further up the levels and into higher leveled areas, the mobs starts to get a lot more HP, I started to notice this in the mid 50's - Killing something started to take quite a lot longer than it did before, even though I was able to survive, actually killing something would take some time - I especially noticed this when I grouped up with people who were otherwise specced for damage, who was quite capable of killing things a lot faster than me.

I specced vit and toughness since I wanted to have a control role character who otherwise would be able to take a lot of punishment.

If specced right, the warrior is quite capable of doing massive amounts of burst damage, and general very good at keeping the pressure on when it comes to damage.

Originally posted by MikeJezZ
But the guardian heals passively well.

As do warriors, with the correct signets and traits.  Most self heals/regen though.

Necros are good counters to guardians....

buff sheer and kite.

Originally posted by Raven
In sPVP Guardians are exactly what the OP states, they have good damage and insane survivability, it is not uncommon to see 2 guardians just run to your base at the start with 5 people not being able to stop them, I hope they do tweak the numbers on it, cause at the moment its a bit much in my opinion.

The thing is though, is it that those people playing the guardians that run to the base and hold everyone off good at playing the class, or are they really bad and the class is OP?

What I really dont wanna see is any class nerfed because a few people who dont know how to play the class complain. My highest toon atm is my Guaridan, lvl 24, and I find that the class is not OP in any way. They do what they are supposed to and thats all. I find that when I didnt know the class very well it was harder to stay alive, but now that I know the class better I find it to be very enjoyable, with plenty of survivability if you have the right skills selected for what your trying to do.

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by MikeJezZ
But the guardian heals passively well.

 

As do warriors, with the correct signets and traits.  Most self heals/regen though.

:( I dont know if I should have picked a warrior instead.

I like my Guardian though.. But are afraid of the "tank" talk...

Originally posted by Angier2758

Necros are good counters to guardians....

 

buff sheer and kite.

Not against a defence stacked one.  Just need to switch weapons to prevent the kiting, hinder, switch back to melee and rehinder. Pretty much over after that.

***edit.  Nm, just noticed you said guardian.

Originally posted by Angier2758

Necros are good counters to guardians....

 

buff sheer and kite.

Necros are piss easy thanks to flashing blades low cool down.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Flashing_Blade

So when it comes down, warrior and guardian are good at dealing damage and survive. Its just the difference how they do it?

My only problem is that "Symbol of Wrath" seems so useless in PvP...

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Angier2758

Necros are good counters to guardians....

 

buff sheer and kite.

Necros are piss easy thanks to flashing blades low cool down.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Flashing_Blade

Gonna laugh at that sorry.

Oh wait necros can still get away easily.... do guardians even have a snare?

/yawn.

Originally posted by MikeJezZ
Can anyone tell me what Symbol of Wrath is good for in PvP?

Guardians are excellent for PVP. Both WVW and sPVP.

They bring much more utility for group, and are nearly unkillable.

They do bring less damage than warrior. But damage is not everything

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by MikeJezZ
Can anyone tell me what Symbol of Wrath is good for in PvP?

Guardians are excellent for PVP. Both WVW and sPVP.

They bring much more utility for group, and are nearly unkillable.

 

They do bring less damage than warrior. But damage is not everything

Again, whats symbol of wrath good for :P

Even though damage is lower, the hp regen compensates for it right?

I dont want to be slammed or die if someone jumps me 100%.

So if I want to slam, its the wrong class. Then I should have been a warrior?

However, I dont need to do as much damage as a warrior, if I heal more than a warrior, so he actually in the end deal as much damage as me anyways.

weak ranged damage, and as you get higher level, the two hander sword damage normals out.

Guardians are best in group. or defensive.

Originally posted by MikeJezZ

Originally posted by Lobotomist

Originally posted by MikeJezZ
Can anyone tell me what Symbol of Wrath is good for in PvP?

Guardians are excellent for PVP. Both WVW and sPVP.

They bring much more utility for group, and are nearly unkillable.

 

They do bring less damage than warrior. But damage is not everything

Again, whats symbol of wrath good for :P

 

Even though damage is lower, the hp regen compensates for it right?

 

I dont want to be slammed or die if someone jumps me 100%.

 

So if I want to slam, its the wrong class. Then I should have been a warrior?

 

However, I dont need to do as much damage as a warrior, if I heal more than a warrior, so he actually in the end deal as much damage as me anyways.

its only a slight damage reflection,

and requires cast to use unless traited.

so that means stoping in melee. aka Kiteable...