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  trenshod

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Joined: 7/28/11
Posts: 129

8/30/12 10:08:46 AM#61
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by trenshod
Originally posted by Goldknyght

Reasons I beleive GW2 will be a failure is because its not as innovative as WoW was when it stole everything good from MMO's. When WoW did it there was 1 other MMO that was even worth playing and that was EverQuest. DAoC had its fan base it just wasnt on the level of EQ. By the time WoW came out, People were ready for something different. Today there are too many mmo's out there. I blame WoW for this.

Only Reason

GW2 will be a bust because its only fun because its the new girl or boy whichever is ur liking. In this world of MMO's we just look for the next one and lie to ourselves that this one is the one. I know this because its happened to myself with TOR and my friends with TERA. Once the newness wears off these threads like mine will become common.

Graphics are good, the world is fresh, the quests are the same, the classes the same. the grind is the same. Only reason to purchase this game I can honestly say is because its free after purchase as long as the servers are still active that is and theoreticly it could possible be worth 60 bucks of entertainment if u put it in scales of taking a family of 4 to the movies. 

I wanted to like this game. IM FIENDING for a fantasy MMO thats worth playing. This just isnt it. I compare all fantasy games to Everquest 1 and what seperates EQ from every MMO released is, it was a world you wanted to explore. No one guided you, you played a character in a game and created your own story.  I'll save my money stick with Vanguard. 

Glad you guys who love the game love it more power to ya. I just wanted a thread so if someone was on the line about purchasing it and didnt buy it yet would have a non bias prespective.Only because of all the glory threads on this forum. Sorry for any typo's im tired and my head hurts.

Your point is mute seeing the game is already deemed a success. Even though copy sold numbers haven't been made public we can safely assume that we are talking copies sold in the millions (several million).

 

SWTOR had millions and millions of copies sold also....I bet you wont say that made SWTOR a success.

Sure it was a success for what it was at the time. Keep in mind they had a P2P model which in turn was one of its downfalls. GW2 is for the most part going off box sales and whatever they can generate from the cash shop. Both games (GW2 and SWTOR) were both successful at launch. Keep your eye on SWTOR its going to get extremely popular here in a few months. Not that I'll be returning but F2P has a sneaky way of flipping a game.

  botrytis

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Posts: 2516

8/30/12 10:09:16 AM#62
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by jdnyc
Originally posted by teakbois
 

Really i think GW2 has WoW on this.  No trinity

Oddly.  The No Trinity thing is a bit of a drawback for many when talking about dungeons.  I find the dungeon encounters a little boring myself.

Oddly, I am the exact opposite. The idea of no more trinity and thus elitism in that is what I find intriguing (not saying there won't be elitism - that aways seems to happen).

 

I wish people would stop comparing the two games. They are night and day although they are both MMO's.

Night and Day? Uhm.... No.

DayZ and WoW is night and day. GW 2 has lot more similarities than differences to WoW.

  • Same type of structured ThemePark content. I.e. go from bracketed level area to do quests.
  • Maps with clearly marked places to go
  • Class and level based
  • Casual
  • Quest based
  • Instanced
Not saying they are the same but they are in the same sub-type where as games like DayZ definitely are not.

Not really structured - you lost that point. I dont have to do any heart quests and just wander around if I want to. WoW is LINEAR - GW2 is not.

 

Maps - again they just point out the obvious don't they - again I can go where nothing is pointed to on the map if I want and do things there - point lost.

 

Class and level yes - but if I am a higher level and go into a lower level area - my level scales to that. DIFFERENT so not the same!!!

 

PvP is not casual in this game so it is a mix. Wnat to be casual - fine - dont want to be fine. SORRY again

 

Not instanced except for dungeons and personal story - WRONG AGAIN

 

You just regurgitated information that is false so you have shown you know NOTHING about the game.  It is obvious to any one that actually HAS played the game.

 

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
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  Nephaerius

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Joined: 9/18/09
Posts: 1455

8/30/12 10:09:49 AM#63
Originally posted by Goldknyght

Reasons I beleive GW2 will be a failure is because its not as innovative as WoW was when it stole everything good from MMO's. When WoW did it there was 1 other MMO that was even worth playing and that was EverQuest. DAoC had its fan base it just wasnt on the level of EQ. By the time WoW came out, People were ready for something different. Today there are too many mmo's out there. I blame WoW for this.

Only Reason

GW2 will be a bust because its only fun because its the new girl or boy whichever is ur liking. In this world of MMO's we just look for the next one and lie to ourselves that this one is the one. I know this because its happened to myself with TOR and my friends with TERA. Once the newness wears off these threads like mine will become common.

Graphics are good, the world is fresh, the quests are the same, the classes the same. the grind is the same. Only reason to purchase this game I can honestly say is because its free after purchase as long as the servers are still active that is and theoreticly it could possible be worth 60 bucks of entertainment if u put it in scales of taking a family of 4 to the movies. 

I wanted to like this game. IM FIENDING for a fantasy MMO thats worth playing. This just isnt it. I compare all fantasy games to Everquest 1 and what seperates EQ from every MMO released is, it was a world you wanted to explore. No one guided you, you played a character in a game and created your own story.  I'll save my money stick with Vanguard. 

Glad you guys who love the game love it more power to ya. I just wanted a thread so if someone was on the line about purchasing it and didnt buy it yet would have a non bias prespective.Only because of all the glory threads on this forum. Sorry for any typo's im tired and my head hurts.

Ok so it's not launching in the same environment as WoW launched in.... The quests are the same, but quest delivery is not, classes are actually quite different from the standard due to skill attachment to weapons, the world is awesome and feels like you actually inhabit it, there really is no grind at all (I'm lvl 40+ at this point).....  Really sounds like you never played outside of the starter zone.

Have fun in Vanguard =)

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  Kost

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Joined: 1/15/10
Posts: 1978

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8/30/12 10:10:13 AM#64

So many clowns who haven't even played, yet think they have a clue.

Get a grip.

  Stx11

Novice Member

Joined: 11/28/09
Posts: 420

8/30/12 10:13:57 AM#65
Originally posted by Yamota

Night and Day? Uhm.... No.

DayZ and WoW is night and day. GW 2 has lot more similarities than differences to WoW.

  • Same type of structured ThemePark content. I.e. go from bracketed level area to do quests.
  • Maps with clearly marked places to go
  • Class and level based
  • Casual
  • Quest based
  • Instanced
Not saying they are the same but they are in the same sub-type where as games like DayZ definitely are not.

Quest-Based?

Bracketed Level Areas to do "Quests?!?

I haven't played that way at all. I leave an Outpost, pick a direction, and go. Sometimes I'm exploring. Sometimes I help somebody in the area (actual player or NPC).

My friend mentioned a place to find ore in the Asura starting area. I wandered over and got caught up in a big fight against swarms of level 4 monsters in which I helped out but in no way dominated everybody else there... and I was level 21!

tldr: It's only a follow-the-breadcrumbs Hearts/Personal Story/check-items-off-map game if YOU choose to play it that way. And that makes it your problem, not the game's.

  thedge

Novice Member

Joined: 7/03/04
Posts: 48

8/30/12 10:21:12 AM#66


Originally posted by Goldknyght
innovative as WoW

Exclamation and question marks above quest givers = WoW's innovations

Wow just made mmo's fun for the masses. I believe this is the same thing GW2 is doing as well. They have stripped down a lot of the boredom and confusing parts of mmo's to make it more accessible and fun. WoW did the same thing when it was released by borrowing many ideas that were already out and just making them better for main stream.

Some people hate this stripping down approach, some people like it. That is the way its going to be.

Overall if you can't look beyond the newness of GW2 and see some unique approaches and the benefits to them, then I don't think anyone can help you see things differently.

  Gaborik

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Joined: 2/10/08
Posts: 313

8/30/12 10:21:38 AM#67
Originally posted by Kost

So many clowns who haven't even played, yet think they have a clue.

Get a grip.

 

There are so many clowns that have been obsessed with GW2 since it was announced. These clowns have been throwing temper tantrums ever since when someone doesnt share their opinion on this game. They dont have a clue get a grip!
  Muntz

Advanced Member

Joined: 10/09/09
Posts: 290

8/30/12 10:25:02 AM#68
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by Kost

So many clowns who haven't even played, yet think they have a clue.

Get a grip.

 

There are so many clowns that have been obsessed with GW2 since it was announced. These clowns have been throwing temper tantrums ever since when someone doesnt share their opinion on this game. They dont have a clue get a grip!

Don't pull a groin, geez. 

Please point out where the OP has a clue.

  agriffin85

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Joined: 9/03/07
Posts: 67

8/30/12 10:25:13 AM#69
Originally posted by Goldknyght

Reasons I beleive GW2 will be a failure is because its not as innovative as WoW was when it stole everything good from MMO's. When WoW did it there was 1 other MMO that was even worth playing and that was EverQuest. DAoC had its fan base it just wasnt on the level of EQ. By the time WoW came out, People were ready for something different. Today there are too many mmo's out there. I blame WoW for this.

Only Reason

GW2 will be a bust because its only fun because its the new girl or boy whichever is ur liking. In this world of MMO's we just look for the next one and lie to ourselves that this one is the one. I know this because its happened to myself with TOR and my friends with TERA. Once the newness wears off these threads like mine will become common.

Graphics are good, the world is fresh, the quests are the same, the classes the same. the grind is the same. Only reason to purchase this game I can honestly say is because its free after purchase as long as the servers are still active that is and theoreticly it could possible be worth 60 bucks of entertainment if u put it in scales of taking a family of 4 to the movies. 

I wanted to like this game. IM FIENDING for a fantasy MMO thats worth playing. This just isnt it. I compare all fantasy games to Everquest 1 and what seperates EQ from every MMO released is, it was a world you wanted to explore. No one guided you, you played a character in a game and created your own story.  I'll save my money stick with Vanguard. 

Glad you guys who love the game love it more power to ya. I just wanted a thread so if someone was on the line about purchasing it and didnt buy it yet would have a non bias prespective.Only because of all the glory threads on this forum. Sorry for any typo's im tired and my head hurts.

 

No offense, but you need to wake the fuck up.

It sounds like your only logical reason for your opinion is that it doesn't feel like EQ1 circa 1999.  It seems like this post was more of a doorway for you to rant about nostalgia and not meant to show any rational reasons.

I've got news for you, if you're constantly looking for a game that's going to make you feel like EQ1 did, and tearing every game down that doesn't, you're gonna have a very very miserable MMO life.  NO game will ever make you feel like EQ1 did for reasons beyond the game itself.  You were put into a wide world in a time where no one even knew what an MMO was.  You got the sense of adventure that is just frankly not possible for you anymore (sorry to break your heart).  EQ1 was your first love and nothing will feel the same as that, my suggestion is get over her and get on with your life.

 

PS.  I'm not a GW2 fanboy, I just hate seeing new and innovative games publicly bashed because of personal biassed.

  botrytis

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8/30/12 10:28:29 AM#70
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by Kost

So many clowns who haven't even played, yet think they have a clue.

Get a grip.

 

There are so many clowns that have been obsessed with GW2 since it was announced. These clowns have been throwing temper tantrums ever since when someone doesnt share their opinion on this game. They dont have a clue get a grip!

The knife cuts both ways.

 

BUT, an opinion stated where others KNOW it is not true does tend to push one's buttons.

 

Please be AT LEAST SOMEWHAT informed on the topic before posting an opinion.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
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  Soandsoso

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8/30/12 10:28:52 AM#71

One reason why GW appeared successful and why GW2 will appear to be successful is that the franchise is carried by the other games owned by NCSoft. GW made up 3% of NCSofts profit in 2009 and 1% so far in 2012. Aion, Lineage, and l2 make up most of NCSofts profits allowing the GW franchise to survive.

 

On its own who knows if Arenanet would be able to survive.

  Wakygreek

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8/30/12 10:29:30 AM#72

I understand where your coming from OP, but please keep in mind that the genre needs to change. It is very fun to play MMORPG's like WoW and EQ, however this new age of gamers brings in more casuality (totally made that up). It is important for companies to change their approach, look at SWTOR for example. They basically copied WoW and added in VO and a star wars skin, what happened? Their game bombed because there was nothing else there. At least GW2 is trying something a little more unique. I think what A-net is doing is the right approach, we need games that give common goals that promote community.

I know when I play GW2, no matter what I do in the game ... people 99.9% of the time go out of their way to help me if I am having trouble with a DE or skill duel. I can't think of any other game where people go out of their way to help you.

  Gaborik

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8/30/12 10:31:01 AM#73
Originally posted by Muntz
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by Kost

So many clowns who haven't even played, yet think they have a clue.

Get a grip.

 

There are so many clowns that have been obsessed with GW2 since it was announced. These clowns have been throwing temper tantrums ever since when someone doesnt share their opinion on this game. They dont have a clue get a grip!

Don't pull a groin, geez. 

Please point out where the OP has a clue.

 

Again because the OP doesn't agree with your views of a video game he has no clue? Pretty much the exact point I was making thank you for helping me make my point.
  botrytis

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8/30/12 10:32:21 AM#74
Originally posted by Soandsoso

One reason why GW appeared successful and why GW2 will appear to be successful is that the franchise is carried by the other games owned by NCSoft. GW made up 3% of NCSofts profit in 2009 and 1% so far in 2012. Aion, Lineage, and l2 make up most of NCSofts profits allowing the GW franchise to survive.

 

On its own who knows if Arenanet would be able to survive.

I think A.Net would be able to survive. Innovation in ideas is usually rewarded. If NCSoft did not buy A.Net one of the others would have. I am happy they weren't bought by EA - GW2 would never had seen the light of day.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  Muntz

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Joined: 10/09/09
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8/30/12 10:35:14 AM#75
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by Muntz
Originally posted by Gaborik
Originally posted by Kost

So many clowns who haven't even played, yet think they have a clue.

Get a grip.

 

There are so many clowns that have been obsessed with GW2 since it was announced. These clowns have been throwing temper tantrums ever since when someone doesnt share their opinion on this game. They dont have a clue get a grip!

Don't pull a groin, geez. 

Please point out where the OP has a clue.

 

Again because the OP doesn't agree with your views of a video game he has no clue? Pretty much the exact point I was making thank you for helping me make my point.

lol, not what I said at all but nice try. 

  trenshod

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Joined: 7/28/11
Posts: 129

8/30/12 10:39:04 AM#76
Originally posted by Stx11
Originally posted by Yamota

Night and Day? Uhm.... No.

DayZ and WoW is night and day. GW 2 has lot more similarities than differences to WoW.

  • Same type of structured ThemePark content. I.e. go from bracketed level area to do quests.
  • Maps with clearly marked places to go
  • Class and level based
  • Casual
  • Quest based
  • Instanced
Not saying they are the same but they are in the same sub-type where as games like DayZ definitely are not.

Quest-Based?

Bracketed Level Areas to do "Quests?!?

I haven't played that way at all. I leave an Outpost, pick a direction, and go. Sometimes I'm exploring. Sometimes I help somebody in the area (actual player or NPC).

My friend mentioned a place to find ore in the Asura starting area. I wandered over and got caught up in a big fight against swarms of level 4 monsters in which I helped out but in no way dominated everybody else there... and I was level 21!

tldr: It's only a follow-the-breadcrumbs Hearts/Personal Story/check-items-off-map game if YOU choose to play it that way. And that makes it your problem, not the game's.

Casual - game is definitely designed for the casual gamer (B2P come on that sreams casual)

Maps with clearly marked places to go -  yes and no, some things are clearly marked as others appear disappear at random intervals. The so called dynamic content is both a condition and a boon to the overall scheme. For the most part its a boon.

Quest based -  yes and no they kinda hide that and give it the appearance your dealing with dynamic content. From my experiences up to level 30 nothing is truly dynamic in the game. Everything becomes predictable and nothing truly gets to a point that it can't be brought back to how it was originally with little effort.

Instanced - for sure every zone is instanced granted they are large but your unable to traverse a entire continent without a loading screen. Warhammer did the same thing where as in WoW you could walk from one end of a continent to the other without a single loading screen.

  Soandsoso

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Joined: 3/08/12
Posts: 435

8/30/12 10:40:04 AM#77
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Soandsoso

One reason why GW appeared successful and why GW2 will appear to be successful is that the franchise is carried by the other games owned by NCSoft. GW made up 3% of NCSofts profit in 2009 and 1% so far in 2012. Aion, Lineage, and l2 make up most of NCSofts profits allowing the GW franchise to survive.

 

On its own who knows if Arenanet would be able to survive.

I think A.Net would be able to survive. Innovation in ideas is usually rewarded. If NCSoft did not buy A.Net one of the others would have. I am happy they weren't bought by EA - GW2 would never had seen the light of day.

I look at it this way.

When an athlete has someone paying the bills its easy to just work at their sport and win the gold. But when the same athlete has to work 9-5 they are lucky if they make the podium.

 

Pretty sure that if Anet didn't have money coming from the parent company they wouldn't have been able to make GW2 based on the little profits GW generated. Then you have to think how much of GW operating costs were covered by the other games.

 

If Anet had to stand own its own 2 feet you have to wonder would GW have been the game it is? Would they have had the money to make GW2?

  Zadawn

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Posts: 672

8/30/12 10:42:49 AM#78
the grind?where?

  agriffin85

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Posts: 67

8/30/12 10:43:14 AM#79
o_O GW2 is designed for ANYTHING but casual.  The questing may seem that way but the core of the game is fast and skill based PvP.  That's not for casual players.
  Macecard

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Joined: 2/03/10
Posts: 146

8/30/12 10:43:45 AM#80

So bored of these threads.

Why does an mmo have to have a pop greater than wow to not fail? hasn't anyone noticed that there is more than 1 game in the industry?

there are tons of games that are terrible, browser based, grindfest that are far worse than anything the average user on here has played and they survive, in this apparently failful industry.

please stop these ridiculous thread.

If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you.
It easy to type 'I think this is the worst game ever'
Rather than the 'This is the worst game ever'

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