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  otacu

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Joined: 4/08/12
Posts: 552

8/30/12 8:26:09 AM#21
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Goldknyght
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Goldknyght

Reasons I beleive GW2 will be a failure is because its not as innovative as WoW was when it stole everything good from MMO's. When WoW did it there was 1 other MMO that was even worth playing and that was EverQuest. DAoC had its fan base it just wasnt on the level of EQ. By the time WoW came out, People were ready for something different. Today there are too many mmo's out there. I blame WoW for this.

Only Reason

GW2 will be a bust because its only fun because its the new girl or boy whichever is ur liking. In this world of MMO's we just look for the next one and lie to ourselves that this one is the one. I know this because its happened to myself with TOR and my friends with TERA. Once the newness wears off these threads like mine will become common.

Graphics are good, the world is fresh, the quests are the same, the classes the same. the grind is the same. Only reason to purchase this game I can honestly say is because its free after purchase as long as the servers are still active that is and theoreticly it could possible be worth 60 bucks of entertainment if u put it in scales of taking a family of 4 to the movies. 

I wanted to like this game. IM FIENDING for a fantasy MMO thats worth playing. This just isnt it. I compare all fantasy games to Everquest 1 and what seperates EQ from every MMO released is, it was a world you wanted to explore. No one guided you, you played a character in a game and created your own story.  I'll save my money stick with Vanguard. 

Glad you guys who love the game love it more power to ya. I just wanted a thread so if someone was on the line about purchasing it and didnt buy it yet would have a non bias prespective.Only because of all the glory threads on this forum. Sorry for any typo's im tired and my head hurts.

You gave me background information on GW2 and your personal opinion about it, but you still haven't told me why I'm really not having fun playing when I believe that I am.

I did highlighted in Red

But.......I'm having fun.

It doesnt matter. He said GW2 will be a bust.

He doesn't like it and will stick with Vanguard. Arenanet is doomed.

  Nadia

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Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 11576

8/30/12 8:26:48 AM#22
Originally posted by vardar
Originally posted by Nadia

there were many good mmos before WOW

Gamespy even did a mmo feature written in 2003 - a full year before WOW released

http://archive.gamespy.com/amdmmog/week4/index.shtml

He states that " 1 other MMO that was even worth playing was Everquest" not that it was the ONLY game you can play.

and I challenge that all those mmos i listed were worth playing -- all the mmos had a good fanbase

especially Stars Wars Galaxies and Final Fantasy XI

  User Deleted
8/30/12 8:29:58 AM#23

When WoW was released, the only other MMORPG "worth playing" was Everquest?

Someone, tell me I didn't just read this, please... (I see someone else already corrected the OP on this).

Otherwise, yeah, some people like the OP believe that the EQ/WoW Clone "raid/gear grind" model is the only way to make a MMORPG, and those will most likely not like GW2. But there are also people who played Wow casually and never for the gear grind, and more important, all those who played games like Ultima Online, Asheron's Call, or even DAoC, who know that the EQ/WoW clone model is NOT the only one possible for a MMORPG.

Vanguard is another of those gear grind based games - and if the OP likes that model, I really can't blame him for playing games offering it - what I disagree with though is that once again, a poster pretends knowing that GW2 will "fail" (or here "be a bust") because if his own opinion of what a MMORPG should be.

  MMOwanderer

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Joined: 8/23/12
Posts: 417

8/30/12 8:32:35 AM#24

The only thing i agree on is the WOW part. I see alot of comparasions syaing GW2's doing what WOW did in 2004 and because so seem to believe that means it will be a sucess.

The situations where completly different.

Now, with that said, the only reason you state is because people will get bored of it in a few months. It's obviously a great possiblity. Many will leave the game for sure, even before the 1st month is up, however, there's no way to determine how many.

Hell, i don't even completly believe those who say this game'll grow after launch, but i still consider it a possibilty.

Declaring bust on a less than 1 week old game is just foolish. Not to meantion when you don't provide concrete facts about it. All you have is your opinion. Many are having fun right now. Sure, maybe the honeymoon period will be over eventually. Maybe it will last and will be here to stay. But, until then, how about abit of patience, and more facts, before the doom saying?

 

  syanmar

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Joined: 10/08/06
Posts: 30

8/30/12 8:32:57 AM#25

+1 for the OP.  It's a personal opinion. On a gaming forum. Not some Quality feedback form for the company.

You can try to measure everything, still some just have it, some does not.

GW2 does not. 

Still I will give it some time, maybe I'll love it as I have loved the first one. 

  eAzydaman

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Joined: 8/21/07
Posts: 220

8/30/12 8:41:25 AM#26
Originally posted by Goldknyght

Reasons I beleive GW2 will be a failure is because its not as innovative as WoW was when it stole everything good from MMO's. When WoW did it there was 1 other MMO that was even worth playing and that was EverQuest. DAoC had its fan base it just wasnt on the level of EQ. By the time WoW came out, People were ready for something different. Today there are too many mmo's out there. I blame WoW for this.

Only Reason

GW2 will be a bust because its only fun because its the new girl or boy whichever is ur liking. In this world of MMO's we just look for the next one and lie to ourselves that this one is the one. I know this because its happened to myself with TOR and my friends with TERA. Once the newness wears off these threads like mine will become common.

Graphics are good, the world is fresh, the quests are the same, the classes the same. the grind is the same. Only reason to purchase this game I can honestly say is because its free after purchase as long as the servers are still active that is and theoreticly it could possible be worth 60 bucks of entertainment if u put it in scales of taking a family of 4 to the movies. 

I wanted to like this game. IM FIENDING for a fantasy MMO thats worth playing. This just isnt it. I compare all fantasy games to Everquest 1 and what seperates EQ from every MMO released is, it was a world you wanted to explore. No one guided you, you played a character in a game and created your own story.  I'll save my money stick with Vanguard. 

Glad you guys who love the game love it more power to ya. I just wanted a thread so if someone was on the line about purchasing it and didnt buy it yet would have a non bias prespective.Only because of all the glory threads on this forum. Sorry for any typo's im tired and my head hurts.

I know excatly what this is, don't even try to compare a game to your first MMO love :) Trust me, for me nothing will EVER come close to the feeling I got playing DAOC. I have to disagree with you that everquest was better, DAOC's PVP was amazing. 

For me GW2 is the best thing since DAOC, it's good enough. The only thing I miss is the sense of exploring I got from DAOC, could wander off for hours not knowing what I would find. GW2 is a little bit to "marked up". But the PVP is truly great. This will hold my attention for years, it's better than anything in the MMO market right now. 

  GoSonics

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Joined: 6/20/05
Posts: 167

8/30/12 8:49:00 AM#27
Think you might want to learn what bias means. You claim your opinion absolute truth and then claim a non biased opinion.
  mayito7777

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Joined: 7/08/09
Posts: 432

8/30/12 8:52:21 AM#28
Like Kungfu panda (the new expansion of WoW) is innovative
  markyturnip

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Joined: 11/03/05
Posts: 853

8/30/12 8:53:50 AM#29
Originally posted by Goldknyght

my head hurts.

 

  lizardbones

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Joined: 6/11/08
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8/30/12 8:59:13 AM#30


Originally posted by Goldknyght

Originally posted by lizardbones
How are you objectively measuring the "innovation level" of the two games?


Originally posted by Goldknyght
Not trying to write a novel about it, just saying there is nothing innovative about GW2.

How are you defining innovation in the MMORPG genre?


Originally posted by Goldknyght
As innovation i would say somthing that hasnt been done or if has its done better in a way that it felt different.

How sure are you that your experience with ToR applies to everyone else who's playing GW2?


Originally posted by Goldknyght
Easy because I was posting same type of threads and now TOR is uninstalled.


How sure are you that the factors you've listed are the primary drivers behind WoW's success? How sure are you that those drivers are relevant to GW2's success?

Originally posted by Goldknyght
I believe WoW's success was because it was created in what I would coin the Goldylocks Era. Not to few mmo's where theres not alot of players and not to late where there is a flood of MMO's (like today). It was made at the right time where there was only 2 to 4 other MMO's to even consider playing.




I'm not saying you're wrong. You might be right. It seems like you came to your conclusion first, and then rooted around for some reasons after reaching your conclusion (to me).

Originally posted by Goldknyght
Sorry for that kinda sleepy



You've applied your personal experience to a million plus people. You're using a very loosely defined term in "innovation" and you're assuming that a portion of the factors that lead to WoW's success are the primary driving factors behind whether or not GW2 will be successful.

Originally posted by Goldknyght
But isnt everyone on here who is saying they are having a blast comparing their personal experiences? I gave few reasons, but I hit on the main one.






I'm using the BBML editor, so your red text has gone missing. I'm going to try to make it bold or something, but no guarantees.

It's not the opinion that is suspect because opinions can't be right or wrong. It's the conclusion that GW2 will fail or be successful because of the opinions that is suspect. If the conclusion depends on people sharing your opinion, and not on objective facts, then the conclusion is suspect. You're going to have a hard time getting a consensus on what innovation even means, much less a consensus on how to compare the innovation of WoW to GW2.

The bit about conclusion first, justification afterwards is how most decisions are made by humans. What you've outlined just looks like this process to me because the reasons depend on subjective agreement to be true. There's no measuring stick for innovation and no clear definition, so it depends on someone having the same opinion as you to be true.

Again, you could still be right. However, if GW2 does go bust, the reasons will be much more objective and measurable than what you've outlined. The environment that the games have been released in is a better reason. That seems much more objective to me...much more measurable.

Interesting Note:
Our unconscious mind makes most of our decisions quickly, including things like whether we believe a game will succeed or fail. After our unconscious mind makes the decision, it's passed off to our conscious mind to justify the decision. It's like this because our conscious minds are so slow compared to our unconscious minds in making decisions. It's not always like this but most of the time it is, because otherwise we'd almost never get anything done.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  Gravarg

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Joined: 8/24/06
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8/30/12 9:00:01 AM#31

"Innovation is the creation of better or more effective productsprocessesservicestechnologies, or ideas that are readily available tomarketsgovernments, and society. Innovation differs from invention in that innovation refers to the use of a better and, as a result, novel idea or method, whereas invention refers more directly to the creation of the idea or method itself. Innovation differs from improvement in that innovation refers to the notion of doing something different (Lat. innovare: "to change") rather than doing the same thing better."

 

By definition WoW is the most innovative game ever...They took what was already there and cut out the bad or slow parts, mashed the two major games at the time together and you have WoW.  I think alot of people get invention and innovation mixed up.

  User Deleted
8/30/12 9:06:17 AM#32
Originally posted by Goldknyght

Reasons I beleive GW2 will be a failure

Its already sold over a million units in pre-order downloads alone so your very first sentance makes no sence at all .

So comercially speaking you've already been proven wrong . If your talking about it being an innovative faliure its so soon atter launch its impossible to have experianced enough of the game to know one way or another .

Most people I know are having a blast in it so far a few launch issues aside .

I think a more apt title for your thread would be " why Guild Wars 2 doesn't appeal to me"

I do have some sympathy for you though I would like to see games like Everquest 1 being released today but things have moved on . Back then you could have a couple of hundred thousand subs and be considered a success .

Guild Wars 2 is successful already and it looks like its going to grow in popularity over the coming months .

  teakbois

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8/30/12 9:08:56 AM#33
Originally posted by Goldknyght

Reasons I beleive GW2 will be a failure is because its not as innovative as WoW was when it stole everything good from MMO's. When WoW did it there was 1 other MMO that was even worth playing and that was EverQuest. DAoC had its fan base it just wasnt on the level of EQ. By the time WoW came out, People were ready for something different. Today there are too many mmo's out there. I blame WoW for this.

Only Reason

GW2 will be a bust because its only fun because its the new girl or boy whichever is ur liking. In this world of MMO's we just look for the next one and lie to ourselves that this one is the one. I know this because its happened to myself with TOR and my friends with TERA. Once the newness wears off these threads like mine will become common.

Graphics are good, the world is fresh, the quests are the same, the classes the same. the grind is the same. Only reason to purchase this game I can honestly say is because its free after purchase as long as the servers are still active that is and theoreticly it could possible be worth 60 bucks of entertainment if u put it in scales of taking a family of 4 to the movies. 

I wanted to like this game. IM FIENDING for a fantasy MMO thats worth playing. This just isnt it. I compare all fantasy games to Everquest 1 and what seperates EQ from every MMO released is, it was a world you wanted to explore. No one guided you, you played a character in a game and created your own story.  I'll save my money stick with Vanguard. 

Glad you guys who love the game love it more power to ya. I just wanted a thread so if someone was on the line about purchasing it and didnt buy it yet would have a non bias prespective.Only because of all the glory threads on this forum. Sorry for any typo's im tired and my head hurts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhDZN0RFjw

  Aelious

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World > Quest Progression

8/30/12 9:09:51 AM#34
Thank you for your opinion and prediction of the future. I've done the same based on my time playing MMOs, which started with EQ, and discovering what systems GW2 has.

If my experience with 1-17 is any indication it's far superior in every department beyond nostalgic. In fact it's better than any game I have played IMO.

Have fun in your game of choice.
  maji

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8/30/12 9:12:05 AM#35

GW2 reminds me on Rift. They're both solid theme park MMORPGs, with good graphics, a few new mechanics while beeing not too innovative. The main difference is for me right now, that GW2 has more starting zones. That counts a lot for me. On the other hand: Rift is getting regularily new content. Can GW2 offer the same?

Hmmm... I think GW2 will do ok. Whether or it becomes in the long run stronger or weaker than Rift depends on what the developers offers in the next few weeks. *cough* forums *cough*

Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  User Deleted
8/30/12 9:15:54 AM#36
GW2 is already a massive success.  They're hiring more people right now.  That should tell you something.  They're also pushing the game to China right now in one of the largest deals ever for a MMO.  That is not a bust.  GW2 is going to make NCSoft and ANet a lot of money and rightfully so.  It's a great game.
  User Deleted
8/30/12 9:17:38 AM#37
Originally posted by jdnyc
GW2 is already a massive success.  They're hiring more people right now.  That should tell you something.  They're also pushing the game to China right now in one of the largest deals ever for a MMO.  That is not a bust.  GW2 is going to make NCSoft and ANet a lot of money and rightfully so.  It's a great game.

Not even a week old and it is already a success ? Many games sell over 1 mill at launch, this is nothing new.

  teakbois

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8/30/12 9:19:23 AM#38
Originally posted by Gravarg

"innovation refers to the notion of doing something different"

 

By definition WoW is the most innovative game ever

Really i think GW2 has WoW on this.  No trinity, no traditional quest system, content scaling, overflow zones, chained DEs, weapon swap skill systems, good xp for every facet of the game (harvesting, crafting, exploring)...GW2 is certainly the most unique themepark released recently.

 

You could make the argument that EQ2 was more innovative than WoW as well.

 

You are confusing the game's popularity with its degree of innovation.

  Gravarg

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8/30/12 9:21:28 AM#39

"Perhaps most interestingly to players, however, is the fact that EA has reported sales of more than 2 million units of The Old Republic with about 1.7 million subscribers."

 

...And many call TOR a failure...

  User Deleted
8/30/12 9:22:32 AM#40
Originally posted by Mephster
Originally posted by jdnyc
GW2 is already a massive success.  They're hiring more people right now.  That should tell you something.  They're also pushing the game to China right now in one of the largest deals ever for a MMO.  That is not a bust.  GW2 is going to make NCSoft and ANet a lot of money and rightfully so.  It's a great game.

Not even a week old and it is already a success ? Many games sell over 1 mill at launch, this is nothing new.

A million pre-orders.  They're hiring more people to handle the load.  No sub.  A ton of people I know in my guild have already bought gems.  They're expanding into China already.  They had 400k concurrent users.  It's not a bust.  We just don't know how big of a success the game will be.

 

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