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  FlawSGI

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All of history is a lie. The truth depends on who does the listening, and who does the telling...

8/25/12 9:13:54 AM#161
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by FlawSGI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsqUZkmO-zk

Francis is now, officially, the gamer I plan envisioning for every DOOOOOM post I read for the day.

Sadly his respons to some feedback on his video also fits here. I can't tell if the guy is mentally handicapped, or a prophet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I81Kr_y0bA&feature=relmfu

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  Nikkita

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8/25/12 9:14:22 AM#162
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by Calerxes
Originally posted by Nikkita
So i guess lessons are learned that it was not a good idea to flame every other MMO that released in past 2 years or so by GW2 fans.

 

Its known as... Poetic Justice.

I don't know how many other fans from other forums flamed GW2 for the past months either. It goes in all directions from everyone. In fact, if you look up at the heading it does say Guld Wars 2-General Discussion and look what is happening.

For the past 2 years or so that ihave been member of these forums i have seen almost every new release been ripped to shreds by GW2 fans. Not saying that others didn't flame GW2 but when one vists game forums for games like Tera, Swtor, Rift., TSW .and every other popular MMO forums  you see a pattern you can not ignore.

Yes haters in general were flaming these MMOS too but GW2 fans made special effort to stand out by making constant comparisons with GW2 every single time.

That is why you would see even a bigger  backlash becaue fans for all these games have been waiting for Anet to screw up so that they can have their last laugh.


Bite Me

  Calerxes

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8/25/12 9:14:53 AM#163
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by TruthXHurts
Originally posted by Preacher26

I logged in @ 12:00am EST (3 hours prior to official head start) and the game was running very smooth. Played for 3 hours and logged off. I had no issues at all.

Woke up to get back in and it seems the witch hunt is on. How do people not understand how launches work by now?

Even your beloved WoW had a ton of downtime at launch.

People are annoying.

+1

+2 the funniest part is all the people who are so "happy" to see GW2 having server issues... like some feel they "won" something. If i had to guess I'd say gw2 has more pre-purchases than swtor with less than half the servers... computers aren't magical things that are inpenetrable. You can tests something 100 times over and over with no issues and still have issues on the 101st time.. just how computers are anyone who works in the computer buisness knows you need patience.

Agreed. Its kind of entertaining how so many people have absolutely no understanding whatsoever how anything in the tech  world works. They just know stuff works, or doesnt work, but have no idea how it works or how many thousands of tiny little things can bring even an internal network to its knees. Its much much worse for things that are open to the public. They think theres some magical "Fix Everything" button that can be pushed rather than millions/billions of lines of coding to sort through, multiple databases, hardware that can crap out at any time through no fault of their own, etc.

 

Every fan of every launch uses this excuse when their game has problems and GW2 is having multiple problems thus the emotional outpouring. This was the game that was going to change the face of the MMO world and players cannot even play the game that they have paid for so I think people have every reason to bitch as much as they want.

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  Connmacart

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Joined: 2/24/12
Posts: 693

8/25/12 9:15:25 AM#164

Well they made some progress. Can log into GW1 again and the GW2 account page is back up.

They also tweeted they were still working on the problem a few min ago.

  Preacher26

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Joined: 3/22/09
Posts: 377

"This isn't good or bad. It's just the way of things. Nothing stays the same."

8/25/12 9:15:41 AM#165
Originally posted by Svarcanum
In Sweden the game with headstart is 15 euros more than the game without headstart. So I paid 15euros extra for these 3 days.

Well your getting what you paid for.

Did you not know there are downtimes during mmo launches? First timer?

always the same.

 

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4880

8/25/12 9:15:54 AM#166


Originally posted by atticusbc

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Method01 with this launch, the game will go f2p with 3 months....................................................... ooh wait..
And this nonsense is old, it's not helping and it's not funny.
you know what's not helping? any of this. any of the 5000 threads that have started up about the server problems. any of the flame wars raging on this site. none of this is helping. you could go stick bananas in your ears and do a jig and it would help as much. so yeah. get off your high horse, man.

oh also, it is kinda funny. yeah.


The joke is old. It's not funny anymore.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  ViSioN_BCN

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Joined: 4/24/06
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8/25/12 9:17:03 AM#167
Like all the game launches. Dont know why 2 years betatesting with free betatesters and thousand of them for what ? for that ?. Well is a new business dimension on how to thief  a customer wallet, no laws on internet and only their rules, impressive.

  Amjoco

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8/25/12 9:17:09 AM#168
Originally posted by Medicated03
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Let's all cut the nonsense.

ANET sold this. It was what they offered. This happened in Beta. Everyone said "But it's Beta" giving ANET a free pass. Now it's happening in "Head Start" and yet again, I have to hear "But it's not a failed Launch" I don't care how you label it. ANET sold access their game for these events and did not deliver.

In fact, Head Start is ONLY 3 days and now one of them is compromised. After Launch, you can just be patient because then it's Launch, the up and down time happens, But that's not why people gave money to ANET before the release. THIS is why people gave money to ANET prior to release. These 3 days.


Personally, I'm not raging about no access, I can be patient. Eventually, the game will sort itself out, But really, It kinda bothers me that just because deep down inside, some people really really want to have this game succeed, they blind themselves to simple truths.

And this one is that ANET took money for something they FAILED to deliver.

That is still FAIL!

Not to be rude, but people need to use common sense. You only have a certain amount of servers and tens of thousands of people are rushing to login and play. It is impossible for it to work that way! 

You say then, "just add more servers"! Well that sounds awesome, but there are other things involved. Not only the money for the servers but the big fact is that once the population levels out, what happens to the playerbase on each server? What next then? Well you have to then start shutting down and combining servrers. Players get upset, you lose money from the initial server setup and everyone loses. Or, here is the sensible thing, you project what you need in a week or two, and work from there. 

Not to be rude also but if you PAY EXTRA for a service like headstart , the price difference between the 2 is more than enough for them to cover costs of servers and such things, the ammount of "omg GW2"  funny ass defences coming out is cool to read to kill time.....its 2012 comparing this to vanilla WoW launch is stupid for many reasons but as far as i can remember there was no "headstart" for that either, no one paid for 3 days of acess prior to the official "launch".

This is not the only popular MMO to have ever launched...It is however the worst  "headstart" ive ever seen..... Aion at launch time was super popular and the headstart was almost flawless, tera also had large numbers for headstart and had almost no issues im sure there were plenty more in the last 24 months, at the end of the day they had sale projections for a long time and they let everyone who paid for headstart down, defending this fact is silly :D so is basing anythign much of a launch as these days so many games burn out 12 weeks from launch the actual launch seems pretty irrelevant, defenders of the realms put away your keyboards and accept the FACT that they didnt deliver what was paid for, your game still exists its lifespan hasnt changed by a poor launch just Anets rep got a little less shiny

 

Aion had major server consolidations that folks complained about.  No one will ever be happy. I for one would rather wait a few days and let things settle down rather than having to do the "choose a new server" routine. :)  Bringing up Tera does not help your discussion point at all, since for one it didn't have the numbers, and two it is a niche game.

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  Aeolron

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Everyones a mmo vet these days :P

8/25/12 9:17:27 AM#169
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 


Originally posted by atticusbc

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Method01 with this launch, the game will go f2p with 3 months....................................................... ooh wait..
And this nonsense is old, it's not helping and it's not funny.
you know what's not helping? any of this. any of the 5000 threads that have started up about the server problems. any of the flame wars raging on this site. none of this is helping. you could go stick bananas in your ears and do a jig and it would help as much. so yeah. get off your high horse, man.

 

oh also, it is kinda funny. yeah.


 

Dude, the joke is old. No, it's not funny anymore.

actualy ...it is LOL

  darker70

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Posts: 821

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8/25/12 9:17:51 AM#170

After 18 years of Mo's and  headstarts and failed first day launches i just don't bother that much anymore ,and as this is B2P don't give a monkeys really and only brought it for the Beta access though the in game band is nice to have.

Really sad thing shitbin OP threads like this will garner loads of  posts,I despair for people and there way of thinking at times 

  seridan

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Joined: 5/26/12
Posts: 1212

8/25/12 9:18:16 AM#171
Originally posted by Connmacart

Well they made some progress. Can log into GW1 again and the GW2 account page is back up.

They also tweeted they were still working on the problem a few min ago.

I can finally see my HOM (the webpage, not inside Guild Wars 2 :P)

Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums

  darkhalf357x

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Joined: 1/25/12
Posts: 1110

I'm only playing the role chosen for me. Who you supposed to be?

8/25/12 9:18:38 AM#172
Originally posted by Adiaris

Probably so far yep.

I'm a huge GW2 fan (just check my history), but this is not a smooth launch by any stretch of the immagination (and it is a launch, enough with this headstart BS, you paid up to 4 months early upfront for it).

Now, I had a great 5+ hours this am (I'm in Europe) where I had an ABSOLUTE blast. But even then you could tell it was very shaky, some examples: (bolds are directly experienced, others are from heavy reports in my guild etc)

- Up to 10minute lag in chat

- HoM totally borked up (apparently some peeps guested to US servers from Europe to get their items)

- Forums borked

- Account Mgmt completely screwed (random wierd login problems galore)

- DCs

- lag & skill lag

- bugs breaking DEs

- bugs on Skill point challenges making them uncompletable 

- SPVP not working

- WvW messed up (points etc.)

- And now ofc 2hrs of login server being down and I client not even able to update. 

The one thing that was amazing (for me, even then I'm sure mileage varied wildly) was performance. My FPS was great.

I feared this would happen as it seemed the stress tests got worse and worse, and I don't believe any company anymore when they say "oh but it'll be a totally different experience at launch", and some systems looked like they were implemented at the last second (mainly acct mgmt stuff). 

Do I even really care? Not really, the game is amazing. I spent 3hrs just running around Lion's Arch (100% completion, yeh!) and talking to NPCs and discovering hidden wonderful details. It's just that good. But please let's stop saying this is a successful launch because Arenanet... YOU WERE NOT PREPARED! ;)

Now let me in pls, I have a Mesmer to level!

 

I agree. But I'm being pedantic.  This is pre-launch.  Lets see how well they do on the 28th.

Doesn't excuse the network failure of today, but the way I honestly see it is proof to how popular the game is... and thats just with pre-order people.  Imagine how crazy the 28th will be.

ANet I hope you guys can pull it off.  Keep thrusters at maximum... and give it everything she's got ;-)

  kostoslav

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8/25/12 9:20:38 AM#173
Hm, we are unable to play gw1 too
  Lucioon

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8/25/12 9:20:42 AM#174
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

 


Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by GeezerGamer  

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by GeezerGamer  


    This is a question of accountability. And this community isn't going to make it better. By not holding ANET accountable, We are making it OK for the next company to come along and take a squat in our Corn Flakes and then try to charge us for the added content.
Case and point.
  The point is.....I'm not so much upset that the servers are down. It happens. I get it. What bothers me is they happily took money for this for months so that we could have this time because we gave them money and more or less put our faith in them. If they had made this stuff an added bonus. I'd be totally fine with this. But it's not. It was sold as a package deal.
Sure and I don't disagree with anyone who is not happy at the moment, hell I surely am not. But to expect the launch to be as smooth as a baby backside and start screeming accountability and all that because of a hiccup on opnening morning is where I take pause. You paid good money and are entitled to your feelings, I am just trying to point out that the mass hysteria seems a little misplaced all the while those that are foaming at the mouth to see the game fail are on cloud 9 and it's not really about the games delivery, more about the communities reaction. It's a very sad and gloomy around here.

 


Sure....And I agree with everything you said.
I'm not trying to form a lynch mob because I can't log into my game. As I said, I am patient about that. And also, I have all the faith in the world that ANET is not sitting around on a SAT morning popping donut holes and coffee laughing their ARSES off at the MMORPG posts. No, I can imagine the S^&T storm going on over there.

I am trying to make a point that we as the consumer have to stop defending companies where they do not deserve it. And people still need to realize every time some company fails to deliver what they charge money for, and get a free pass, that's a green light for the next guy to come along and repeat it.

I think we need to stop these HeadStart events that Companies gives to us. And also we need all the MMO companies to post that Disconnects and Server shut downs will be happening every hour until the Server is back up and will be taken down once again when problems occurs. We also need all the companies to write in BIG BOLD LETTERS that explains that every single launch will have an Service windown of 48 hours to ensure everyone gets to log in without issues. 

Then we also need them to Put up Video Blogs or Streams to show tell us in person that Pre-Purchases and Pre-Orders will not get any benefits for doing them, you get to start exactly at the same time as everyone else. 

Is this what everyone on these threads hoping for????

Because I don't !, I got Pre-purchase because I know I will like this game, I got in this morning and I still do like this game. I am happy that I get to register my character names, I am happy that I was able to finally experience GW2 on my own schedule without the need to rush during BWE. I am happy that Pre-purchasers gets to choose their home servers first before everyone else, that including the Pre-order people and before the official launch date. 

Will the removal of Pre-purchase bonuses really gonna satisfy you all that much?

Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4880

8/25/12 9:21:46 AM#175


Originally posted by Aeolron

Originally posted by GeezerGamer  

Originally posted by atticusbc

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Method01 with this launch, the game will go f2p with 3 months....................................................... ooh wait..
And this nonsense is old, it's not helping and it's not funny.
you know what's not helping? any of this. any of the 5000 threads that have started up about the server problems. any of the flame wars raging on this site. none of this is helping. you could go stick bananas in your ears and do a jig and it would help as much. so yeah. get off your high horse, man.   oh also, it is kinda funny. yeah.
  Dude, the joke is old. No, it's not funny anymore.
actualy ...it is LOL

Well then, it should be easy enough to cut n paste it into your Window's screen saver. Then you can set the timer for 1 minute and you can sit there and stare at your blank computer screen all day and laugh your arses off.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  MosesZD

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Joined: 2/10/12
Posts: 1407

8/25/12 9:21:51 AM#176
Originally posted by jaserion
Originally posted by IstrebiteI
Lol, at least you CAN get in, i guess you're american, we europeans cannot play for 2 hours straight already....

that's not true.  i'm an american in nyc.  couldn't log on in the past 2 hours that i tried. 

 

It depends on where the server is, not where you are.

 

Most of my American friends playing in America are playing.   My American friends (and myself) who play in Europe because it works better for our schedules are not playing.   Instead we're waiting to play.  And definitely not crying about it.   We're all kind of old and life has given us richer perspectives so a minor bump in the road isn't going to make a difference.  I mean, let's face it, we have had, collectively, bad romances, bad marriages, custody battles, had at least one bankruptcy, family deaths, pet deaths, business collapses, a few robberies, computers shorting-out and catching on fire, multiple job losses and the whole host of things that go wrong in adult life.   

 

In a guild that was active in GW1 for six years confirming that we're solid fans and gamers and have played MMOs (including GW1)  (at least on-and-off) for long periods of time...   And having weathered all that...

 

What's losing a day or two really going to mean?   We might not get 'the name.'    Crap, except SWTOR, I NEVER got  even one 'the name' and if I went back, I would lose all of those 'the names' I did get.

 

 

 

  grapevine

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Joined: 12/17/04
Posts: 1942

8/25/12 9:21:54 AM#177
Originally posted by kaiser3282
Originally posted by Aerowyn
Originally posted by TruthXHurts
Originally posted by Preacher26

I logged in @ 12:00am EST (3 hours prior to official head start) and the game was running very smooth. Played for 3 hours and logged off. I had no issues at all.

Woke up to get back in and it seems the witch hunt is on. How do people not understand how launches work by now?

Even your beloved WoW had a ton of downtime at launch.

People are annoying.

+1

+2 the funniest part is all the people who are so "happy" to see GW2 having server issues... like some feel they "won" something. If i had to guess I'd say gw2 has more pre-purchases than swtor with less than half the servers... computers aren't magical things that are inpenetrable. You can tests something 100 times over and over with no issues and still have issues on the 101st time.. just how computers are anyone who works in the computer buisness knows you need patience.

Agreed. Its kind of entertaining how so many people have absolutely no understanding whatsoever how anything in the tech  world works. They just know stuff works, or doesnt work, but have no idea how it works or how many thousands of tiny little things can bring even an internal network to its knees. Its much much worse for things that are open to the public. They think theres some magical "Fix Everything" button that can be pushed rather than millions/billions of lines of coding to sort through, multiple databases, hardware that can crap out at any time through no fault of their own, etc.

 

 

From experience delays in getting failures fixed has actually less to do with technology, but rather the general incompetence of IT support teams.   I’ve lost count of the number of delays against recovery, which have been down to some server "expert" insisting its a network and firewall issue.  Only for it to turn out they couldn't be bothered to reboot a server, or run diagnostics on applications.

Unless there’s corruption, recoveries aren’t generally that complicated.  Buck passing resulting in teams having to prove its not their area is what usually causes the most delay.

  StanlyStanko

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Joined: 10/28/11
Posts: 271

8/25/12 9:22:14 AM#178
Originally posted by ViSioN_BCN
Like all the game launches. Dont know why 2 years betatesting with free betatesters and thousand of them for what ? for that ?. Well is a new business dimension on how to thief  a customer wallet, no laws on internet and only their rules, impressive.

Ye shall NOT blaspheme against MMOJESUS!

Ye shall be smited by the angelic fanbois!

  Jjix

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Joined: 2/16/12
Posts: 135

8/25/12 9:23:09 AM#179
The launch is painful, but not just because of the lag or the login issues . . . it is also painful because you have to watch  the GW2 community, once so mature and insightful, flooded by trolls and whiners . . . that is the most painful part of any launch, especially this one.
  Kzak

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Joined: 12/13/05
Posts: 22

8/25/12 9:23:21 AM#180
Originally posted by Drafell

Technically this is headstart access - NOT launch day.

So you are saying it is going to get worse on the 28th?  Is this is a beta test for launch on the 28th?   

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