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  bubaluba

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OP  8/23/12 12:01:10 PM#61
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by Creslin321

That's right ladies and gentlemen, it's time again for the repeated GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!!!  The exciting game where we spin the wheel of dislike to see what oft-repeated critcism of GW2 is posted today on the forums!

Will it be no mounts?  Will it be no raiding?  Your guess is as good as mine, let's find out!

[SPINS WHEEL]

And the winner is....no open world PvP!  You heard it here first folks.  Come back again tomorrow for the next...

GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!

 

[mod edit]

Well some people can think that gw2  deserve that. So where is your point?

  Jonoku

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"Veni Vidi Vici"

8/23/12 12:01:26 PM#62
Every mmo nowadays the new ones especially have very little of OPvP or none at all. Welcome to the next generation of mmos where mmo companies have no idea what OPvP is.

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  L0C0Man

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8/23/12 12:01:34 PM#63
Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by ariboersma
no reason for it besides the weak or afk to be victems by the jerks out there.. it has zero civil purpose in a game like this.

But why not one full pvp server?

And how would it work without a massive rewrite of the game?.

According to the lore there are no factions, the closest you could get are Humans Vs Charr with the other races as neutral (Asura are completely neutral, Sylvari are too young and unwilling to take any sides, Norn mostly let the Charr pass trough their lands as long as they didn't bother them), and at the time of GW2 there's a truce in that war. So, without factions we'd end up with FFA PvP.

The core of the PvE experience is in the dynamic events, and the ability to participate in them without having to group. How could that work if you had to worry about AoEs and attacks from other players accidentally killing you, or your own attacking/killing other players? Not to mention some boss fights that are chaotic enough as they are without needing to look out for other players attacks as well.

Having one PvP server would mean a complete restructuring of the whole PvE version of the game, and the core phylosophy behind it.

What can men do against such reckless hate?

  Creslin321

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8/23/12 12:02:34 PM#64
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Originally posted by Kuinn

 

Oh where were you at SWTOR's launch?

 

...oh right, you were criticizing it day in day out in cloned threads!

 Well...this is different because he really likes this game.

>_>

<_<

 

 Take the humor for what it is lol.  If I had thought of this back when SWTOR was getting criticized with the same threads every day, then maybe I would have posted it back then.

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  Creslin321

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8/23/12 12:04:37 PM#65
Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by Creslin321

That's right ladies and gentlemen, it's time again for the repeated GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!!!  The exciting game where we spin the wheel of dislike to see what oft-repeated critcism of GW2 is posted today on the forums!

Will it be no mounts?  Will it be no raiding?  Your guess is as good as mine, let's find out!

[SPINS WHEEL]

And the winner is....no open world PvP!  You heard it here first folks.  Come back again tomorrow for the next...

GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!

 

[mod edit]

Time will tell my friend!  But honestly, I actually like open-world PvP, I just don't think it would work in GW2.  The game is designed for everyone to work together in huge AoE fest dynamic events.  Open world PvP would make that pretty much impossible.

So I mean, you can dislike the fact that GW2 doesn't have open-world PvP...but I don't think there is any way that it actually could at this point.  At some point, you have to try to appreciate the differences in games...not every one will be the same.

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  otacu

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Posts: 552

8/23/12 12:05:11 PM#66
Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by Daddydazzle

no i don't miss that option. i've come to think that open world PvP is simply for ganking at this point, when other games have givin us other options. i use to gank, i use to get ganked, but after a while it wasn't too much fun anymore. it was more of a way to let off some steam, but it was often on some random dude just trying to gather mats. most of the guys i know irl that are still active in open world pvp games do it just to gank. what's interesting is those same friends of mine were all picked on heavily at some point in their lives. either by parrents, school bullies, or current jobs. i'm not trying to say this is how it is for all those active in open pvp, but it's just what i've come to see after my time playing these games.

i really like the way GW2 handles WvWvW. there's more then enough room that it feels more then just open. there are PvE objectives, and castle conquest. this is just my 2c, but WvWvW > Open world PvP.

I think you miss something- After some time most of players have high level character and attacking low level is provoking revenge and most of the time that low level guy wil get some help from guild mates what can escalate in one big aweome pvp battle :)

Oh and why no skipping the ganking and griefing and just have THAT big awesome pvp battle?

Yeah.. like WvWvW?

 

:) Another point for WvWvW >>>> old owpvp

  Naqaj

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8/23/12 12:05:56 PM#67

/F_C_P_LM

 

Creslin, I'd like to buy an 'A'

  sammandar

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Posts: 531

8/23/12 12:07:41 PM#68
Originally posted by Naqaj

/F_C_P_LM

Creslin, I'd like to buy an 'A'

I'll buy an "E"

  Creslin321

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8/23/12 12:07:59 PM#69
Originally posted by otacu
Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by Daddydazzle

no i don't miss that option. i've come to think that open world PvP is simply for ganking at this point, when other games have givin us other options. i use to gank, i use to get ganked, but after a while it wasn't too much fun anymore. it was more of a way to let off some steam, but it was often on some random dude just trying to gather mats. most of the guys i know irl that are still active in open world pvp games do it just to gank. what's interesting is those same friends of mine were all picked on heavily at some point in their lives. either by parrents, school bullies, or current jobs. i'm not trying to say this is how it is for all those active in open pvp, but it's just what i've come to see after my time playing these games.

i really like the way GW2 handles WvWvW. there's more then enough room that it feels more then just open. there are PvE objectives, and castle conquest. this is just my 2c, but WvWvW > Open world PvP.

I think you miss something- After some time most of players have high level character and attacking low level is provoking revenge and most of the time that low level guy wil get some help from guild mates what can escalate in one big aweome pvp battle :)

Oh and why no skipping the ganking and griefing and just have THAT big awesome pvp battle?

Yeah.. like WvWvW?

 

:) Another point for WvWvW >>>> old owpvp

 Hehehe very true!  I think that a lot of folks have to realize is that traditional open world PvP just WILL NOT work in GW2.  It would make DE's absolutely impossible, and that is the mainstay of PvE in the game.

So WvW is reall GW2's "version" of open-world PvP.  In order for it to work at all, they had to put it in a separate area and make it team-based.  If you don't like it, that's fine...but you basically don't like it just because it's your preference, not because it's poorly implemented.  I think that is why I don't really get the no open-world PvP argument.

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  User Deleted
8/23/12 12:09:18 PM#70
Originally posted by otacu
Originally posted by ForumPvP

it is a problem,to me also.

now if  I see for example player TuRbO_KilLeR   - Goon Squad -  ,he is following someone ,doing dancemoves all the time,this someone says " go away TuRbO_KiLlEr ,he wont,he starts dancing faster and jumping around him.... now stop.

 

in any other game wheres PVP ,TuRbO would be about head shorter right now,but,in GW2 my hands are tied.

only way to attack this guy is change my name to something like his,dance around him and fight  back like he does,no way HC.

or change server? log in some instanced fight and hope he shows up ? and when he does he logs out.

point is my hands are tied.

Oh wow first world problems.

 

I think the game could very well survive with that kind of "problems" without introducing bigger and nastier problems (ganking and griefing).

If something is not broken don't repair it!

 

well like I mentioned WoW vanilla world pvp days,thats whats this thread is about World PvP.

in WoWs vanilla world PvP days ,if someone got ganked ,it started a war,now if someone gets ganked,noone will show up because they are doing instanced fighting,or left game because of that which killed World PvP.

 

  Creslin321

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8/23/12 12:09:54 PM#71
Originally posted by sammandar
Originally posted by Naqaj

/F_C_P_LM

Creslin, I'd like to buy an 'A'

I'll buy an "E"

Hmmm okay...

FECEsPALM

oh no that's not it...

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  coretex666

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8/23/12 12:10:38 PM#72
This thread is...unnecessary

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  GrayGhost79

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8/23/12 12:11:23 PM#73
Originally posted by bubaluba
It is really not a hate thread and i really purchased gw2. Yes i am wow,eve,swtor fan (well ok  maybe not so much swtor anymore). I think it is a big, big mistake to make a game without open world pvp. My adrenaline rush will be so low and i could have 'that pve server feeling. RVR is just another instance or huge bg and  i really would  like to be able to attack anyone like in aoc. Do you guys miss that option to?

Really? Yet another thread on this? lol. No, GW2 doesn't have open world PvP. That would be bad news if they didn't have a better system in place. GW2 will offer actual PvP. If GW2 did offer open world PvP you would be complaining about zones dropping your level down to the zones cap so you still couldn't gank like you want. 

I don't miss it in this game because it gives a better outlet for those that actually want to PvP. It's far more competetive. Which is pure win for those that actually want to PvP. The only thing that would be gained by open world PvP at this point would be the ability to attack those that you know aren't able to beat you which isn't PvP and again this would be hindered by the fact that you would still be on even footing due to the zones capping levels lol. 

  MindTrigger

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8/23/12 12:12:23 PM#74
Originally posted by Ezhae

Again, for the n-th time. oPvP wouldn't work in GW2 without completely re-doing the PvE. PvP servers wouldn't work. There are no factions, all attacks arc, there is plenty of AoE, you wouldn't be able to do a single event without being hit by everyone you are not grouped with constantly. 

WvWvW is there for that mass, openish PvP feel. 

 

And no. I do not miss it. World PvP did not work properly in any of the recent MMOs. It only works in EVE, some relaly old ones, and a few indie/niche sandboxy games that are built with open PvP in mind. It was terrible in WoW, it was terrible in AoC and it was completley messed up in WAR in the time I played the game (first 3 months).

Not really for or against the PvP question in this case, but how does sPVP and WvW fit into the lore exactly?

A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  latinkuro

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8/23/12 12:12:44 PM#75

Originally posted by ariboersma
no reason for it besides the weak or afk to be preyed on by the jerks out there.. it has zero civil purpose in a game like this.

Originally posted by sammandar

Originally posted by bubaluba
It is really not a hate thread and i really purchased gw2. Yes i am wow,eve,swtor fan (well ok  maybe not so much swtor anymore). I think it is a big, big mistake to make a game without open world pvp. My adrenaline rush will be so low and i could have 'that pve server feeling. RVR is just another instance or huge bg and  i really would  like to be able to attack anyone like in aoc. Do you guys miss that option to?

I'm a huge open world pvp player and I thought I would miss it in GW2. After playing in all the BWEs and in all the stress tests, I can say that I do not miss it. I'll be focusing on WVW and so far I think it's pretty good.

Originally posted by Wolvards
Run around WvW with a friend or two, and kill peeps as they come out of their borderkeeps. It's just like ganking but better, because it's a fair(er) fight.

Originally posted by gessekai332
yeah it sucks, now i cant grief you repeatedly at the res point :(

I couldn't say it better than these good peeps above, so I will only add this I personally don't want to see your idea of open world pvp ever implemented in GW2, look at all the games that have ope world pvp they all have dwindling dying servers because of gankers and griefers, not saying you are one (did I say that out loud) W v W solves all these issues, put up or shut up.

  Kuinn

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8/23/12 12:13:56 PM#76
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by Creslin321

That's right ladies and gentlemen, it's time again for the repeated GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!!!  The exciting game where we spin the wheel of dislike to see what oft-repeated critcism of GW2 is posted today on the forums!

Will it be no mounts?  Will it be no raiding?  Your guess is as good as mine, let's find out!

[SPINS WHEEL]

And the winner is....no open world PvP!  You heard it here first folks.  Come back again tomorrow for the next...

GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!

 

Oh where were you at SWTOR's launch?

 

...oh right, you were criticizing it day in day out in cloned threads!

 True!  But that game deserved it ;).  Also...I didn't create new threads with rehashed topics, I just posted in them.

Also...if someone defused a repeated SWTOR criticism thread with a humorous post like mine, then maybe that thread would have ended differently ;).

 

No need to explain your self, just a funny forum observation where a small hint of irony could be smelled by really careful sniffing.

  bubaluba

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OP  8/23/12 12:14:10 PM#77
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by bubaluba
It is really not a hate thread and i really purchased gw2. Yes i am wow,eve,swtor fan (well ok  maybe not so much swtor anymore). I think it is a big, big mistake to make a game without open world pvp. My adrenaline rush will be so low and i could have 'that pve server feeling. RVR is just another instance or huge bg and  i really would  like to be able to attack anyone like in aoc. Do you guys miss that option to?

Really? Yet another thread on this? lol. No, GW2 doesn't have open world PvP. That would be bad news if they didn't have a better system in place. GW2 will offer actual PvP. If GW2 did offer open world PvP you would be complaining about zones dropping your level down to the zones cap so you still couldn't gank like you want. 

I don't miss it in this game because it gives a better outlet for those that actually want to PvP. It's far more competetive. Which is pure win for those that actually want to PvP. The only thing that would be gained by open world PvP at this point would be the ability to attack those that you know aren't able to beat you which isn't PvP and again this would be hindered by the fact that you would still be on even footing due to the zones capping levels lol. 

Well that is not realistic. It is just another dungeon or instance. In real world you can attack anyone and kill anyone, why for heaven you can't do that in game where nobody can die for real. It is just so, so  much less adrenaline

  Creslin321

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8/23/12 12:14:32 PM#78
Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by otacu
Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by Daddydazzle

no i don't miss that option. i've come to think that open world PvP is simply for ganking at this point, when other games have givin us other options. i use to gank, i use to get ganked, but after a while it wasn't too much fun anymore. it was more of a way to let off some steam, but it was often on some random dude just trying to gather mats. most of the guys i know irl that are still active in open world pvp games do it just to gank. what's interesting is those same friends of mine were all picked on heavily at some point in their lives. either by parrents, school bullies, or current jobs. i'm not trying to say this is how it is for all those active in open pvp, but it's just what i've come to see after my time playing these games.

i really like the way GW2 handles WvWvW. there's more then enough room that it feels more then just open. there are PvE objectives, and castle conquest. this is just my 2c, but WvWvW > Open world PvP.

I think you miss something- After some time most of players have high level character and attacking low level is provoking revenge and most of the time that low level guy wil get some help from guild mates what can escalate in one big aweome pvp battle :)

Oh and why no skipping the ganking and griefing and just have THAT big awesome pvp battle?

Yeah.. like WvWvW?

 

:) Another point for WvWvW >>>> old owpvp

Well you have right in some points. Why some big world powers do not skip wars and make some  part of the world only for fighting. Imagine nice part of the land somwere on the south of the France where everyone can fight, like us vs talibans, russians vs chechens, me against you. Wau thats so realistic

 Soooo...okay ummm, yeah.  What does this have to do with anything?

GW2 is a game.  Reality is not.  In reality, war is hell.  In GW2, war is supposed to be fun.

Why would you try to absolutely emulate something that is horrible?  Can you imagine if GW2 emulated real war?  Where you spend months just walking and eating hard tack.  And then you finally spend 5 minutes fighting, only to get shot once by a rifle and perma-die?

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  Aelious

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World > Quest Progression

8/23/12 12:14:40 PM#79
It would be kind of funny to see a decked out level 80 go hit a starting area to "stomp some noobs" forgetting about the auto leveling system...
  bubaluba

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OP  8/23/12 12:16:04 PM#80
Originally posted by coretex666
This thread is...unnecessary

So don't read

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