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General Discussion  » I have one problem with gw2--No open world pvp!!!

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  bubaluba

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Joined: 7/23/12
Posts: 464

 
OP  8/23/12 10:46:25 AM#41
Originally posted by ForumPvP
Originally posted by ariboersma
Originally posted by ForumPvP

it is a problem,to me also.

now if  I see for example player TuRbO_KilLeR   - Goon Squad -  ,he is following someone ,doing dancemoves all the time,this someone says " go away TuRbO_KiLlEr ,he wont,he starts dancing faster and jumping around him.... now stop.

 

in any other game wheres PVP ,TuRbO would be about head shorter right now,but,in GW2 my hands are tied.

only way to attack this guy is change my name to something like his,dance around him and fight  back like he does,no way HC.

or change server? log in some instanced fight and hope he shows up ? and when he does he logs out.

point is my hands are tied.

who the eff does this? and if they do report them for harassment! Did you by chance play wow? thats the only community I can think of that would be that assinine.

Yes and thats the main reason i played it after World PvP vanilla days , they gave me a world where i was able to kill that kind of guys,all the time,if my aggrometer wasnt high enough because of general chat (dirge an** jokes),i went to their forums and maan i was ready to kill some more,with tight character control it was heaven.

+1

  korent1991

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Posts: 1405

8/23/12 10:48:18 AM#42
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by Falcomith
Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by Creslin321

That's right ladies and gentlemen, it's time again for the repeated GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!!!  The exciting game where we spin the wheel of dislike to see what oft-repeated critcism of GW2 is posted today on the forums!

Will it be no mounts?  Will it be no raiding?  Your guess is as good as mine, let's find out!

[SPINS WHEEL]

And the winner is....no open world PvP!  You heard it here first folks.  Come back again tomorrow for the next...

GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!

Wau! Somebody is offended :(. Sorry but most of the critic from mmorpg forums about swtor was because of bad open world pvp. So how is that now different???

I dont think anyone is offended really, I believe that the topic has come up over and over again on this site and most are just tired of seeing the same things posted. A little search in the GW2 forums on this site will bring up posts on this topic. You might find more information and opinions there rather than wasting time and effort posting something that has been butchered to death.

Indeed :)!  I was really just posting for the amusement of the regulars here that have read and argued in this thread 30 times already ;). 

what happens if we guess the criticism? I've seen so much blood on this forums, as did many... Don't we deserve a panda or something? :D

"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life."
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  User Deleted
8/23/12 10:49:24 AM#43

Maybe what you are really looking for is intelligent NPCs... you know, the ones that sneak around in stealth and try to kill low level players and never stop chasing them and often wait for you to ressurrect so that they can kill you again and again.

 

You don't need real players to do that, they could make NPCs deadly.  But then, getting ganked by a NPC all day long isn't anyone's idea of fun now is it?  You can't kill them, but they can kill you.  Oh the rush!

  jmcdermottuk

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Posts: 896

8/23/12 10:51:21 AM#44
Originally posted by Daddydazzle
Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by Daddydazzle

no i don't miss that option. i've come to think that open world PvP is simply for ganking at this point, when other games have givin us other options. i use to gank, i use to get ganked, but after a while it wasn't too much fun anymore. it was more of a way to let off some steam, but it was often on some random dude just trying to gather mats. most of the guys i know irl that are still active in open world pvp games do it just to gank. what's interesting is those same friends of mine were all picked on heavily at some point in their lives. either by parrents, school bullies, or current jobs. i'm not trying to say this is how it is for all those active in open pvp, but it's just what i've come to see after my time playing these games.

i really like the way GW2 handles WvWvW. there's more then enough room that it feels more then just open. there are PvE objectives, and castle conquest. this is just my 2c, but WvWvW > Open world PvP.

I think you miss something- After some time most of players have high level character and attacking low level is provoking revenge and most of the time that low level guy wil get some help from guild mates what can escalate in one big aweome pvp battle :)

no i'm with you there, but it's always a numbers game in open world pvp. if you have some massive guild, then stomping the lil guy and his few friends isn't a lot of fun. again why i really like the GW2 WvWvW system (at least while population sizes are solid). you have 1000v1000v1000. when it becomes larger zerg vs smaller zerg vs almost no one the third team, i think it may start to fall off a bit.

The 2 week turn around on servers will prevent this from becoming a problem. If a server only fields a few small guilds and individuals for WvWvW they'll keep losing until they meet opponents in the same situation, or of the same skill. It's safe to say the servers at the top of the ladder will be actively playing in WvW and organised. The opposite will be true for servers at the bottom end of the ladder.

  bubaluba

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Joined: 7/23/12
Posts: 464

 
OP  8/23/12 10:51:48 AM#45
It is just amazing how people like to forget that in most of games with open world pvp you have chance to play on pve server and there nobody can gank you
  xposeidon

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Joined: 3/26/12
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What is "real"? How do you define "real"?

8/23/12 10:52:16 AM#46
You want to know what a big mistake would be? Adding OWPvP in a cooperative environment, it would go against the essence of this game. I enjoy OWPvP but it wouldn't work here, fortunately the coop aspect makes up for that type of gameplay and since its B2P you may also enjoy another game with OWPvP.

Remember... all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.

  User Deleted
8/23/12 10:52:45 AM#47
Originally posted by The_Korrigan
Originally posted by ForumPvP

Yes and thats the main reason i played it after World PvP vanilla days , they gave me a world where i was able to kill that kind of guys,all the time,if my aggrometer wasnt high enough because of general chat (dirge an** jokes),i went to their forums and maan i was ready to kill some more,with tight character control it was heaven.

Exactly the kind of attitude I'm happy not to have in GW2. If you go as far as harassing people on their own guild forums because you've killed them in a video game, in my opinion you seriously need to grow up.

if i read their forums where people are rolling on the floor and laughing all the time and they see trolls everywhere,how im harrassing anyone,you think that i talk with them?? its my sword which talks sorry,seeriously you think that i start writing something that is my main reason to kill these folks? seriously,think a bit.

 

 

  sammandar

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Joined: 8/03/12
Posts: 531

8/23/12 10:52:53 AM#48
Originally posted by Sixpax
Originally posted by Creslin321

That's right ladies and gentlemen, it's time again for the repeated GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!!!  The exciting game where we spin the wheel of dislike to see what oft-repeated critcism of GW2 is posted today on the forums!

Will it be no mounts?  Will it be no raiding?  Your guess is as good as mine, let's find out!

[SPINS WHEEL]

And the winner is....no open world PvP!  You heard it here first folks.  Come back again tomorrow for the next...

GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!

Too bad there's no "Like" button on this site.

Spot on Cres... spot on.

Brilliant!

Vote YES if you want to see Creslin321 host the Wheel of Fortune! :-p

  otacu

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Joined: 4/08/12
Posts: 552

8/23/12 10:53:42 AM#49
Originally posted by bubaluba
It is really not a hate thread and i really purchased gw2. Yes i am wow,eve,swtor fan (well ok  maybe not so much swtor anymore). I think it is a big, big mistake to make a game without open world pvp. My adrenaline rush will be so low and i could have 'that pve server feeling. RVR is just another instance or huge bg and  i really would  like to be able to attack anyone like in aoc. Do you guys miss that option to?

Oh wow this is like thread #294724 :)

First of all WvWvW is not instanced... seriously guys at least learn what an instance is.

 

Secondly.... no. Gw2's take on WvWvW is imho vastly superior to the gankfest and griefingfest that a small minority of players seems to like.

Remember: you are a small minority. People do not enjoy ganking and being ganked.

For 1 happy ganker there are multiple unhappy ganked players.

And no: attacking and ganking low level characters is hardly funny imho. I'ts just lame.

Yeah i know "hey! i only attack players equal to my level because i like a good challenge and i'm a nice guy". Yeah right. We know that's a lie and maybe only 1% of the gankers are like that.

GW2 wvwvw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old owpvp

 

tl,dr If you think ganking and griefing is very important in a mmorpg don't buy Guild Wars 2. If you like massive owpvp in a separate world then buy GW2

 

 

 

Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by ariboersma
no reason for it besides the weak or afk to be victems by the jerks out there.. it has zero civil purpose in a game like this.

But why not one full pvp server?

Because it would be stupid lorewise and mechanical wise. And because it will separate the community. Not to mention frustrate people playing a game.
  VanadromArda

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8/23/12 10:53:47 AM#50
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  ariboersma

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8/23/12 10:54:15 AM#51
Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by ariboersma
Originally posted by ForumPvP
Originally posted by ariboersma
Originally posted by ForumPvP

it is a problem,to me also.

now if  I see for example player TuRbO_KilLeR   - Goon Squad -  ,he is following someone ,doing dancemoves all the time,this someone says " go away TuRbO_KiLlEr ,he wont,he starts dancing faster and jumping around him.... now stop.

 

in any other game wheres PVP ,TuRbO would be about head shorter right now,but,in GW2 my hands are tied.

only way to attack this guy is change my name to something like his,dance around him and fight  back like he does,no way HC.

or change server? log in some instanced fight and hope he shows up ? and when he does he logs out.

point is my hands are tied.

who the eff does this? and if they do report them for harassment! Did you by chance play wow? thats the only community I can think of that would be that assinine.

Yes and thats the main reason i played it after World PvP vanilla days , they gave me a world where i was able to kill that kind of guys,all the time,if my aggrometer wasnt high enough because of general chat (dirge an** jokes),i went to their forums and maan i was ready to kill some more,with tight character control it was heaven.

the problem is that wow breeds idiots like this as there is zero consequence. Blizzard has rules they do not enforce in fact they promote harassment, stalking ect by doing nothing to stop it even though they have clear rules against it. So please do not compare that steaming pile to GW2 =P Also their forums follow the same guidelines.. they allow for harassment with none to little consequence.

Oho! That is very rude and if i am sensible person i would report you :) Like most of the time people report me. WHo give you right to call wow players idiots? Game is made for fun and if people don't have fun in wow they would cancel subscription. You have chance to play on pve server if you are afraid of ganking

you need to check your eyes.. I said it breeds idiots I didnt say that all wow players were. I enjoyed wow for 6+ years but you cannot tell me with a straight face that the communtity doesnt decline daily in that game or you wouldnt have come up with the ridiculous scenario that you did. Also I didnt break any forum rules so exactly what would you report me for?

  bubaluba

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Joined: 7/23/12
Posts: 464

 
OP  8/23/12 10:55:20 AM#52
Originally posted by xposeidon
You want to know what a big mistake would be? Adding OWPvP in a cooperative environment, it would go against the essence of this game. I enjoy OWPvP but it wouldn't work here, fortunately the coop aspect makes up for that type of gameplay and since its B2P you may also enjoy another game with OWPvP.

Maybe you have right because game mechanic is not in favor of ow pvp

  ariboersma

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Joined: 9/26/11
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8/23/12 10:56:06 AM#53
Originally posted by otacu
Originally posted by bubaluba
It is really not a hate thread and i really purchased gw2. Yes i am wow,eve,swtor fan (well ok  maybe not so much swtor anymore). I think it is a big, big mistake to make a game without open world pvp. My adrenaline rush will be so low and i could have 'that pve server feeling. RVR is just another instance or huge bg and  i really would  like to be able to attack anyone like in aoc. Do you guys miss that option to?

Oh wow this is like thread #294724 :)

First of all WvWvW is not instanced... seriously guys at least learn what an instance is.

 

Secondly.... no. Gw2's take on WvWvW is imho vastly superior to the gankfest and griefingfest that a small minority of players seems to like.

Remember: you are a small minority. People do not enjoy ganking and being ganked.

For 1 happy ganker there are multiple unhappy ganked players.

And no: attacking and ganking low level characters is hardly funny imho. I'ts just lame.

Yeah i know "hey! i only attack players equal to my level because i like a good challenge and i'm a nice guy". Yeah right. We know that's a lie and maybe only 1% of the gankers are like that.

 

 

tl,dr If you think ganking and griefing is very important in a mmorpg don't buy Guild Wars 2. If you like massive owpvp in a separate world then buy GW2

this exactly

  MindTrigger

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8/23/12 10:56:33 AM#54

I'm not going to argue against the fact that ANet has decided not to have World PvP for the purposes of their own gameplay mechanics, but we need to get a couple things straight here for people who whine about world PvP.

First, there is NO reason why high level characters should have to be able to gank low levels in order for World PvP to work.  That is a *choice* that is made by some game companies. It wouldn't be hard to put rules in the game that counter and/or flat our protect people from the kind of ganking that makes you people scream for mama, while still allowing everyone else to play world PvP if they wanted.  The easiest way to do this is an opt-in PvP system with flagging rules.  Other games have done this successfully.  There could also be rules to limit the number of lower level characters that get killed by such a person.  My point is, ganking as it was known in games like WoW only existed because the devs made it that way.   World PvP isn't the problem, how it is implemented is.

Second, even though I have never, ever been a ganker myself, I actually like having to look over my shoulder and or run for my life while questing.  It adds a level of tension and emmersion that I really enjoy.  I understand it's not for everyone, but to claim that world PvP itself serves no purpose except to allow ganking, is a narrow-minded point of view.

One thing I loved about Star Wars Galaxies early on was that if you were training as a Jedi, it was very wise of you to train in secret, away from populated areas.  Pulling your saber would get you flagged for PvP, and likely land you on a Bounty Hunter mission.  I also loved in SWG that I could go on Active or Inactive Duty as far as world PvP went.  When active, I was open season like all the other actives.  When inactive, I couldn't be touched.  Finally, I really liked the feature that if you were inactive, and you attacted an opposing NPC base or character, you got your butt flagged for PvP on a timer.  

Think it through.  While Guild Wars 2 might not *need* World PvP, there is no software reason why it has to be an open gankfest in any game.

A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  Ezhae

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8/23/12 10:56:50 AM#55

Again, for the n-th time. oPvP wouldn't work in GW2 without completely re-doing the PvE. PvP servers wouldn't work. There are no factions, all attacks arc, there is plenty of AoE, you wouldn't be able to do a single event without being hit by everyone you are not grouped with constantly. 

WvWvW is there for that mass, openish PvP feel. 

 

And no. I do not miss it. World PvP did not work properly in any of the recent MMOs. It only works in EVE, some relaly old ones, and a few indie/niche sandboxy games that are built with open PvP in mind. It was terrible in WoW, it was terrible in AoC and it was completley messed up in WAR in the time I played the game (first 3 months).

  Creslin321

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8/23/12 10:57:03 AM#56
Originally posted by korent1991
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by Falcomith
Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by Creslin321

That's right ladies and gentlemen, it's time again for the repeated GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!!!  The exciting game where we spin the wheel of dislike to see what oft-repeated critcism of GW2 is posted today on the forums!

Will it be no mounts?  Will it be no raiding?  Your guess is as good as mine, let's find out!

[SPINS WHEEL]

And the winner is....no open world PvP!  You heard it here first folks.  Come back again tomorrow for the next...

GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!

Wau! Somebody is offended :(. Sorry but most of the critic from mmorpg forums about swtor was because of bad open world pvp. So how is that now different???

I dont think anyone is offended really, I believe that the topic has come up over and over again on this site and most are just tired of seeing the same things posted. A little search in the GW2 forums on this site will bring up posts on this topic. You might find more information and opinions there rather than wasting time and effort posting something that has been butchered to death.

Indeed :)!  I was really just posting for the amusement of the regulars here that have read and argued in this thread 30 times already ;). 

what happens if we guess the criticism? I've seen so much blood on this forums, as did many... Don't we deserve a panda or something? :D

 You get...

FABULOUS PRIZES of course :).

That prize being Creslin's golden seal of approval.  This completely unique seal comes in three varieties, wheat, white, and actual seal.

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  Aelious

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Joined: 9/27/11
Posts: 2481

World > Quest Progression

8/23/12 10:57:53 AM#57
Originally posted by bubaluba

/snip

Oho! That is very rude and if i am sensible person i would report you :) Like most of the time people report me. WHo give you right to call wow players idiots? Game is made for fun and if people don't have fun in wow they would cancel subscription. You have chance to play on pve server if you are afraid of ganking

 

Exactly and some people, the majority of people, don't like PvP.  I do but I understand that a lot don't so I have no problem with a game designed for OWPvP seperate from the other part of the game.

  Creslin321

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8/23/12 10:58:22 AM#58
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Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  Volkon

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Facts do not require fiction for balance.

8/23/12 10:59:01 AM#59
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by Falcomith
Originally posted by bubaluba
Originally posted by Creslin321

That's right ladies and gentlemen, it's time again for the repeated GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!!!  The exciting game where we spin the wheel of dislike to see what oft-repeated critcism of GW2 is posted today on the forums!

Will it be no mounts?  Will it be no raiding?  Your guess is as good as mine, let's find out!

[SPINS WHEEL]

And the winner is....no open world PvP!  You heard it here first folks.  Come back again tomorrow for the next...

GW2 CRITICISM OF THE DAY!

Wau! Somebody is offended :(. Sorry but most of the critic from mmorpg forums about swtor was because of bad open world pvp. So how is that now different???

I dont think anyone is offended really, I believe that the topic has come up over and over again on this site and most are just tired of seeing the same things posted. A little search in the GW2 forums on this site will bring up posts on this topic. You might find more information and opinions there rather than wasting time and effort posting something that has been butchered to death.

Indeed :)!  I was really just posting for the amusement of the regulars here that have read and argued in this thread 30 times already ;). 

Look on the bright side though Creslin.

 

You officially won the thread.

Oderint, dum metuant.

  otacu

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Posts: 552

8/23/12 11:00:11 AM#60
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I think the game could very well survive with that kind of "problems" without introducing bigger and nastier problems (ganking and griefing).

If something is not broken don't repair it!

 

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