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  Ridelynn

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11/01/12 3:14:59 PM#21

Ubisoft in particular has always been extremely paranoid about piracy. I tend to think anything that comes from them is propaganda meant to drive profit and retard piracy, rather than any actual reflection of the truth.

I mean, these are the guys that put in always-connected always-on DRM on single-player games because they are that afraid of piracy.

You would think they would stop pointing the finger at piracy, and start looking around the problem for a different solution from a different angle. F2P is one way to combat piracy (not my favorite though). Piracy isn't the problem, it's a symptom of a bigger problem. And when regular paying customers resort to a cracked copy of your product because it's more convenient, you've made that problem worse.

  ShakyMo

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11/01/12 3:17:05 PM#22
93-95% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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11/01/12 3:22:32 PM#23
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by kb4blu
Originally posted by Reizla

I'm not sure about numbers there in which is stated that only 5-7% of the gamers actually BUY the product and that the rest uses a pirated copy of the game.

I am sorry I just can't believe those numbers.  If that were true no company would be selling games.

 

Agreed, I smell some hyperbole being employed to drive home a point.

 

Well it is afterall Ubisoft.  Don't get me wrong, i love alot of their games but dam they have been beating this piracy drum for a long time now. 

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11/01/12 3:27:53 PM#24
Originally posted by Quizzical
I think the piracy numbers tend to be inflated as a large fraction of the people who pirate a given game (or song or whatever) wouldn't have bought it if they couldn't have pirated it.

This is not 100% true. Quite a lot of people who pirate games might buy the game if they had no other choice. It really depends on your disposable income and how expensive games are in your country. But yeah 95-97% seems ridiculous.

Piracy has always plagued PC gaming. This is the main reason we are not seeing any AAA PC exclusives. When was the last time you saw a major game release for the PC which was not released on the Xbox360/PS3? The only company that I can think of that is still loyal to the PC platform is BLIZZZZZZZZZZZZARD! And no, MMOs don't count. They don't even deserve to be BBB let alone AAA release.

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  User Deleted
11/01/12 3:30:59 PM#25

92-93% piracy rate for games in general, is complete crap.

 

It might be accurate for Ubisoft games though.  They have a fairly long history of using some of the most draconic DRM measures ever, many of which crippled or made games unplayable until they got around to patching them.  It's basically a self-fulling proficy.

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11/01/12 3:32:58 PM#26
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11/01/12 3:36:13 PM#27
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Quizzical
I think the piracy numbers tend to be inflated as a large fraction of the people who pirate a given game (or song or whatever) wouldn't have bought it if they couldn't have pirated it.

This is not 100% true. Quite a lot of people who pirate games might buy the game if they had no other choice. It really depends on your disposable income and how expensive games are in your country. But yeah 95-97% seems ridiculous.

Piracy has always plagued PC gaming. This is the main reason we are not seeing any AAA PC exclusives. When was the last time you saw a major game release for the PC which was not released on the Xbox360/PS3? The only company that I can think of that is still loyal to the PC platform is BLIZZZZZZZZZZZZARD! And no, MMOs don't count. They don't even deserve to be BBB let alone AAA release.

Whaaat ?  its not about being loyal, its about reaching a broader audience. 

 

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  Drakynn

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11/01/12 3:43:09 PM#28
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Quizzical
I think the piracy numbers tend to be inflated as a large fraction of the people who pirate a given game (or song or whatever) wouldn't have bought it if they couldn't have pirated it.

This is not 100% true. Quite a lot of people who pirate games might buy the game if they had no other choice. It really depends on your disposable income and how expensive games are in your country. But yeah 95-97% seems ridiculous.

Piracy has always plagued PC gaming. This is the main reason we are not seeing any AAA PC exclusives. When was the last time you saw a major game release for the PC which was not released on the Xbox360/PS3? The only company that I can think of that is still loyal to the PC platform is BLIZZZZZZZZZZZZARD! And no, MMOs don't count. They don't even deserve to be BBB let alone AAA release.

I think both of you are pulling numbers from the same palce as Yves Guillmot.

There  is a percentage of pirates who would not buy the game they stole regardless,there's a percentage that will buy thwe game if they decide they liked it  enough after playing the stolen software  and yes there's a percentage that would of bought it if they had no other choice.How big each percentage is no one can know and I doubt there wille ver be a cencus to find out.

However the figure quoted in the arcticle is pretty ludicrous.

  User Deleted
11/01/12 3:47:36 PM#29

so basically you are saying piracy in F2P games ( which doesn't exist in F2P games), is justification for any company selling DLC's or restricting content until players pay for that content or subscribe to the game. (subscription because basically that's what the Freemium model of SWTOR will be doing and you mentioned that in your post).

It's never a good idea to cut off content, ui, or lore from the players. One of the biggest problems with WoW has been cutting off lore it got so bad that they had to at the end of every expansion series, allow players to get all kinds of free easily obtainable raid gear so they could see the lore hidden inside the tier 1 raids. I know I was there for two sets of this happening. (Arguably the only thing Ghostcrawler has done RIGHT in this game.)

It's not a good idea because 1 it's greedy. 2 the number of people pirating games can easily be offset by a properly secured account system now, and 3 if anyone has a problem with F2P or B2P shops really need to re-evaluate just how much they are really nickling and diming people to death with this DLC thing. it's not right.

  Toxia

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11/01/12 3:50:28 PM#30

I think the biggest question is- Exactly how the hell do they know how many people pirate something?

It's not like they pirate it off THEIR servers or anything.

So what...they go to torrents and count the people? Doubtfull.

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  Ridelynn

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11/01/12 3:56:19 PM#31


Originally posted by fivoroth

Piracy has always plagued PC gaming. This is the main reason we are not seeing any AAA PC exclusives. When was the last time you saw a major game release for the PC which was not released on the Xbox360/PS3? The only company that I can think of that is still loyal to the PC platform is BLIZZZZZZZZZZZZARD! And no, MMOs don't count. They don't even deserve to be BBB let alone AAA release.


I don't buy this argument. Major Developers have similar complaints on consoles: Gray market/resells hurt our margins, people pirate via rips and console hacks, can't sell digitally because the console manufacturer takes too steep of a cut, patches take too long and cost too much to have certified.

I don't doubt that piracy is one large reason that consoles have hamstrung the PC gaming industry, but I don't think it's the sole reason, and probably not even the largest reason. There are many things that make Console development a lot more attractive than PC development, and it starts with unified, consistent hardware and API support. After all, a 360 is still a 360 regardless of if it was sold today or 2005. A PC, however, can have any number of innumerable combinations of hardware - DirectX goes a long way to helping with that, but it's a lot different than having a stable and consistant hardware platform to deal with.

  Kuinn

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11/01/12 4:10:15 PM#32
Originally posted by Reizla

Article here: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-08-22-guillemot-as-many-pc-players-pay-for-f2p-as-boxed-product

I'm not sure about numbers there in which is stated that only 5-7% of the gamers actually BUY the product and that the rest uses a pirated copy of the game. I'm also not sure if F2P for games in general will be good for the industry. When looking at the F2P MMORPG market and see how much crap comes from publishers like Aeria Games and gPotato.

This is also in line with the I saw an article about it from BioWare last week here, stating that players want DLC form day #1. IF games in general go F2P, then publishers do need to get their income from other resources, and DLC is the perfect way for that.

 

I dont trust those numbers, seems just crazy since I dont know many people (anymore) who pirates games.

 

That leads to another point, it seems like the average age of gamers go up all the time, and older people who go to work usually buys games rather than pirate them like kids who are low on cash. Simple observations I've done since my teens which was more than ten years ago, I dont know many people these days who actively pirate games, back then, they were left and right.

  fivoroth

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11/02/12 4:50:01 AM#33
Originally posted by Drakynn
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Quizzical
I think the piracy numbers tend to be inflated as a large fraction of the people who pirate a given game (or song or whatever) wouldn't have bought it if they couldn't have pirated it.

This is not 100% true. Quite a lot of people who pirate games might buy the game if they had no other choice. It really depends on your disposable income and how expensive games are in your country. But yeah 95-97% seems ridiculous.

Piracy has always plagued PC gaming. This is the main reason we are not seeing any AAA PC exclusives. When was the last time you saw a major game release for the PC which was not released on the Xbox360/PS3? The only company that I can think of that is still loyal to the PC platform is BLIZZZZZZZZZZZZARD! And no, MMOs don't count. They don't even deserve to be BBB let alone AAA release.

I think both of you are pulling numbers from the same palce as Yves Guillmot.

There  is a percentage of pirates who would not buy the game they stole regardless,there's a percentage that will buy thwe game if they decide they liked it  enough after playing the stolen software  and yes there's a percentage that would of bought it if they had no other choice.How big each percentage is no one can know and I doubt there wille ver be a cencus to find out.

However the figure quoted in the arcticle is pretty ludicrous.

I am not pulling any numbers out of the blue. I don't have any numbers in my post. I have no idea what the numbers for each of these categories are because I haven't see any data and I am not very interested in this.. But yeah that figure in the article to me it seems ridiculous. I don't have any numbers to back up my claim it's just my perception of the situation.

 

Originally posted by Ridelynn

 


Originally posted by fivoroth

 

Piracy has always plagued PC gaming. This is the main reason we are not seeing any AAA PC exclusives. When was the last time you saw a major game release for the PC which was not released on the Xbox360/PS3? The only company that I can think of that is still loyal to the PC platform is BLIZZZZZZZZZZZZARD! And no, MMOs don't count. They don't even deserve to be BBB let alone AAA release.


 

I don't buy this argument. Major Developers have similar complaints on consoles: Gray market/resells hurt our margins, people pirate via rips and console hacks, can't sell digitally because the console manufacturer takes too steep of a cut, patches take too long and cost too much to have certified.

I don't doubt that piracy is one large reason that consoles have hamstrung the PC gaming industry, but I don't think it's the sole reason, and probably not even the largest reason. There are many things that make Console development a lot more attractive than PC development, and it starts with unified, consistent hardware and API support. After all, a 360 is still a 360 regardless of if it was sold today or 2005. A PC, however, can have any number of innumerable combinations of hardware - DirectX goes a long way to helping with that, but it's a lot different than having a stable and consistant hardware platform to deal with.

That's true. Piracy is not the only reason. I think it's the main one but certainly not the only one.

 

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  IfrianMMO

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11/02/12 4:53:44 AM#34

Call me a terrorist but i always download my games to give them a test run, and then , depending on how much i enjoy the first hours, i buy the game or not.

I.E: It was about 10 years since i last played a soccer game, so i downloaded fifa 2013, i liked it, and the next day i bought the actual game so i can play online and partecipate with the community.

As many state, if they allowed me to play a demo or a slightly limited amount of the game i would not have to do this.

P.S: I know Fifa 2013 had a demo but it was very limited and i couldn´t appreciate the game that way.

I need to be able to do a bit of everything, even if in a very basic fashion, to see the potential a game has.

 

 

 

 

  Nhoj1983

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11/02/12 4:56:50 AM#35
Sad thing is that even companies that don't drm(see witcher 2) get 2-3 times their sales pirated.  People can be jerks... That's just reality I guess.  If it can be done.. people will.
  fivoroth

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11/02/12 4:58:42 AM#36
Originally posted by IfrianMMO

Call me a terrorist but i always download my games to give them a test run, and then , depending on how much i enjoy the first hours, i buy the game or not.

I.E: It was about 10 years since i last played a soccer game, so i downloaded fifa 2013, i liked it, and the next day i bought the actual game so i can play online and partecipate with the community.

As many state, if they allowed me to play a demo or a limited amount of the game i would not have to do this.

 

 

I completely agree. I always need to try the game before I play it unless I have some previous experience with the game series. But I usually I will not torrent a game if there's no demo. I will just wait till someone I know recommends it, I will probably read on it, watch gameplay movies or wait till it's on sale or the price is reduced. That's what I like about my Xbox. They always give you demos to try the games before you buy them. It is very integrated and you easily can see what the new games are and play their demos. Sometimes you get said demos even before the game is released (1-2 weeks before!)!

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11/02/12 5:05:52 AM#37

It's funny to see a company go after the people who wouldn't have bought their products one way or the other, instead of making life easier for their actual customers.

 

As for the PC vs console piracy, once upon a time when consoles were at their early stage of acceptance, the piracy was low. Nowadays though, the situation is reversed, if for no other reason but for the sheer numeric sales difference between the two media.

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11/02/12 5:25:54 AM#38

At the end of the day if a company makes a really good game people will buy it... if they make average or shitty games then people will probally pirate it or just not play it at all..

 

You will always have a certain % of piracy but i really dont think there is anything they can do about it and i really dont think its as high as 95% LOL cant really remember the last time i downloaded a dodgy copy of a game..

 

Steam deal tend to be too good for me to even need to think about doing that..

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11/02/12 5:36:50 AM#39

What everyone is forgetting is UBISOFT is a multi platform company.

Gamestop selling used games is a form of piracy. None of the money gamestop makes on those used games goes back to any company besides gamestop.

I think every game should have DRM.. and force people to pay for games.

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11/02/12 5:38:11 AM#40
Originally posted by fs23otm

What everyone is forgetting is UBISOFT is a multi platform company.

Gamestop selling used games is a form of piracy. None of the money gamestop makes on those used games goes back to any company besides gamestop.

 

that is not piracy UBI have already made money from sellnig that game..

 

Thats like saying game or movie rental is piracy.

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