It's comical how stupid EA/BW thinks its players are.

Day 1 DLC is basically just like this:

Before Day 1 DLC:  You can buy 12 donuts for $6.00

After Day 1 DLC:  You can buy 10 donuts for $6.00 and  two SPECIAL BONUS OMFG-AWESOME donuts for $1.00.  SCORE!

This kind of sounds like a con...which is basically what day 1 DLC is.  It's just a way for them to raise the price of the donuts to $7.00 without actually being honest about it.

Originally posted by mmoguy43
Ya know... it kind of is. Never thought of it that way.

 Collector's editions generally don't contain lengthy gameplay segments as bonuses like DLC does.  They also typically contian some kind of physical goodies like tin boxes, figures, cloth maps, etc...

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by mmoguy43
Ya know... it kind of is. Never thought of it that way.

 Collector's editions generally don't contain lengthy gameplay segments as bonuses like DLC does.  They also typically contian some kind of physical goodies like tin boxes, figures, cloth maps, etc...

Lengthy or not it is still is DLC. And if they generally do or don't does that matter either? If the CE contains what you can get as a DLC then it is basically buying day 1 DLC with it.

I might be mistaken but wasnt the day1 DLC FREE for DA:O? I'm almost positive it was. If it was then him useing that as a point of his argument is completely retarted. If you are giving me something for free why wouldnt I get it day1? In paticular DLC thats able to be gotten/used on day1? Just a stupid, stupid argument.

How about they make thier games longer than a few hours so people CANT finish it in a day. ME3 was a prime example. The amount of people who finished it in a couple days compared to the amount of people who bought it had to be extreemly small. If you tell me 2% of the people who purchased your game is a good excuse to bend your customers over you are a piss poor company. Which Bioware has quickly become. I still havent purchased ME3 and while it makes me sad I simply wont untill I can pick it up for at least 50% off. They didnt launch a complete game so I refuse to pay full price for it. Simple as that. Unfortunatly its only a small portion of consumers willing to/capable of standing up for themselves like that.

Originally posted by Creslin321

 Collector's editions generally don't contain lengthy gameplay segments as bonuses like DLC does.  They also typically contian some kind of physical goodies like tin boxes, figures, cloth maps, etc...

Please comprare the digital download Mists of Pandoria "Standard Edition" and "Digital Deluxe Edition" and explain to me what the goodies are?

Day 1 DLC is simply increasing the price of the software by the back door; it's like a stealth tax on gamers.  I have nothing against paid for DLC as long as it is extra content produced AFTER the game has gone gold and made it's merry way to the store shelves, but to require people to pay for content that is ready to go or even worse already on the disc awaiting an unlock code is in my opinion criminal.

Probably the worst example of this was in Bioware's ME3 with the Prothean DLC which was not only extra content but content that was pretty important to the overall story.

Originally posted by Chiram

So I think the pure genius behind this is... people who, you know.. contribute to society? will be able to buy the content after they have enjoyed the content ( AS IT WAS MEANT TO BE DESIGNED) and those who play hardcore, live off of mom's hot pockets can go scrounge the couch for the DLC funds or perhaps be forced to live life outside of the computer room :). Plus I speak from experience, I used to be one of those losers who though raiding and playing 24/7 was a life. So in short, DLC doesn't bother me. A few dollars isn't anything.

 

 

Fun fact: Kids are the ones that can't apreciate value for money. If you earned your money you wouldn't be defending this pure act of greed. So please, stop embarassing yourself and go ask your mommy for more $ to line the pockets of the shareholders.

Originally posted by vgamer

Originally posted by Chiram

So I think the pure genius behind this is... people who, you know.. contribute to society? will be able to buy the content after they have enjoyed the content ( AS IT WAS MEANT TO BE DESIGNED) and those who play hardcore, live off of mom's hot pockets can go scrounge the couch for the DLC funds or perhaps be forced to live life outside of the computer room :). Plus I speak from experience, I used to be one of those losers who though raiding and playing 24/7 was a life. So in short, DLC doesn't bother me. A few dollars isn't anything.

 

 

Fun fact: Kids are the ones that can't apreciate value for money. If you earned your money you wouldn't be defending this pure act of greed. So please, stop embarassing yourself and go ask your mommy for more $ to line the pockets of the shareholders.

I'm simply saying if the content already is pretty vast from the start and it's (your choice) to rush through content faster than the designed norm you should have to shell out a little extra cash before the rest. Everyone understands money and the value of it to varying degrees. However, there are those who don't know the value of "hard work" and "important play". These are typically the people who complain they have to buy DLC content because they rushed through everything in a weeks time.

Originally posted by Creslin321

It's comical how stupid EA/BW thinks its players are.

Day 1 DLC is basically just like this:

Before Day 1 DLC:  You can buy 12 donuts for $6.00

After Day 1 DLC:  You can buy 10 donuts for $6.00 and  two SPECIAL BONUS OMFG-AWESOME donuts for $1.00.  SCORE!

This kind of sounds like a con...which is basically what day 1 DLC is.  It's just a way for them to raise the price of the donuts to $7.00 without actually being honest about it.

I wouldn't say EA thinks players are 'stupid' but Day 1 DLC sells really well so why wouldn't they keep on doing it?

Yes, I am one of those that buys all of them. 

Why? Cause I like their games.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by Creslin321

It's comical how stupid EA/BW thinks its players are.

Day 1 DLC is basically just like this:

Before Day 1 DLC:  You can buy 12 donuts for $6.00

After Day 1 DLC:  You can buy 10 donuts for $6.00 and  two SPECIAL BONUS OMFG-AWESOME donuts for $1.00.  SCORE!

This kind of sounds like a con...which is basically what day 1 DLC is.  It's just a way for them to raise the price of the donuts to $7.00 without actually being honest about it.

I wouldn't say EA thinks players are 'stupid' but Day 1 DLC sells really well so why wouldn't they keep on doing it?

Yes, I am one of those that buys all of them. 

Why? Cause I like their games.

 

To answer your question.  They continue to do it because of people like you who by your own admission buy it all.  If nobody bought it then the companies would stop doing it and instead would be forced to find other ways to persuade us to part with our money; better quality games perhaps?

Originally posted by biggarfoot

I bought Dragon Age on release, and in all honesty i was very angry when I opened the box and installed the game to find downloadable content, I felt ripped off, and that they purposely omitted game content expecting me to double dip into my wallet.

If their argument is that players are getting through content to quickly and they need more, then they obviously are not making a game with enough content and deliberately ommiting such content in the first place.

EA/Bioware are the worst offenders of nickel and diming customers, They have screwed customers once to many times in my book and deserve a total backlash from the gaming community.

Since when has Developers ever listened to the players? for exception of a few, but definately not EA or Bioware.

i feel ya m8, i had the same feeling with Dirt 3....healf of the cars i this (race) game has to be bought.....shame on them to exclude cars from there own game and make you pay EXTRA for just a fiew cars.

Originally posted by Xerith
Or, you know, you could add that content directly to the game for free and players would have more to do for free.... The amount of BS from developers coming out of Gamescom this year is astounding. 

yep agree. IF they were really worried about how their game is percieved or received by the players at this point, they would not use the failed system of cutting off content in a F2P environment, all that reflects is the greed of the suits. greed is never attractive.