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  SysFail

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8/17/12 1:22:29 PM#41
I'm just glad it has mouse/keyboard support, as i find playing with a controller is just nasty for an FPS game.
  DKKOberon

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8/17/12 1:26:28 PM#42

As long as it is PS3 only, DUST is doomed. It will fail, it will epic fail and CCP may not survive the hate.

 

  Nephaerius

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8/17/12 1:27:48 PM#43
Originally posted by Vegetto

It surely must be a Sony cash incentive as to why they decided to produce a game that complimented EvE on a PS3, especially as Xbox is more popular and presumably there would be a little bit more of a cross-over there.

I can't see any reason for it other than to get a foothold in the console market. But even then, do they have any idea about that market? Do they honestly think this is what console gamers will go for?

But let's face it, they are hoping that long-term EvE vets will get the game to multibox EvE and DUST, some perhaps even buying a PS3 for it. Co-operative play of any kind will never work between PC and console players, they literally hate each other lol.

 Members of a console clan I am affiliated with (except for me these guys have no PC experience and substandard gaming rigs) already found their way into Eve Online, met with a variety of corps, and formed allegiences with those they are planning to work with in Dust.  It was simple and happened quickly.  The same group of folks also started playing Eve Online and getting more into PC gaming as a result.  It's a win for everybody.

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  Wickedjelly

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8/17/12 1:40:20 PM#44
Originally posted by Blackrayn
Originally posted by Wickedjelly
Yeah, good luck with that. Awful marketing campaign only surpassed by their bizarre choice of going solely with PS3. This game is going to fail pretty hard which is a shame. Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Great idea and always thought it was cool how CCP pulled off Eve. However, this is going to be quite the blunder for them.

 I disagree! There are millions more FPS players out there then there are players playing EVE! Many of you have said this is failed concept! I honestly think it's brilliant! And basically cause of what I just said, millions more playing FPS, then there are playing EVE! It don't matter one bit to the EVE players! There still going to play EVE regardless!  The only thing that is needed here is for CCP to make a damn good FPS game and it will sell! Tying the EVE players to the FPS players will be the difficulty, but like I said make a good FPS and it's golden.

 Many do play FPS on computer, but look at consoles. FPS is the main market! Where as MMO type games rule the majority of PC playerbase! If they can actually get these two platforms to blend and work together it's a milestone! Could open up many more oppurtunities in the future! Many of us here don't really care about the console games anyway. CCP is simply jumping into a market that makes money! FPS console! If they can get millions playing DUST and can make this blend with the players of EVE, kudos to them!

 No way dude. The amount of competition they are going to be up against is staggering in the fps department.  Even if it was on the pc this game would struggle. As it is? Not going to bode well at all in my opinion.

We'll find out soon enough though.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Wicoa

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8/17/12 1:50:03 PM#45
This site is a bastion of pc rpg mmo gaming what is this ps3 fps doing here, its not even cross platform? Put it on a console review site please.
 
 
  Muerte_X

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8/17/12 2:02:07 PM#46
Originally posted by Wicoa
This site is a bastion of pc rpg mmo gaming what is this ps3 fps doing here, its not even cross platform? Put it on a console review site please.
 
 

Actually this is an MMO site, which should cover all things MMO. Since Dust is part of the Eve MMO universe, I beleive it is an applicable topic, and I appreciate that the site covers it.

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  swarmdie

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8/17/12 2:12:38 PM#47

I appreciate the effort of getting news about Dust 514 but... plz not here unless its to tell us its gonna be available on pc.

  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

8/17/12 2:26:37 PM#48

Ok well CCP was in my books as maybe the lowest denominator of developers but there is always hope to move forward.

So looking into DUST they have licensed the Unreal3 engine,That  alone speaks volumes above Eve.However tying the game into Eve's horrible structure and RMT base is just going to bring DUST down 10 fold.

Here is the presentation video i watched. DUST keynote the guy they had present it couldn't be anymore boring,so you can skip past him to the scripted video then actual game play.

The thing to NOTE in the video is the awful graphical presentation that really makes me quit games.You will notice how the entire map/content is all the same blueish hue,There is no separated color,EVERYTHING is delivered low quality.The oputdoor map is not bad ,but again mostly the same couple repeated textures.

Merc quarters,same thing again ,no real lighting just one blueish/black hue on everything.

Maybe the worst thing of all is the game will use the same lame spreadsheet stat design as Eve..The Passive will be like Eve ,the active will be points spent but still operate like Eve.

He trires to mention that the new monitary idea will have no pay to win,yet the game still uses the worst RMT monetary system ever in gaming history >>>ISK.

I do not see any mention of dodging.I notice the guy went into a menu mode a few times,that won't do well in a fast paced fps atmosphere.

The actual game play doesn't look too bad,the guy in the video doesn't even know the game ,which is sad.He mentions, you can switch into 3rd person "I am told". /sigh.

Of course there might be variable maps,but this one was VERY linear,you follow a linear path which is not good for MMO style action.They are showing the PVE portion,which seems very boring.I think stick to the pvp game play for fun.

My closing statement is that watching this game,something struck me as being similar.This game delivery looks a LOT like that game that went defunct >>Tabala Rasa.Some might even argue Tabula Rasa looks better,more exciting.

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  SandaStunna

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8/17/12 3:04:20 PM#49
dust overall is a terrible fps game. even if they made it for pc.
  DashiDMV

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8/17/12 3:18:56 PM#50
Personally I don't have anything against Dust but everytime I see it, it reminds me of how much resources and manpower were stripped from WoD, and for what? Hopefully that bag of money Sony gave them was worth it in the end.
  ellobo29

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8/17/12 3:20:50 PM#51
dust 514? no thanks.... i will just stick to planetside 2

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  Reboot78

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8/17/12 3:27:39 PM#52

I really don't understand why everyone says this is not an MMO just because it is a FPS. Many MMOs have instanced PvP arenas. The MMO aspect that it has a persistent world, with resource gathering, crafting, trading and control over the map seems to be ignored, just because it doesn't have a world map in that you can run around between arenas, it is a f*cking game in space, what do you expect?

Also people seem to ignore that CCP doesn't try to make EvE players play Dust, they try to make FPS players play Dust by adding more complex elements, persistent characters, persistent world, character development, free expansions instead of other games that release a new version every year (that you have to buy) and only have some achievements and leaderboards. In Dust battles you win or lose really matter, they are not just a score that is recorded somewhere and then forgotten.

  Rydran

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8/17/12 3:30:34 PM#53
Lame. Ps3 Exclusive. Why would they link a Ps3 exclusive to a PC game. Makes no sence,

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  Kiljaedenas

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8/17/12 3:40:47 PM#54
Originally posted by Demogorgon

Pc or not, it'll fail imo.

Why?

Because their player base is abysmal (lots and lots of multiple accounts in EVE).

You can't multi box an FPS, and not every EVE player likes FPS games on top of that anyways.

Add to that that most people aren't interested in EVE at all... fact.

I forget where the reference was, but the average amount of accounts per Eve player was 1.7. Most people I play with have one, I myself have one and never plan to get another one...The player base is not "abysmal", it's the largest of any current sandbox MMO and quite a few older themepark MMOs as well (don't bother mentioning WoW, that's a one-off fluke).

Multi-box an FPS? Why would you bother?

And just because people aren't interested in Eve doesn't mean they won't be interested in Dust.

Where's the any key?

  Kiljaedenas

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8/17/12 3:42:29 PM#55
Originally posted by DKKOberon

As long as it is PS3 only, DUST is doomed. It will fail, it will epic fail and CCP may not survive the hate.

 

 

Saying a statement like that without describing WHY just makes you sound like a mindless hater and no one will pay attention to you...

Where's the any key?

  Kiljaedenas

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8/17/12 3:50:26 PM#56
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by mCalvert

Why do you keep annoying us with this console news?

 

Agreed, it is no MMO either.

Should be posted on FPSGuru but here.

 

Not an MMO? Really? Let's see...

-long term character development through skills, equipment, etc

-multiple players online at the same time, an individual arena may be something like 20 vs 20 or whatever but there could be hundreds of those going at the same time by:

-Linking directly to, and affects, the largest sandbox MMO world currently in existence through  combat, territory control and economy

-Large scale politics and metagame a definite possibility (and from what I can tell, ALREADY HAPPENING)

So how exactly is this not an MMO? From what I know this kind of integration between a standard FPS and a "traditional" MMO has never been done before. It is brand spanking new, so you're going to have to loosen up your mindset a bit. With its link to Eve Online I really don't see how you can deny that it is also an MMO.

Where's the any key?

  palulalula

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8/17/12 5:06:31 PM#57
Originally posted by Wicoa
This site is a bastion of pc rpg mmo gaming what is this ps3 fps doing here, its not even cross platform? Put it on a console review site please.
 
 

Well it is hard to understand but i try to explain to you--EVE online is mmorpg game with huge, huge spaceships and dust will be conected with EVE online. So it is part of one mmorpg

  palulalula

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8/17/12 5:17:58 PM#58
Very nice and brave. I hope only that DUST will be worthy partner to one of best and most popular sandbox mmo. I will buy ps3 only because of that game. It is new age of gaming and i hope soon we will have little box for everything because classic PC is getting old
  Wickedjelly

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8/17/12 5:54:49 PM#59
Originally posted by Kiljaedenas
 

Not an MMO? Really? Let's see...

-long term character development through skills, equipment, etc

-multiple players online at the same time, an individual arena may be something like 20 vs 20 or whatever but there could be hundreds of those going at the same time by:

-Linking directly to, and affects, the largest sandbox MMO world currently in existence through  combat, territory control and economy

-Large scale politics and metagame a definite possibility (and from what I can tell, ALREADY HAPPENING)

So how exactly is this not an MMO? From what I know this kind of integration between a standard FPS and a "traditional" MMO has never been done before. It is brand spanking new, so you're going to have to loosen up your mindset a bit. With its link to Eve Online I really don't see how you can deny that it is also an MMO.

I'm not going to get into the whole mmo debate because it seems rather fruitless since the game certainly has those elements. What I will say is their plan with this game is set up for failure. There are frankly way better known fps franchises already available for console players. So the majority isn't going to give a flying fuck about this game. They would have been much better served releasing this on pc. Where some know about Eve and would love to get into the fray yet may not like the current Eve gameplay synopsis. One of the worst design choices I have seen in some time frankly and not long after launch you're going to see why.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  mysticalspam

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8/17/12 5:56:39 PM#60
by the time they launch this game on ps3, the ps4 will be right around the corner and no one will play dust..

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