Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster

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I don't think you know what you're talking about... It is a new engine, SE already stated as much, and I doubt it will fail. SE isn't going to make the same mistake twice after investing such large sums of money into basically recreating the entire game. It's sad that there are so many pessimistic people that can't even be happy when a company realizes that they've made a mistake and so go and build a whole freaking new engine and game to try and fix their mistake. I don't think I've ever seen an MMORPG company do this for any MMORPG that needed it.

These days they just make it F2P and hope that people spend money in their cash shops so they can pay back the investors, so it makes me happy to see that SE isn't going that route but trying to give their playerbase what they want and deserve. Final Fantasy has some loyal fans out there that would be very sad if FXIV didn't succeed come 2.0.

It's not a new engine. End of story. They are patching it into the old engine.. gradually at the moment. Which means it's a modfied version of the same engine, just like patching any other MMO. It might by GREATLY modified, but it's still the same engine.

Look at wikipedia... It even states it will "incorporate a new graphics engine." Google is an amazing invention.

Lol a new graphics engine isn't a new 'game' engine. Neither is wikipedia fact in any way, that's just been taken from a press statement or marketing article about the patch. The graphics weren't the real problem in the first place anyway.

Look, I hope it's good, I really do. But, I was in the alpha for it and watched it get worse and worse as they continued to ignore us testers. It was better in alpha than it was at release. I just don't have high hopes.

Vannor u are totally wrong, stop being stubborn.

FFXIV 1.0 was made under Crystal tools engine. Totally fail because this engine is not prepared for PC or multiplayer games.

FFXIV 2.0 has been made using a new engine, this engine has been made by Luminous Studio Developer Team, focusing in multiplayer and multi-plataforms.

http://pc.rpgsite.net/interviews/327-final-fantasy-xiv-interview-with-producer-director-naoki-yoshida

6th question, with second picture.

If u dont know something, please stop talking about it.

Quite happy to resume posting.

Here's something I think you all decided to ignore:

"The [Luminous] Engine is more developed for a console type of system. To get something that would be more suited for an MMORPG, what we did was we borrowed some of the engineers that are working on the Luminous system and had them help us rebuild an engine"

Note it says 'rebuilt' not build a new one, can't rebuild something if it's new. Also, if you decide to read and understand it properly, it doesn't use the Luminous engine, they just used people that have worked on the Luminous engine. You lot are only seeing what you are wating to see. Like I said anyway, a new, or even 'rebuilt' graphics engine isn't a new game engine.

Originally posted by Vannor

Quite happy to resume posting.

Here's something I think you all decided to ignore:

"The [Luminous] Engine is more developed for a console type of system. To get something that would be more suited for an MMORPG, what we did was we borrowed some of the engineers that are working on the Luminous system and had them help us rebuild an engine"

Note it says 'rebuilt' not build a new one, can't rebuild something if it's new. Also, if you decide to read and understand it properly, it doesn't use the Luminous engine, just people that have worked on the Luminous engine. You lot are only seeing what you are wating to see. Like I said anyway, a new, or even 'rebuilt' graphics engine isn't a new game engine.

You're still missing the point... "Rebuild" means it's still going to be new engine. As in, it's not the same engine as before.

Originally posted by Razeekster
Glad you guys found that! I remembered reading it somewhere but couldn't find it again. So yeah, Vannor, that's what I was trying to tell you. Just try and not post stuff like it's fact if you're not actually sure that it is indeed a fact.

 That wonderful link helped me prove my point. I'm glad they found it as well.. see my post above.

is u who is missing something, they rebuild LUMINOUS engine.

U dont pick luminous engeneer and luminous developer team, to rebuild Crystal tools engine... 

And second 2.0 have capabilities with DirectX 11, Crystal tools had not is Luminous who can do it.

I will say it again, stop being stubborn.

Rebuild AN engine is not Rebuild THE engine.

Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster
Glad you guys found that! I remembered reading it somewhere but couldn't find it again. So yeah, Vannor, that's what I was trying to tell you. Just try and not post stuff like it's fact if you're not actually sure that it is indeed a fact.

 That wonderful link helped me prove my point. I'm glad they found it as well.. see my post above.

And see my post above the one you just posted because you're still wrong.

Way I see it, if I knock down part of my house and rebuild it.. I don't have a new house.

I'm not really the sort to sit here arguing on forums. So we can just agree to disagree.

Originally posted by Ralstlin

is u who is missing something, they rebuild LUMINOUS engine.

 

U dont pick luminous engeneer and luminous developer team, to rebuild Crystal tools engine... 

And second 2.0 have capabilities with DirectX 11, Crystal tools had not is Luminous who can do it.

 

I will say it again, stop being stubborn.

He's just another one of those people who has to be right all the time or they can't live with themselves. He will undoubtedly continue stating how he is right even though several people have already told him he is wrong. We have a few of those people in these forums, and it sometimes helps to just ignore them.

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Originally posted by Vannor Quite happy to resume posting. Here's something I think you all decided to ignore: "The [Luminous] Engine is more developed for a console type of system. To get something that would be more suited for an MMORPG, what we did was we borrowed some of the engineers that are working on the Luminous system and had them help us rebuild an engine" Note it says 'rebuilt' not build a new one, can't rebuild something if it's new. Also, if you decide to read and understand it properly, it doesn't use the Luminous engine, they just used people that have worked on the Luminous engine. You lot are only seeing what you are wating to see. Like I said anyway, a new, or even 'rebuilt' graphics engine isn't a new game engine.

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I'm not up-to-date on the issue or anything and am skimming.. but with that said, you appear to be wrong.

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FFXIV 1.0 was made under Crystal tools engine. Totally fail because this engine is not prepared for PC or multiplayer games.
FFXIV 2.0 has been made using a new engine, this engine has been made by Luminous Studio Developer Team, focusing in multiplayer and multi-platforms.

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If they used Crystal Tools Engine for 1.0 and are now using Luminous (rebuilt or not), it's still a new engine. You're wrong.

If they took Luminous and rebuilt it, good for them, but switching from Crystal Tools to Luminous appears to be a complete engine switch. They didn't switch from Luminous Build 1 to Luminous Build 2.

Oh well, tho. Don't know much about either engine. But you should read more thoroughly.

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster
Glad you guys found that! I remembered reading it somewhere but couldn't find it again. So yeah, Vannor, that's what I was trying to tell you. Just try and not post stuff like it's fact if you're not actually sure that it is indeed a fact.

 That wonderful link helped me prove my point. I'm glad they found it as well.. see my post above.

And see my post above the one you just posted because you're still wrong.

Way I see it, if I knock down part of my house and rebuild it.. I don't have a new house.

I'm not really the sort to sit here arguing on forums. So we can just agree to disagree.

 

 

They're not rebuilding "part" of the engine. It's the whole engine. So your reference is off a bit.

Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by Ralstlin

is u who is missing something, they rebuild LUMINOUS engine.

 

U dont pick luminous engeneer and luminous developer team, to rebuild Crystal tools engine... 

And second 2.0 have capabilities with DirectX 11, Crystal tools had not is Luminous who can do it.

 

I will say it again, stop being stubborn.

He's just another one of those people who has to be right all the time or they can't live with themselves. He will undoubtedly continue stating how he is right even though several people have already told him he is wrong. We have a few of those people in these forums, and it sometimes helps to just ignore them.

You can dumb it down to that if you want. See you are one of those people that like to saythings like that or you can't live with yourself.

Remember I stated ths: FFXIV 2.0 uses some 'elements' of the Luminous sytem, it does not use the Luminous system. The Luminous system isn't even finished.

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster
Glad you guys found that! I remembered reading it somewhere but couldn't find it again. So yeah, Vannor, that's what I was trying to tell you. Just try and not post stuff like it's fact if you're not actually sure that it is indeed a fact.

 That wonderful link helped me prove my point. I'm glad they found it as well.. see my post above.

And see my post above the one you just posted because you're still wrong.

Way I see it, if I knock down part of my house and rebuild it.. I don't have a new house.

I'm not really the sort to sit here arguing on forums. So we can just agree to disagree.

 

 

Or youcan re-read that 1.0 and 2.0 aren't two versions of Luminous, but switching from Crystal Tools and then we can all agree and just agree.

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by Ralstlin

is u who is missing something, they rebuild LUMINOUS engine.

 

U dont pick luminous engeneer and luminous developer team, to rebuild Crystal tools engine... 

And second 2.0 have capabilities with DirectX 11, Crystal tools had not is Luminous who can do it.

 

I will say it again, stop being stubborn.

He's just another one of those people who has to be right all the time or they can't live with themselves. He will undoubtedly continue stating how he is right even though several people have already told him he is wrong. We have a few of those people in these forums, and it sometimes helps to just ignore them.

You can dumb it down to that if you want. See you are one of those people that like to saythings like that or you can't live with yourself.

Remember I stated ths: FFXIV 2.0 uses some 'elements' of the Luminous sytem, it does not use the Luminous system. The Luminous system isn't even finished.

Four players have stated you're wrong, and you continue to argue... You basically have proven my point, so thank you.

Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by Ralstlin

is u who is missing something, they rebuild LUMINOUS engine.

 

U dont pick luminous engeneer and luminous developer team, to rebuild Crystal tools engine... 

And second 2.0 have capabilities with DirectX 11, Crystal tools had not is Luminous who can do it.

 

I will say it again, stop being stubborn.

He's just another one of those people who has to be right all the time or they can't live with themselves. He will undoubtedly continue stating how he is right even though several people have already told him he is wrong. We have a few of those people in these forums, and it sometimes helps to just ignore them.

You can dumb it down to that if you want. See you are one of those people that like to saythings like that or you can't live with yourself.

Remember I stated ths: FFXIV 2.0 uses some 'elements' of the Luminous sytem, it does not use the Luminous system. The Luminous system isn't even finished.

Four players have stated you're wrong, and you continue to argue... You basically have proven my point, so thank you.

From the link given earlier, about the lighting system:

"It’s different in the sense that it’s not a part of the existing Luminous Engine, because if we were to wait until that engine was completed, we wouldn’t be able to get the game out in time"

Seriously, I don't have to be right.. I just am right. I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong.

Provide a link showing details of the completed luminous system and I'll freely admit I'm wrong. If you can't, then all you 4 knowledgable players are wrong.

Look, if you consider a rebuilt engine to be something new then fine, go with that. That's not what I consider a new engine to be.

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by Ralstlin

is u who is missing something, they rebuild LUMINOUS engine.

 

U dont pick luminous engeneer and luminous developer team, to rebuild Crystal tools engine... 

And second 2.0 have capabilities with DirectX 11, Crystal tools had not is Luminous who can do it.

 

I will say it again, stop being stubborn.

He's just another one of those people who has to be right all the time or they can't live with themselves. He will undoubtedly continue stating how he is right even though several people have already told him he is wrong. We have a few of those people in these forums, and it sometimes helps to just ignore them.

You can dumb it down to that if you want. See you are one of those people that like to saythings like that or you can't live with yourself.

Remember I stated ths: FFXIV 2.0 uses some 'elements' of the Luminous sytem, it does not use the Luminous system. The Luminous system isn't even finished.

Four players have stated you're wrong, and you continue to argue... You basically have proven my point, so thank you.

From the link given earlier, about the lighting system:

"It’s different in the sense that it’s not a part of the existing Luminous Engine, because if we were to wait until that engine was completed, we wouldn’t be able to get the game out in time"

Seriously, I don't have to be right.. I just am right. I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong.

Provide a link showing details of the completed luminous system and I'll freely admit I'm wrong. If you can't, then all you 4 knowledgable players are wrong.

Look, if you consider a rebuilt engine to be something new then fine, go with that. That's not what I consider a new engine to be.

It's not even really "rebuilt." It's being worked on by different tools. The only reason you can say it's being "rebuilt" is because it's still going under the name "FXIV." In other words.... New engine.

Originally posted by Razeekster

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It's not even really "rebuilt." It's being worked on by different tools. The only reason you can say it's being "rebuilt" is because it's still going under the name "FXIV." In other words.... New engine.

I gave a quote before from that interview where a dev clearly used the word 'rebuild'. I'll give it again:

"To get something that would be more suited for an MMORPG, what we did was we borrowed some of the engineers that are working on the Luminous system, and had them help us rebuild an engine that would be able to display high quality graphics"

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster

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It's not even really "rebuilt." It's being worked on by different tools. The only reason you can say it's being "rebuilt" is because it's still going under the name "FXIV." In other words.... New engine.

I gave a quote before from that interview where a dev clearly used the word 'rebuild'. I'll give it again:

"To get something that would be more suited for an MMORPG, what we did was we borrowed some of the engineers that are working on the Luminous system, and had them help us rebuild an engine that would be able to display high quality graphics"

I said, "not really." Read please. Either way, a rebuilt engine is still a new engine.

Originally posted by Razeekster

Originally posted by Vannor

Originally posted by Razeekster

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It's not even really "rebuilt." It's being worked on by different tools. The only reason you can say it's being "rebuilt" is because it's still going under the name "FXIV." In other words.... New engine.

I gave a quote before from that interview where a dev clearly used the word 'rebuild'. I'll give it again:

"To get something that would be more suited for an MMORPG, what we did was we borrowed some of the engineers that are working on the Luminous system, and had them help us rebuild an engine that would be able to display high quality graphics"

I said, "not really." Read please. Either way, a rebuilt engine is still a new engine.

Changed your story a bit now though. First it used a 'new' engine, then it used the Luminous engine, then I was accused of being wrong because it 'definately' uses the Luminous engine, then I just proved it doesn't use the Luminous engine because the Luminous engine isn't completed yet and then I quoted a dev saying it's a rebuilt engine. Yet you still consider yourself to be right?

Whether a rebuilt engine is considered to be a new engine is down to opinion. So there really isn't anything else left to discuss.

u are stubborn guy. 

1.0 is Crystal tools.

2.0 is a rebuild engine from Luminous Engine.

as i said, u dont get luminous developer team, to rebuild Unreal Engine, Crystal tools or CryEngine

So moving from Crystal Tools to a Rebuild Luminous Engine (finished or not) is a New engine. Anyway, u said Luminous is not finished, but they show u Agni's Philosophy that is Real Time Render using Luminous. So it works, but probably with upgrades comming, but it works.

My last post in this non-sense discussion.

Originally posted by Ralstlin

u are stubborn guy. 

1.0 is Crystal tools.

2.0 is a rebuild engine from Luminous Engine.

 

as i said, u dont get luminous developer team, to rebuild Unreal Engine, Crystal tools or CryEngine

 

So moving from Crystal Tools to a Rebuild Luminous Engine (finished or not) is a New engine.

 

My last post in this non-sense discussion.

I hope you do read this because this quote from yourself earlier shows that you also changed your story from 'new' to 'rebuilt':

"FFXIV 2.0 has been made using a new engine, this engine has been made by Luminous Studio Developer Team, focusing in multiplayer and multi-plataforms."

Looks like you've changed your story as well. You see, from my point of view, you are the one being stubborn.

And just so you are clear.. it doesn't use an 'early' build of the Luminous engine or a rebuilt version of it. It's not the Luminous engine at all.