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  Lumm

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8/16/12 3:26:07 PM#41

There can be nothing but possitive things thats going to come from this relaunch. As long as they have a decent marketing campaign before release then this game will do very very good.

The turn around they have done is quite amazing. Well done SE!

  UNH0LYEV1L

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8/16/12 4:20:27 PM#42
There is litterally no point to play FFXIV I tried it, the control scheme is litterally the most awkward thing I have ever experienced in a video game.  The questing is also extremely boring and confusing.  Square Enix has just lost how to make good final fantasy games period, let along how to make a MMORPG.


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  AliceKaye

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8/16/12 4:25:20 PM#43
Originally posted by Angier2758

Can you jump yet?

 

I hated the reasoning the first time around on why it wasn't included....

Yes, you can jump. The reasoning the first time was quite legitimate, their engine could not handle it. Hell, it at times has a hard time handling just loading player characters.

They have designed an engine just for the game, it now includes jump for both player characters AND mounts.

 

Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
There is litterally no point to play FFXIV I tried it, the control scheme is litterally the most awkward thing I have ever experienced in a video game.  The questing is also extremely boring and confusing.  Square Enix has just lost how to make good final fantasy games period, let along how to make a MMORPG.
Okay lets take a step back here. Did you... read the article? Oh? No? Okay, let me re-fill you in.

It's an entirely new game. This is not the same game in which you are thinking. They have completely redone it from the ground up. New engine, new graphics, new quest system, new user interface. It now plays more like the MMO's you are used to and it no longer is clunky, awkward, boring or confusing.

Hopefully bold helps you decipher the differences in the new FFXIV 2.0 A Realm Reborn - The game is entirely new. New. Different. Not what it is currently.

Happy MMOing.

  Lumm

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8/16/12 4:51:47 PM#44
Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
There is litterally no point to play FFXIV I tried it, the control scheme is litterally the most awkward thing I have ever experienced in a video game.  The questing is also extremely boring and confusing.  Square Enix has just lost how to make good final fantasy games period, let along how to make a MMORPG.

Im guesssing you played in 2010? Or maybe you didnt read anyting in the article above besides the FFXIV name? It's a new game bro, wake up its 2012 with a relaunch.

Trolls will be trolls.

  Netspook

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8/16/12 5:25:03 PM#45
Originally posted by smokedogg311
Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
There is litterally no point to play FFXIV I tried it, the control scheme is litterally the most awkward thing I have ever experienced in a video game.  The questing is also extremely boring and confusing.  Square Enix has just lost how to make good final fantasy games period, let along how to make a MMORPG.

Im guesssing you played in 2010? Or maybe you didnt read anyting in the article above besides the FFXIV name? It's a new game bro, wake up its 2012 with a relaunch.

Trolls will be trolls.

 

He's talking about how the game IS, not how it will become in the future. And btw, 2012 brings no relaunch, that won't happen this year. Seems you're the one who didn't read the article. Hint: last paragrahp.

Trolls will indeed be trolls.

  xr00t3dx

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8/16/12 5:38:50 PM#46
Originally posted by AliceKaye
Originally posted by Angier2758

Can you jump yet?

 

I hated the reasoning the first time around on why it wasn't included....

Yes, you can jump. The reasoning the first time was quite legitimate, their engine could not handle it. Hell, it at times has a hard time handling just loading player characters.

They have designed an engine just for the game, it now includes jump for both player characters AND mounts.

 

Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
There is litterally no point to play FFXIV I tried it, the control scheme is litterally the most awkward thing I have ever experienced in a video game.  The questing is also extremely boring and confusing.  Square Enix has just lost how to make good final fantasy games period, let along how to make a MMORPG.
Okay lets take a step back here. Did you... read the article? Oh? No? Okay, let me re-fill you in.

It's an entirely new game. This is not the same game in which you are thinking. They have completely redone it from the ground up. New engine, new graphics, new quest system, new user interface. It now plays more like the MMO's you are used to and it no longer is clunky, awkward, boring or confusing.

Hopefully bold helps you decipher the differences in the new FFXIV 2.0 A Realm Reborn - The game is entirely new. New. Different. Not what it is currently.

Happy MMOing.

 

 

You know what's not new? The company making the game. The same people that made high level mistake after mistake on every inch of the current game. What, they had some epiphany and suddenly understand they were 100% mistaken on everything they claimed was right and now they know with 100% certainty they have it right again!

You can drag that flag around with you all you want. Fool me once.. Or in your case more than once.

BTW - Any company that would build an MMO with an engine that couldn't allow jumping because the engine couldn't handle it has lost their damn mind.

BTW2 - You are gullible as hell if you REALLY think that was why. 

BTW3 - Man didn't really land on the moon.

BTW4 - Zombies are real and will soon take over the planet.

 

 

  Maelkor

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8/16/12 5:41:07 PM#47

As a few pointed out they changed the current grind system with a quest based leveling system. I personally fail to see how grinding quests is different than grinding anything else. Not bashing the new FXIV as this is a problem with almost every current MMO out there. Quest based systems with short 5 minutes quests will typicall fragment the community into a million pieces of individual soloers who occassionaly find someone to group with for 5 to 10 minutes at a time to push through something difficult. It becomes near impossible to hunt with anyone over a longterm as everyone ends up on a completely different set of quests at any given moment in time unless you are real dedicated to only playing when your friends are online at the exact same time every day.

 

I would much rather have a system in which quests give 0 xp rewards and only give items/money/prestige or faction depending on what is suitable for a particular game. You can give bonus for finishing dungeons or solving an overarching storyline or something along those lines where someone just "grinding" mobs will advance at the same pace as someone "grinding" quests and where both styles of play can interchange and intersect at any time.

  Astrina

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8/16/12 6:19:42 PM#48

I played the previous one and to me, the interface broke the game. I truly hope they make it MUCH more PC friendly.  Plus, their quest system was terrible and their player market...I can't even find the words for how awful that was.  If they fix those type of issues, I am ALL about giving them another try.

  Lumm

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Posts: 130

8/16/12 6:35:20 PM#49
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by smokedogg311
Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
There is litterally no point to play FFXIV I tried it, the control scheme is litterally the most awkward thing I have ever experienced in a video game.  The questing is also extremely boring and confusing.  Square Enix has just lost how to make good final fantasy games period, let along how to make a MMORPG.

Im guesssing you played in 2010? Or maybe you didnt read anyting in the article above besides the FFXIV name? It's a new game bro, wake up its 2012 with a relaunch.

Trolls will be trolls.

 

He's talking about how the game IS, not how it will become in the future. And btw, 2012 brings no relaunch, that won't happen this year. Seems you're the one who didn't read the article. Hint: last paragrahp.

Trolls will indeed be trolls.

2012 WILL bring the relaunch. This game will be playable to the public for the PC before 2013 comes. For PS3? Then yes the game will be out around January or so for it but i wouldnt call it even a relaunch for PS3 since it was never released for it. I took the bait and accept being trolled on this.

  MrMonrose

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Joined: 4/13/12
Posts: 3

8/16/12 6:51:21 PM#50

I would love to try this game, always wanted to give it a shot, I was so deep into WoW nothing else mattered.  I've finally had my fill of WoW, for a couple years now.  So I hope they do a good job.

I do wish they would offer game time cards.  I am tired of using my credit card to pay for game time. Also with SOE's history of security, lack there of a game card I believe is essential.

Got my fingers crossed.

  Jockan

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Joined: 9/03/08
Posts: 4071

8/16/12 6:56:21 PM#51
#1 game I am looking foward to. This actually looks like a real mmo and I have not seen that in a very long time.


  AliceKaye

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8/16/12 6:58:44 PM#52

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by smokedogg311
Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
There is litterally no point to play FFXIV I tried it, the control scheme is litterally the most awkward thing I have ever experienced in a video game.  The questing is also extremely boring and confusing.  Square Enix has just lost how to make good final fantasy games period, let along how to make a MMORPG.

Im guesssing you played in 2010? Or maybe you didnt read anyting in the article above besides the FFXIV name? It's a new game bro, wake up its 2012 with a relaunch.

Trolls will be trolls.

 

He's talking about how the game IS, not how it will become in the future. And btw, 2012 brings no relaunch, that won't happen this year. Seems you're the one who didn't read the article. Hint: last paragrahp.

Trolls will indeed be trolls.

Actually, Yoshida himself has been quoted as saying "this year", on quite a few Gamescom interviews. The person this article-writer spoke to, was a peon.

Originally posted by xr00t3dx

Originally posted by AliceKaye
Originally posted by Angier2758

Can you jump yet?

 

I hated the reasoning the first time around on why it wasn't included....

Yes, you can jump. The reasoning the first time was quite legitimate, their engine could not handle it. Hell, it at times has a hard time handling just loading player characters.

They have designed an engine just for the game, it now includes jump for both player characters AND mounts.

 

Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
There is litterally no point to play FFXIV I tried it, the control scheme is litterally the most awkward thing I have ever experienced in a video game.  The questing is also extremely boring and confusing.  Square Enix has just lost how to make good final fantasy games period, let along how to make a MMORPG.
Okay lets take a step back here. Did you... read the article? Oh? No? Okay, let me re-fill you in.

It's an entirely new game. This is not the same game in which you are thinking. They have completely redone it from the ground up. New engine, new graphics, new quest system, new user interface. It now plays more like the MMO's you are used to and it no longer is clunky, awkward, boring or confusing.

Hopefully bold helps you decipher the differences in the new FFXIV 2.0 A Realm Reborn - The game is entirely new. New. Different. Not what it is currently.

Happy MMOing.

 

 

You know what's not new? The company making the game. The same people that made high level mistake after mistake on every inch of the current game. What, they had some epiphany and suddenly understand they were 100% mistaken on everything they claimed was right and now they know with 100% certainty they have it right again!

You can drag that flag around with you all you want. Fool me once.. Or in your case more than once.

BTW - Any company that would build an MMO with an engine that couldn't allow jumping because the engine couldn't handle it has lost their damn mind.

BTW2 - You are gullible as hell if you REALLY think that was why. 

BTW3 - Man didn't really land on the moon.

BTW4 - Zombies are real and will soon take over the planet.

You know what, you're actually wrong. Perhaps the same COMPANY is responsible for releasing this game, however the team that is currently working on it is ENTIRELY NEW as of December 2010. The original creator of Final Fantasy XIV in it's current state was Hiromichi Tanaka. After he failed so freakin terribly at the launch of his game, he quit working for Square Enix, in fact quit working entirely because his health had taken a turn for the worse (stress perhaps) and the whole team was overhauled and they brought in Naoki Yoshida.

Tanaka would not even remotely consider any changes to his beloved failure that is FFXIV 1.0. People kept telling him that his crap stunk and he didn't believe it, so everything we had at launch was things he liked. He never saw any problems with the game.

When the game failed and they brought in Yoshida, Yoshida could tell right away what was wrong with the game, it wasn't up to par of the MMO's of today. So after trying to salvage what Tanaka had blundered, he decided he couldn't so they went about completely overhauling the game at large.

Onto your list:

BTW #1: They built FFXI on the same engine that FFXIV is built on, that game did incredibly well and is still doing quite well today, 10 years later. People weren't too happy about the lack of jump, but they got over it. I'm sure Tanaka didn't see a problem with it missing from FFXIV but clearly for the general western audience, it was a great issue, one that Yoshida fixed during his remaking of the game.

BTW #2: I don't find myself to be gullible. I read everything I can about the games I'm interested in and I make an opinion based on what there is to read. I think I'm far more informed about FFXIV and it's shortcomings and rebuildings than you are.

BTW #3: Oh, you're one of those people.

BTW #4: Hopefully you'll be eaten entirely.

 

  TheFirst109

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8/16/12 7:19:53 PM#53
The video is amazing and has me really pumped to play! The limit break the party performs at the end I'm assuming is the BLM using meteor. Looks fantastic. And the dragoon gameplay I saw definitely shows how fast paced the combat is going to be. Props to SE for taking a failed game and redoing the whole thing. It's nice to see a company take pride in their games and not try to bandage up a failed product like so many others...
  wormed

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8/16/12 7:26:54 PM#54
Looks great to me. I briefly tried FF beta and instantly thought it was crap so never got further than that. This looks very optimistic. I'll give it a shot when it's released.
  Damon

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8/16/12 7:27:15 PM#55

This game is the single worst purchase I have ever made.   I will need to see extensive video of actual gameplay, or a free trial, before I even think about trying this game again.  Chances are that I will never play it again, because I'll be playing BF3, GW2, and Firefall at some point.  If they still want to charge a subscription, it better be far superior to the non-subscription games I'm enjoying.

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8/16/12 7:58:15 PM#56
Originally posted by AliceKaye

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by smokedogg311
Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
There is litterally no point to play FFXIV I tried it, the control scheme is litterally the most awkward thing I have ever experienced in a video game.  The questing is also extremely boring and confusing.  Square Enix has just lost how to make good final fantasy games period, let along how to make a MMORPG.

Im guesssing you played in 2010? Or maybe you didnt read anyting in the article above besides the FFXIV name? It's a new game bro, wake up its 2012 with a relaunch.

Trolls will be trolls.

 

He's talking about how the game IS, not how it will become in the future. And btw, 2012 brings no relaunch, that won't happen this year. Seems you're the one who didn't read the article. Hint: last paragrahp.

Trolls will indeed be trolls.

Actually, Yoshida himself has been quoted as saying "this year", on quite a few Gamescom interviews. The person this article-writer spoke to, was a peon.

 

Maybe they've changed the release date, it's entirely plausible given how difficult it is to remake an entire game. It wouldn't surprised me anyway considering we're already half-way through August and still haven't heard any mentions of CBT or Launch Dates since Yoshida's last comment. So...I'd suggest you tone it down a little with the "he's just a peon" remark, he probably knows a lot more of what goes on at the company than you do.

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  TangentPoint

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8/16/12 8:03:11 PM#57

I notice that a lot of people who have been only peripherally following FFXIV, or not really following it at all, have the mistaken idea that 2.0 is just FFXIV with some of its launch issues ironed out and/or replaced.

That's really not it at all. Not by a long shot.

I can't find the reference (I'll have to edit it in once I do), but it's been noted by SE (by Naoki Yoshida, himself, if I'm not mistaken) that FFXIV 2.0, or "A Realm Reborn" as it's officially known now is (or will be, when it's released) comprised of 90% new content/data and only 10% of old content/data. Also, all the infrastructure for the game will be new - new server tech/architecture, etc. They've replaced the previous/current graphics engine with a "spin-off" of their Luminous engine, modified specifically for use in 2.0.

For all intents and purposes, it's a brand-new game. It's been an enormous undertaking for SE. Not just some token "miracle patch" that most MMO developers kick out just before, or just after, the game launches.

Dalamud crashing into Eorzea and destroying everything is as much symbolic of the change from FFXIV 1.x to 2.0 as it is a major storyline element.

 

Just something to keep in mind for those who may not fully appreciate or realize the scope of what SE's been up to all this time since Yoshida took over as Producer and Director of the game.

 

Now, whether all that time and effort and work will result in a more solid, fun and successful game remains to be seen. I'm not trying to predict either way as I'm not even prepared to make that call yet. I predicted/assumed 1.0 would be successful, and I was picking crow feathers out of my teeth for several months afterward. This time around, I'm quite cautiously optimistic. I like what I'm seeing - a lot. But then, I liked what I saw of 1.0 also. So...

Anyway, I just wanted to help lend some perspective to the situation for those who, perhaps, haven't been fully aware of all that's been going on.

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  aligada87

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8/16/12 8:21:05 PM#58
Originally posted by xr00t3dx
Square, the best thing you could do is never speak of this version again. Then, when it's completely finished and polished to a shine send out free 4 days beta invites and we'll be the judge. Until then it's just vapor ware and your just blowing smoke.

even if they don't give 4 days free trials out , there are already people from the ffxiv community who will be able to beta test it since legacy accounts get access to beta for ffxiv 2.0 in other words there are still going to be reviews about how the game is regardless of whether you got to try ffxiv 2.0 or not.

  Theocritus

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8/16/12 8:22:12 PM#59
        I dont know why but it feels like FFXIV doesnt want me lol....I never see any adverts for it or free trial offers.....It almost feels like its an exclusive club or something and most of us aren't invited.
  Netspook

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8/16/12 8:25:30 PM#60
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by AliceKaye

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by smokedogg311
Originally posted by UNH0LYEV1L
There is litterally no point to play FFXIV I tried it, the control scheme is litterally the most awkward thing I have ever experienced in a video game.  The questing is also extremely boring and confusing.  Square Enix has just lost how to make good final fantasy games period, let along how to make a MMORPG.

Im guesssing you played in 2010? Or maybe you didnt read anyting in the article above besides the FFXIV name? It's a new game bro, wake up its 2012 with a relaunch.

Trolls will be trolls.

 

He's talking about how the game IS, not how it will become in the future. And btw, 2012 brings no relaunch, that won't happen this year. Seems you're the one who didn't read the article. Hint: last paragrahp.

Trolls will indeed be trolls.

Actually, Yoshida himself has been quoted as saying "this year", on quite a few Gamescom interviews. The person this article-writer spoke to, was a peon.

 

Maybe they've changed the release date, it's entirely plausible given how difficult it is to remake an entire game. It wouldn't surprised me anyway considering we're already half-way through August and still haven't heard any mentions of CBT or Launch Dates since Yoshida's last comment. So...I'd suggest you tone it down a little with the "he's just a peon" remark, he probably knows a lot more of what goes on at the company than you do.

 

I agree. And I trust this "peon" who works at SE more than this random forum troll you're quoting.

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