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  NoLimit5401

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8/12/12 5:09:06 PM#61
I do not even think it is a matter of sandbox vs. themepark....unfortunately, it was/is just a bad game and a terrible use of the Star Wars license. Most aspects of the game are just not fun, plain and simple.
  tiefighter25

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8/12/12 5:11:12 PM#62

Keithan that wasn't aimed at you.

In a nutshell I had simlar letdown experieces with Skyrim and SWTOR storytelling aspects. No matter what I did, it seemed to me the only real descion in the both games was Empire or Rebel. In both you will eventually finish the "class" quests and be the uber hero of the universe.

  Gdemami

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8/12/12 5:14:39 PM#63

 


Originally posted by tiefighter25

Are you suggesting that in your opinion my opinion in invalid because you say so? Because Dude, yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

 

I am suggesting you to re-read my post... [mod edit]

  Presbytier

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OP  8/12/12 5:36:16 PM#64
Originally posted by NoLimit5401
I do not even think it is a matter of sandbox vs. themepark....unfortunately, it was/is just a bad game and a terrible use of the Star Wars license. Most aspects of the game are just not fun, plain and simple.

I dissagree I think it is a fun game just lacking in endgame combat; plain and simple.

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  tiefighter25

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8/12/12 6:14:26 PM#65
Originally posted by Gdemami

 


Originally posted by tiefighter25

Are you suggesting that in your opinion my opinion in invalid because you say so? Because Dude, yeah, well, you know, that’s just, like, your opinion, man.

 

I am suggesting you to re-read my post...[mod edit]

 

All you've said in this thread is that my opinion is invalid. Are you mixing this up with the other thread where you were arguing that SWTOR isn't a financial boondogle?

You seem to spend a lot of time in these forums calling me stupid and proclaiming that which is fact  is actually misconception, and who's opinions are wrong and how your opinions are correct, albeit in a disjointed, antagonistic, and confusing manner.

  Zarriya

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8/12/12 7:00:35 PM#66
Originally posted by Presbytier
Originally posted by Zarriya
Originally posted by Presbytier

 

 

So, the question is; is SW:ToR over or is this just the beggining of its second coming.

For me its over and i will never go back.  It really is a shame, but they lie and cover up so many things, that I really want no part of Bioware ever again. 

What did they lie about? I find it funny how people will claim said "game developer lied" then never actually say what it eas they lied abourt.

I try not to remeber them all lol!  Here are just a few:

EA responds to rumors of layoffs: "There are no lay-offs as such, we always have projects growing and morphing. At any given time there are new people coming in and others leaving. EA is growing and hiring and building teams to support the growing demand for digital games and services."  and then there are layoffs http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/rumour-ea-preparing-for-500-1-000-layoffs/094475

I personally was lied to about by ship date on my SWTOR purchase through Origin.  Another customer service rep was truthful.

Release date Spring 2011.  Yea a lot of games get put on hold, but most companies acknowledge it and not pretend it wasn't changed.

Not losing Subscriptions by Daniel Erickson : http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/23/bioware-doing-anything-and-everything-to-keep-players-logging-in-to-swtor/

Hundreds of players on Ilum: http://www.askajedi.com/2011/11/08/fan-site-summit-ilum-open-world-pvp-detailed/.  Ever try fighting 24 vs 24 on ilum - too much lag to be playable.

James Ohlen "multiple players fighting a single mob is not heroic" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5reRzRfVUU   well guess what our raids were lol.

again there are more, but I dont want to get into it in this thread. I am just defending myself.  All I stated is to the topic of the OP which is why I am done with SWTOR.

  Presbytier

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OP  8/12/12 8:01:25 PM#67
Originally posted by Zarriya
Originally posted by Presbytier
Originally posted by Zarriya
Originally posted by Presbytier

 

 

So, the question is; is SW:ToR over or is this just the beggining of its second coming.

For me its over and i will never go back.  It really is a shame, but they lie and cover up so many things, that I really want no part of Bioware ever again. 

What did they lie about? I find it funny how people will claim said "game developer lied" then never actually say what it eas they lied abourt.

I try not to remeber them all lol!  Here are just a few:

EA responds to rumors of layoffs: "There are no lay-offs as such, we always have projects growing and morphing. At any given time there are new people coming in and others leaving. EA is growing and hiring and building teams to support the growing demand for digital games and services."  and then there are layoffs http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/rumour-ea-preparing-for-500-1-000-layoffs/094475

I personally was lied to about by ship date on my SWTOR purchase through Origin.  Another customer service rep was truthful.

Release date Spring 2011.  Yea a lot of games get put on hold, but most companies acknowledge it and not pretend it wasn't changed.

Not losing Subscriptions by Daniel Erickson : http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/23/bioware-doing-anything-and-everything-to-keep-players-logging-in-to-swtor/

Hundreds of players on Ilum: http://www.askajedi.com/2011/11/08/fan-site-summit-ilum-open-world-pvp-detailed/.  Ever try fighting 24 vs 24 on ilum - too much lag to be playable.

James Ohlen "multiple players fighting a single mob is not heroic" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5reRzRfVUU   well guess what our raids were lol.

again there are more, but I dont want to get into it in this thread. I am just defending myself.  All I stated is to the topic of the OP which is why I am done with SWTOR.

Subjective truths are not necessarily lies, and yes I know that statement may make me look like a blind fanboi(which I am not).

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  keithian

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8/12/12 8:08:44 PM#68
Originally posted by NoLimit5401
I do not even think it is a matter of sandbox vs. themepark....unfortunately, it was/is just a bad game and a terrible use of the Star Wars license. Most aspects of the game are just not fun, plain and simple.

I'm always amazed how many target the TOR forums with bashing with only 1 post...or very few. I think some of you need to learn how to say "In my opinion". The reality is that If you like WOW mechanics with a Age of conan Tortage style questing and a story that is far more interesting then either game, there is absolutely nothing wrong here. It just didn't meet the expectations of many who were hoping it was less linear, more sandboxy, and more group focused. However, its just as good as most of the MMOs that have been released in the last few years. It kept my attention much longer than Aion, Rift, Vanguard, Warhammer, or Age of Conan...and several others.

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  3-4thElf

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8/12/12 8:11:03 PM#69
Originally posted by Presbytier
Originally posted by Kakkzooka
This should be as entertaining as the "Why Betamax is not down for the count!" thread.

Funny, but none the less wrong example. Game mechanics and technological inovation don;t coralate(in other words "apples to oranges"). Just because some people don't like one type of game does not mean others won't. Game mechanics never get stale.

That's why we have PONG and DUCK HUNT at IPL each year.. wait..

a yo ho ho

  tuppe99

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8/13/12 2:53:53 AM#70
Originally posted by keithian
I'm always amazed how many target the TOR forums with bashing with only 1 post...or very few. I think some of you need to learn how to say "In my opinion". The reality is that If you like WOW mechanics with a Age of conan Tortage style questing and a story that is far more interesting then either game, there is absolutely nothing wrong here. It just didn't meet the expectations of many who were hoping it was less linear, more sandboxy, and more group focused. However, its just as good as most of the MMOs that have been released in the last few years. It kept my attention much longer than Aion, Rift, Vanguard, Warhammer, or Age of Conan...and several others.

The thing is, it did not meet the expectations of the majority of the players who tried it. It is not just the vocal people on these forums. It seems to be the silent majority as well.

The problem with the silent majority leaving a game, is that they rarely come back. They have seen that they don't like this game and they moved on. It not a sandbox vs themepark debate on why people don't like the game. They don't like it, because they find they don't enjoy playing it beyond the first level 50 character.

Personally, I could not get past the first 20 levels and that is a sandbox themepark issue. But I am in the minority, my sub is but a drop in the ocean. They need to figure out why the rest of the players left. And it is not because it a sub game like EA try to spin it.

 

It is just not enjoyable for most (not all).

  Phry

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8/13/12 3:08:19 AM#71
Originally posted by Presbytier
Originally posted by Zarriya
Originally posted by Presbytier
Originally posted by Zarriya
Originally posted by Presbytier

 

 

So, the question is; is SW:ToR over or is this just the beggining of its second coming.

For me its over and i will never go back.  It really is a shame, but they lie and cover up so many things, that I really want no part of Bioware ever again. 

What did they lie about? I find it funny how people will claim said "game developer lied" then never actually say what it eas they lied abourt.

I try not to remeber them all lol!  Here are just a few:

EA responds to rumors of layoffs: "There are no lay-offs as such, we always have projects growing and morphing. At any given time there are new people coming in and others leaving. EA is growing and hiring and building teams to support the growing demand for digital games and services."  and then there are layoffs http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/rumour-ea-preparing-for-500-1-000-layoffs/094475

I personally was lied to about by ship date on my SWTOR purchase through Origin.  Another customer service rep was truthful.

Release date Spring 2011.  Yea a lot of games get put on hold, but most companies acknowledge it and not pretend it wasn't changed.

Not losing Subscriptions by Daniel Erickson : http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/23/bioware-doing-anything-and-everything-to-keep-players-logging-in-to-swtor/

Hundreds of players on Ilum: http://www.askajedi.com/2011/11/08/fan-site-summit-ilum-open-world-pvp-detailed/.  Ever try fighting 24 vs 24 on ilum - too much lag to be playable.

James Ohlen "multiple players fighting a single mob is not heroic" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5reRzRfVUU   well guess what our raids were lol.

again there are more, but I dont want to get into it in this thread. I am just defending myself.  All I stated is to the topic of the OP which is why I am done with SWTOR.

Subjective truths are not necessarily lies, and yes I know that statement may make me look like a blind fanboi(which I am not).

truth isnt something that can be manipulated, as soon as that happens, it becomes a lie, by the very definition of the word, its why statistics have such a bad reputation, statistics takes a whole lot of 'truths' and manipulates them, or is should say, rearranges them, to give a desired value. It happens all the time, in marketing, sales, investment banking.. whatever, but its still a lie

its a bit like the recovering alcoholic thing, the first stage is always, admitting you are an alcoholic, and thats when you can begin to work to improve things.

  Blackbrrd

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8/13/12 3:12:42 AM#72
Actually, it does look like the player base for SWTOR has stabilized, just look at xfire, it's at the same number of players now as it was two months ago. They said they needed 500k+ subscribers, and that is what they have.
  Gdemami

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8/13/12 4:00:59 AM#73


Originally posted by Phry

truth isnt something that can be manipulated

Yet, couple commas and one punctuation later you claim how it is happening all the time...


And no, that does not make it a lie.

  busdriver

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8/13/12 5:00:57 AM#74
Originally posted by Presbytier

Generic, hardley. Name a single other MMO that devoted to giving its players their own story.

This line is just hilarious, because SWTOR does the exact opposite. SWTOR makes players jump through the same loops over and over again, there's nothing unique or 'own' about them.

That's the definition of a themepark, everyone does more or less the same moves before hitting the cap.

  ktanner3

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8/13/12 8:10:51 AM#75
Originally posted by Blackbrrd
Actually, it does look like the player base for SWTOR has stabilized, just look at xfire, it's at the same number of players now as it was two months ago. They said they needed 500k+ subscribers, and that is what they have.

I noticed that as well. In that two month  time TSW been released and  already has dropped almost half its users while TERA has pretty much fallen off the radar. 

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  Yamota

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8/13/12 8:12:43 AM#76
SW:TOR was down for the count as a subscription based game but, like Star Trek Online, it can exist and maybe even thrive as a F2P because you will always have fanatic Star Wars or Star Trek fans who will pay alot of money on it just because of the IP.

  WhiteLantern

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8/13/12 8:13:21 AM#77

I read this thread for a bit and had a serious case of deja-vu.

Can't quite put my finger on where I've seen this before...............

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Gruug

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8/13/12 8:21:34 AM#78
Originally posted by Presbytier

This has been a whirl wind of a year for SW:TOR; there is no doubt about that. It started out as the second coming of Theme Park MMORPGs and now it is declared as an example as to why Theme Park MMORPGs are done for. Now I don"t have anything against Sandbox MMOs, but I do prefer the structure and nature of Theme Park games(which really is a misleading name since overal there are not many differences between a Theme Park and Sandbox game; just ask any one what constitutes as a pure Sandbox MMO and you will get an exceptionally wide variety of veiwpoints).

 

So, the question is; is SW:TOR over or is this just the beggining of its second coming. Now I will admit that most of this is just the hopes and wishes of a fan, but that does not devalue what i am about to say. Firstly I firmly believe SW:ToR would have been better served if it had taken a B2P model from the get go(notice i did not say F2P since i I think this game did sell well and would have continued to sell well without a sub). Now the game itself had an exceptionally solid launch one that I think many companies should emulate(from the looks of things GW2 is taking the same model with lots of Beta weekends and stress tests before launch). For the most part it also did not have an incredible amount of game breaking bugs( I am not sying it had no bugs, because it did, but instead pointing out that in comparison to most MMO launches it was considerably better).

 

Now the real issue was it just launched one year to soon. Many quality of life features the game needed as well as PvP and endgame content was just not there at launch, and i believe that it seriously hindered the game out of the gate. Many of those things have been addresed since launch(well except PvP which is still a mess), and the games overall performance has increased considrably since then as well. So, just less than one year later SW:TOR is going F2P, and it is a good thing. More people will be able to access the game with less restrictions; the only question is to whether they can keep their six week promise of new content and as to whether they can monetize it inj a way that does not piss off their fans but still makes them money.

 

It is not "f2p"...it PYG with a LFPO. If you don't do the PYG you won't get much out of the game at all. Therefore, sub players (those left) and those people that pay for the overpriced shop items will be the ones supporting this game. Yes, SWTOR may get more PLAYERS but the questions is, will they PAY enough to keep content flowing. My estimate is EA/Bioware will actually lose a lot more subscribers and will not get enough people to PYG to make it profitable.

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  ignore_me

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8/13/12 9:11:27 AM#79
Yes! I was hoping for a thread like this. When is 1.4 coming out?

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  noncley

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8/13/12 9:15:42 AM#80
Originally posted by Kakkzooka
This should be as entertaining as the "Why Betamax is not down for the count!" thread.

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