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  BeansnBread

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8/07/12 11:23:19 AM#41
Yeah, vials of blood and such can now be sent.

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  cloud8521

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OP  8/07/12 11:23:26 AM#42
Originally posted by terrant
Originally posted by cloud8521

1. Not any, lots of materials cant be sent like vials of blood .

2. Steal does not have the deapth i would like, being used to become a 1 use  attack is ok, but i dont feel like there is enough deapth there. Warrior's is also ok, but it feels like it just got a glorified extra attack. i dont know many people that will ever use it before it gets full, sure warrior gets the most weapons but that does not ammount to much  when you can only carry 2 at a time. Engineer is great, weapon packs as secondary skills is genius. Elementlist is fun with attunements ammounting to diffrent elements,  Guardian i cant say as i never got a chance wtih one. necro is just plain fun to play. mesmer with its shatter illusion looks cool but i never used it (but  was far too easy to avoid and see). Rangers jsut sucks.... but thats not because its design, i love the pet system i just dont like how it handles, the ai is a little bad the pet dies far to easily  (and is nearly uncontrolable).

so i guess i jsut feel like  warrior and theif need some looking at. (cant say much for guardian  and some others which i didnt get  much into yet) ranger just needs the pet system tweeked so the pert is A smarter or B easier to control.

 

3. i know what you mean here, but i would like to see variations inside the wepon types. such as if the weapon is on fire like the Firey Dragon sword it would have a diffrent skillset that matches its flame attribute.

 

4. the keeps thing was just the science i was throwing at the wall to show events can be put in more to enchance the gamemode more then disrupt it meaninglessly.

 

Edit:  ive been thinking it over.  and  upgrades can go past what you can pay for in WvWvW.  but this is still me throwing science

1. Vials absolutely can be. Any CRAFTED materials (like, if you turned some tin into the backplate for a shield) cannot. But the tin itself can be. Basically, once you work a material on the crafting table, it cannot be sent. The only other exception are certian rare pieces like Destroyer slivers.

2. I will agree 100% about Steal. I'd really love for it to replace your normal attack bar, like a bundle. I think it would work better.  warrior adrenaline isn't the most exciting mechanic in the world, since it's basically a mesh of combo points and rage bars. But it works at least.

3. I can see your point, but balancing all that crap...oh my god.

4. I like some of your idea for WvW...I really think you should submit it to Anet when the forums come back up. I know they're looking to add more small group/solo objectives....maybe those could be some? Stopping runners in the field is something WvW groups aren't doing well enough right now, and it contributes to the length of some seiges. That and idiots trying to zerg auto attack the walls without thinking.

3. blaancing on a per weapon baisis is not all that hard.

 

currently we have 19 wepons which from a balance standpoint (since they are all fixed) is not that many. and should be really easy to manage.  even if each class has their own setups of skills.  currently there is a total combination of 91 wepons.  a rather easy to deal with ammount of combo's  compaired to what MMO's usually have.

 

 

  Macecard

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Joined: 2/03/10
Posts: 146

8/07/12 11:23:31 AM#43

Just going to clear something up for people here because I think people in this thread are being a little vague about storage and banks and if your talking to someone who has not played it will not be immediatly obvious.

When someone in this thread says you can right click a crafting material and select 'send to collection', This send that item to your bank BUT not your actual 30(or whatever it is) slot bank, into a seperate section of your bank that is just for crafting materials, in this section you have a 'slot' for every base material and this slot can hold 250 of said material.

I know this is repeating a lot but a lot of people say you can send materials to your bank from anywhere, but this doesn't make it obvious that this doesn't use your conventional bank slots but a seperate crafting materials section.

If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you.
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  Macecard

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8/07/12 11:25:20 AM#44
Originally posted by cloud8521
Originally posted by terrant
Originally posted by cloud8521

1. Not any, lots of materials cant be sent like vials of blood .

2. Steal does not have the deapth i would like, being used to become a 1 use  attack is ok, but i dont feel like there is enough deapth there. Warrior's is also ok, but it feels like it just got a glorified extra attack. i dont know many people that will ever use it before it gets full, sure warrior gets the most weapons but that does not ammount to much  when you can only carry 2 at a time. Engineer is great, weapon packs as secondary skills is genius. Elementlist is fun with attunements ammounting to diffrent elements,  Guardian i cant say as i never got a chance wtih one. necro is just plain fun to play. mesmer with its shatter illusion looks cool but i never used it (but  was far too easy to avoid and see). Rangers jsut sucks.... but thats not because its design, i love the pet system i just dont like how it handles, the ai is a little bad the pet dies far to easily  (and is nearly uncontrolable).

so i guess i jsut feel like  warrior and theif need some looking at. (cant say much for guardian  and some others which i didnt get  much into yet) ranger just needs the pet system tweeked so the pert is A smarter or B easier to control.

 

3. i know what you mean here, but i would like to see variations inside the wepon types. such as if the weapon is on fire like the Firey Dragon sword it would have a diffrent skillset that matches its flame attribute.

 

4. the keeps thing was just the science i was throwing at the wall to show events can be put in more to enchance the gamemode more then disrupt it meaninglessly.

 

Edit:  ive been thinking it over.  and  upgrades can go past what you can pay for in WvWvW.  but this is still me throwing science

1. Vials absolutely can be. Any CRAFTED materials (like, if you turned some tin into the backplate for a shield) cannot. But the tin itself can be. Basically, once you work a material on the crafting table, it cannot be sent. The only other exception are certian rare pieces like Destroyer slivers.

2. I will agree 100% about Steal. I'd really love for it to replace your normal attack bar, like a bundle. I think it would work better.  warrior adrenaline isn't the most exciting mechanic in the world, since it's basically a mesh of combo points and rage bars. But it works at least.

3. I can see your point, but balancing all that crap...oh my god.

4. I like some of your idea for WvW...I really think you should submit it to Anet when the forums come back up. I know they're looking to add more small group/solo objectives....maybe those could be some? Stopping runners in the field is something WvW groups aren't doing well enough right now, and it contributes to the length of some seiges. That and idiots trying to zerg auto attack the walls without thinking.

3. blaancing on a per weapon baisis is not all that hard.

 

currently we have 19 wepons which from a balance standpoint (since they are all fixed) is not that many. and should be really easy to manage.  even if each class has their own setups of skills.  currently there is a total combination of 91 wepons.  a rather easy to deal with ammount of combo's  compaired to what MMO's usually have.

 

 

Its way more than you think though. Because a Warrior using a great sword is not the same as a mesmer using a greatsword, so you gotta really count this as 2 seperate weapons when it comes to balancing and expanded later down the line. and thats a caster and soldier using the same weapon for different things and its gotta be balanced.

91 seperate TYPES of weapon is a HUGE amount, your not thinking about the corsso over balancing, what stats can a thief bow have that wouldnt work on a  ranger or would make a ranger OP? Both classes use this weapon in vastly different ways so balancing all the different iterations of the bow across 80 levels is a huge task.

When you have classes corssing over like this it makes for a much more complicated balancing act. 

Seems to me you think balancing is easy and that my friend is naive.

 

If you continue to make sweeping statements like you know what everyone everywhere thinks about a certain topic then I am going to shout at you.
It easy to type 'I think this is the worst game ever'
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  cloud8521

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Joined: 5/30/04
Posts: 891

 
OP  8/07/12 11:28:09 AM#45
Originally posted by Macecard
Originally posted by cloud8521
Originally posted by terrant
Originally posted by cloud8521

1. Not any, lots of materials cant be sent like vials of blood .

2. Steal does not have the deapth i would like, being used to become a 1 use  attack is ok, but i dont feel like there is enough deapth there. Warrior's is also ok, but it feels like it just got a glorified extra attack. i dont know many people that will ever use it before it gets full, sure warrior gets the most weapons but that does not ammount to much  when you can only carry 2 at a time. Engineer is great, weapon packs as secondary skills is genius. Elementlist is fun with attunements ammounting to diffrent elements,  Guardian i cant say as i never got a chance wtih one. necro is just plain fun to play. mesmer with its shatter illusion looks cool but i never used it (but  was far too easy to avoid and see). Rangers jsut sucks.... but thats not because its design, i love the pet system i just dont like how it handles, the ai is a little bad the pet dies far to easily  (and is nearly uncontrolable).

so i guess i jsut feel like  warrior and theif need some looking at. (cant say much for guardian  and some others which i didnt get  much into yet) ranger just needs the pet system tweeked so the pert is A smarter or B easier to control.

 

3. i know what you mean here, but i would like to see variations inside the wepon types. such as if the weapon is on fire like the Firey Dragon sword it would have a diffrent skillset that matches its flame attribute.

 

4. the keeps thing was just the science i was throwing at the wall to show events can be put in more to enchance the gamemode more then disrupt it meaninglessly.

 

Edit:  ive been thinking it over.  and  upgrades can go past what you can pay for in WvWvW.  but this is still me throwing science

1. Vials absolutely can be. Any CRAFTED materials (like, if you turned some tin into the backplate for a shield) cannot. But the tin itself can be. Basically, once you work a material on the crafting table, it cannot be sent. The only other exception are certian rare pieces like Destroyer slivers.

2. I will agree 100% about Steal. I'd really love for it to replace your normal attack bar, like a bundle. I think it would work better.  warrior adrenaline isn't the most exciting mechanic in the world, since it's basically a mesh of combo points and rage bars. But it works at least.

3. I can see your point, but balancing all that crap...oh my god.

4. I like some of your idea for WvW...I really think you should submit it to Anet when the forums come back up. I know they're looking to add more small group/solo objectives....maybe those could be some? Stopping runners in the field is something WvW groups aren't doing well enough right now, and it contributes to the length of some seiges. That and idiots trying to zerg auto attack the walls without thinking.

3. blaancing on a per weapon baisis is not all that hard.

 

currently we have 19 wepons which from a balance standpoint (since they are all fixed) is not that many. and should be really easy to manage.  even if each class has their own setups of skills.  currently there is a total combination of 91 wepons.  a rather easy to deal with ammount of combo's  compaired to what MMO's usually have.

 

 

Its way more than you think though. Because a Warrior using a great sword is not the same as a mesmer using a greatsword, so you gotta really count this as 2 seperate weapons when it comes to balancing and expanded later down the line.

.. thats what the number 91 was.

  PalmyCloud

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8/07/12 11:29:03 AM#46

1. I kind of understand what you mean, but I did not know about deposit all collectibles during beta. I think I can handle bagspace once the game is released.

2. There are 2 classes that I do not like and I think which are boring. For my friends it is different, they do not like classes I like. I think we all have classes we like to skip. But as I am going to make a crafting class there is only need 1 class that I do not like;-)

3. Agree.

4. Agree.

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  cloud8521

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OP  8/07/12 11:30:06 AM#47
Originally posted by colddog04
Yeah, vials of blood and such can now be sent.

weird because last beta they would not when using the  send all button.  the last beta i got my hands more into crafting too

  BeansnBread

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8/07/12 11:34:38 AM#48
Originally posted by cloud8521
Originally posted by colddog04
Yeah, vials of blood and such can now be sent.

weird because last beta they would not when using the  send all button.  the last beta i got my hands more into crafting too

They did for me. It was the first time I recognized it. And it made me happy.

 

Perhaps you experienced a bug.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  cloud8521

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OP  8/07/12 11:43:45 AM#49
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by cloud8521
Originally posted by colddog04
Yeah, vials of blood and such can now be sent.

weird because last beta they would not when using the  send all button.  the last beta i got my hands more into crafting too

They did for me. It was the first time I recognized it. And it made me happy.

 

Perhaps you experienced a bug.

maybe. but  to have it all weekend long is a little odd

  yaoming36

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8/07/12 11:44:40 AM#50
Originally posted by Eir_S
Originally posted by yaoming36
Charr wear dresses. They didn't look nearly as badass as I had hoped/imagined

lol I never thought about it til now.

http://i.imgur.com/X9djW.jpg

 

Charr warriors shouldn't look like that!!!!

  terrant

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8/07/12 9:39:39 PM#51
Originally posted by cloud8521
Originally posted by terrant
Originally posted by cloud8521

1. Not any, lots of materials cant be sent like vials of blood .

2. Steal does not have the deapth i would like, being used to become a 1 use  attack is ok, but i dont feel like there is enough deapth there. Warrior's is also ok, but it feels like it just got a glorified extra attack. i dont know many people that will ever use it before it gets full, sure warrior gets the most weapons but that does not ammount to much  when you can only carry 2 at a time. Engineer is great, weapon packs as secondary skills is genius. Elementlist is fun with attunements ammounting to diffrent elements,  Guardian i cant say as i never got a chance wtih one. necro is just plain fun to play. mesmer with its shatter illusion looks cool but i never used it (but  was far too easy to avoid and see). Rangers jsut sucks.... but thats not because its design, i love the pet system i just dont like how it handles, the ai is a little bad the pet dies far to easily  (and is nearly uncontrolable).

so i guess i jsut feel like  warrior and theif need some looking at. (cant say much for guardian  and some others which i didnt get  much into yet) ranger just needs the pet system tweeked so the pert is A smarter or B easier to control.

 

3. i know what you mean here, but i would like to see variations inside the wepon types. such as if the weapon is on fire like the Firey Dragon sword it would have a diffrent skillset that matches its flame attribute.

 

4. the keeps thing was just the science i was throwing at the wall to show events can be put in more to enchance the gamemode more then disrupt it meaninglessly.

 

Edit:  ive been thinking it over.  and  upgrades can go past what you can pay for in WvWvW.  but this is still me throwing science

1. Vials absolutely can be. Any CRAFTED materials (like, if you turned some tin into the backplate for a shield) cannot. But the tin itself can be. Basically, once you work a material on the crafting table, it cannot be sent. The only other exception are certian rare pieces like Destroyer slivers.

2. I will agree 100% about Steal. I'd really love for it to replace your normal attack bar, like a bundle. I think it would work better.  warrior adrenaline isn't the most exciting mechanic in the world, since it's basically a mesh of combo points and rage bars. But it works at least.

3. I can see your point, but balancing all that crap...oh my god.

4. I like some of your idea for WvW...I really think you should submit it to Anet when the forums come back up. I know they're looking to add more small group/solo objectives....maybe those could be some? Stopping runners in the field is something WvW groups aren't doing well enough right now, and it contributes to the length of some seiges. That and idiots trying to zerg auto attack the walls without thinking.

3. blaancing on a per weapon baisis is not all that hard.

 

currently we have 19 wepons which from a balance standpoint (since they are all fixed) is not that many. and should be really easy to manage.  even if each class has their own setups of skills.  currently there is a total combination of 91 wepons.  a rather easy to deal with ammount of combo's  compaired to what MMO's usually have.

 

 

You are way off, I fear.

 

First, let's assume ONLY 4 classes can use teh new weapon, whatever it may be, You want new skills for that weapon so..let's just assume it's a mainhand 1h weapon. that's 3 new skills per class for most classes.. How do they synergize with oddhands? What about Thief, whose #3 abilities on mainhand changes based on offhand? What about Eles, who get 4 weapon skills to every 1 another player would?

 

What about traits? many traits are designed specially for certain weapons. Do we create new trait lines? Do we lump your new weapons in with the old ones? What is one of these new weapons is overpowered? Can we adjust that without gimping the entire profession?

 

Just adding 1 skill to each profession in this game alone could requires months of testing to make sure baalnce isn't thrown all to hell. And it probably will be anyway.

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