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  fivoroth

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8/05/12 1:23:19 PM#21
The only thing I didn't like about VG when I tried it was that no one was playing it. Hopefully it will be different now with the F2P launch.

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  GeezerGaz82

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8/05/12 1:36:36 PM#22
Originally posted by cronius77
Originally posted by InFlamestwo
Originally posted by GeezerGaz82
I've heard alot of positive things about this game, although not experienced it yet.  Trying out the 14 day trial tonight, so before the trail ends, the f2p will have kicked in.  I like an MMORPG with a lot of features and this game seems to be one of them.

WoW and GW2 is alot better. Played Vanguard for 12 months. (over 2 years time)


yeah with there restrictive free to play coming this game is going to flop hardcore and not bring in anyone but a few people wanting to give it a nostalga run for a few weeks. Majority of the mmorpg players out there will be playing other games or the ones they have been playing . SOE is just out of touch with anything close to reality these days and this game has always had a small playerbase for a long time as it is. The game while pretty good is also not the greatest tech and is pretty out of date from the last few years of neglect thanks to EQ2 and SOE. I wouldnt put faith that this game adds a third server ever or even is able to fill the two up there is now. WAY to many much better games are around now and do not cost a monthly fee or releasing pretty soon.

 

I'm a LOTRO and a WoW player mainly, although I didn't like EQ2 or GW1, but because of all the positive things about GW2 though, I'm definately going to give it a try one day.  To be honest though, I'm really looking forward to Elder Scrolls Online mostly.  I'm more of a subscribing player if I find a game fun enough, so I never judge a subscription based game on their restrictions for their trial because I know most of all trials or free to play games are demos of it's full version.

 
  Sovrath

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8/05/12 1:45:14 PM#23
Originally posted by csthao
Originally posted by Sovrath
The only thing I'm a bit "sad" about is the change in new player starting area. Completely understand why they did it but it is dissapointing.

Its sad they changed it this way.

An easier solution would be to just put a rift stone outside the starting city instead for easier travel.

 

I almost wonder if this is a case where the developers aren't quite on board with the player?

What I think they are doing is saying "hey, the modern mmo player wants x and y so let's adapt vangaurd to that forumula".

Whereas, I wonder if the better way would be to say "hey, there is an mmo player who wants huge world, open, different starter areas, etc, let's adapt vanguard to support that a little more".

I feel that the first group isn't going to be so forgiving with so many games out there that already offer "standard mmo play" whereas, there is a group out there who wants a different experience and they are willing to be a bit more forgiving in order to play a game that is not readily available.

  Theocritus

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8/05/12 1:50:54 PM#24
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by William12

Or sub for a month and make any class you want and unsub.   Once made you can still play them even after you sub ends.

you sure about that?  EQ2 does not work that way

      You have to sub before the game goes f2p to get that I believe, unlesss SOE changed their policy lately.

  User Deleted
8/05/12 1:54:36 PM#25
Grandfathering characters only works for those created before F2P like in EQ2. If you sub a month, make non-F2P race/class and then unsub it will get locked until you pay for the unlocks or resub. For people saying that they should have restrictions to force a sub, that's silly, they already have all the players that are willing to pay a sub. If they want more players they need to change it to a real F2P / micro transaction game and not the horrible hybrid model they currently use which alienates free players
  adam_nox

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Joined: 7/31/06
Posts: 2087

8/05/12 1:57:22 PM#26

it's sad when games that would have been good as f2p only do so years too late.

 

 

  TweFoju

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Joined: 6/27/09
Posts: 979

8/05/12 2:10:19 PM#27

i think it might be a bit too late, if they would have implemented this even last year, it would have made so much difference

they make this game go F2P just when TSW, GW2 and MoP is about to release

sad, this is / was probably my best MMO in the history of my MMO career

So What Now?

  benit59

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Joined: 9/24/04
Posts: 114

"If it ain't broke...hit it harder."

8/05/12 2:12:30 PM#28
If Vanguard reflects the other Sony F2P models...it will be another player wallet rape-fest. It is shocking to me what these companies can call "Free" and not be held accountable by their player base.
  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5341

8/05/12 2:16:39 PM#29
Originally posted by William12
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by William12

Or sub for a month and make any class you want and unsub.   Once made you can still play them even after you sub ends.

you sure about that?  EQ2 does not work that way

EQ does.  You have to get to a certain level in EQ.   Or you can sub now and make the class and play it some and when its f2p and your sub is up you can still play that character.   I have 10 inactive EQ accounts with level 90s of classes you cannot create with f2p and all of them let me play.

Nope it doesn't work that way! In EQ2 when you sub and create a restricted F2P class, after your sub ends you can no longer play that character unless you buy the class unlock!

Same will be for Vanguard, as it follows the craptastic EQ2 Hybrid F2P model.

Good luck! I am gonna avoid this like the plague. SOE just can't do anything right anymore these days. Just like how they sold us EU players out to a horrible Sat company. /shrug

  Vannor

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8/05/12 2:22:34 PM#30
Originally posted by InFlamestwo
Originally posted by William12
Originally posted by Asamof

'Removed Class Restrictions: We removed the class restrictions for all races. You can now create that special combination of character that you dreamed about making!'

only after you cough up some $$$ to unlock the rest of the games classes lol

Or sub for a month and make any class you want and unsub.   Once made you can still play them even after you sub ends.

That only applies if you had a character before the F2P transition.

Starting a free trail now and making all the classes you want might work...

  Vannor

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8/05/12 2:26:02 PM#31

Silverbarr also pointed out this thread to me on the official forum.

Everyone should check it out before commenting on the FTP model, because it is probably going to be changing:

http://forums.station.sony.com/vg/posts/list.m?&topic_id=57701

  DijonCyanide

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Joined: 10/21/03
Posts: 261

8/05/12 2:46:55 PM#32

 

  http://www.vanguardthegame.com is currently under maintenance so not much luck upon the more detailed information yet.  I too bought the Collector's edition & subscribed for awhile.  I do hope SOE doesn't constrict their F2P model on this game so much.  EQ & EQ2 were good games back in their day of subscription.  SOE's F2P, for me, subtracted more than enticed returning.  I don't mind offering some cash, if a decent value, while playing so I hope SOE has improved their F2P for Vanguard.

  Heretique

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Most of my posts get deleted.

8/05/12 2:50:27 PM#33
Wish Sony would rethink their F2P models to make it friendlier. Glad VG is going F2P though as it needs the boost.

Originally posted by salsa41
are you have problem ?

  stealthbr

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Joined: 5/07/06
Posts: 1059

8/05/12 2:59:46 PM#34
  • Starting Areas Revamp: New characters will now start one of the following starting areas: Cliffs of Ghelgad, Tanvu, Three Rivers Village, Tursh Village, or the Isle of Dawn.
  • Removed Class Restrictions: We removed the class restrictions for all races. You can now create that special combination of character that you dreamed about making!

Honestly, these are quite terrible changes. Class restrictions should exist for the sake of role-playing and immersion. Limiting the amount of starting areas takes away from what makes this game so special: it's diverse, huge, and interesting world. The sense of racial identity you get from playing in the original starting areas is an incredible feeling. Halflings live in hobbit-like villages, dwarves near freezing mountains, wood elves within nature itself, etc. I do agree that it separates the player-base for the world is indeed huge, but I believe the gains far outweigh such an issue.

  csthao

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Joined: 11/07/06
Posts: 1100

8/05/12 3:00:16 PM#35
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by csthao
Originally posted by Sovrath
The only thing I'm a bit "sad" about is the change in new player starting area. Completely understand why they did it but it is dissapointing.

Its sad they changed it this way.

An easier solution would be to just put a rift stone outside the starting city instead for easier travel.

 

I almost wonder if this is a case where the developers aren't quite on board with the player?

What I think they are doing is saying "hey, the modern mmo player wants x and y so let's adapt vangaurd to that forumula".

Whereas, I wonder if the better way would be to say "hey, there is an mmo player who wants huge world, open, different starter areas, etc, let's adapt vanguard to support that a little more".

I feel that the first group isn't going to be so forgiving with so many games out there that already offer "standard mmo play" whereas, there is a group out there who wants a different experience and they are willing to be a bit more forgiving in order to play a game that is not readily available.

That's true, but the more they change Vanguard, the more they take away what it's supposed to be. Having those racial starting cities is one of the best thing they had since the beginning. They should understand by now that their F2P move is just going to bring back players who've already tried the game and only a minimal amount of new players would give it a try due to the new MMO's coming out pretty soon.

Its hard to accomodate players old and new, but the ones that usually stay are the ones that tried it out already. I just hope they don't ruin what Vanguard is. Following the steps of the "popular mmo's" out there has already been proven that it doesn't work very well. Only time can tell.

  User Deleted
8/05/12 3:04:58 PM#36
Originally posted by Vannor
Originally posted by InFlamestwo
Originally posted by William12
Originally posted by Asamof

'Removed Class Restrictions: We removed the class restrictions for all races. You can now create that special combination of character that you dreamed about making!'

only after you cough up some $$$ to unlock the rest of the games classes lol

Or sub for a month and make any class you want and unsub.   Once made you can still play them even after you sub ends.

That only applies if you had a character before the F2P transition.

Starting a free trail now and making all the classes you want might work...

^^^ Although once they find out they may stop it.

  User Deleted
8/05/12 3:06:14 PM#37
Originally posted by csthao
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by csthao
Originally posted by Sovrath
The only thing I'm a bit "sad" about is the change in new player starting area. Completely understand why they did it but it is dissapointing.

Its sad they changed it this way.

An easier solution would be to just put a rift stone outside the starting city instead for easier travel.

 

I almost wonder if this is a case where the developers aren't quite on board with the player?

What I think they are doing is saying "hey, the modern mmo player wants x and y so let's adapt vangaurd to that forumula".

Whereas, I wonder if the better way would be to say "hey, there is an mmo player who wants huge world, open, different starter areas, etc, let's adapt vanguard to support that a little more".

I feel that the first group isn't going to be so forgiving with so many games out there that already offer "standard mmo play" whereas, there is a group out there who wants a different experience and they are willing to be a bit more forgiving in order to play a game that is not readily available.

That's true, but the more they change Vanguard, the more they take away what it's supposed to be. Having those racial starting cities is one of the best thing they had since the beginning. They should understand by now that their F2P move is just going to bring back players who've already tried the game and only a minimal amount of new players would give it a try due to the new MMO's coming out pretty soon.

Its hard to accomodate players old and new, but the ones that usually stay are the ones that tried it out already. I just hope they don't ruin what Vanguard is. Following the steps of the "popular mmo's" out there has already been proven that it doesn't work very well. Only time can tell.

 

You can expect instanced raids in any future patches.   Aslong as the instancing stays to raids only im fine with that.

  Razeekster

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8/05/12 3:12:05 PM#38
I can't do it... I mean it looks okay, but... GW2 looks better so I'll be playing that instead.

Smile

  LionShard

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8/05/12 3:14:18 PM#39
More like an ENDLESS TRIAL. With all the restrictions, that $O€ does with its so-called F2P games, the game won't get any attention.
  User Deleted
8/05/12 3:17:29 PM#40
Originally posted by Razeekster
I can't do it... I mean it looks okay, but... GW2 looks better so I'll be playing that instead.

 

Since one is B2P and the other is F2P, there's no reason you can't do both, with the added bonus of not burning out on one game.

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