Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by bcbully
Well after 50 pages, I think it's far to say that GW2's endgame is in question.

It was established quite a few pages ago that GW2 does have "end game" "progression" and those that want stat progression might not like it.

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by bcbully
Well after 50 pages, I think it's far to say that GW2's endgame is in question.

It was established quite a few pages ago that GW2 does have "end game" "progression" and those that want stat progression might not like it.

Well that can be argued and is. 

Some games give you vertical, horizontal, and cosmetic endgame progression.

Why does GW2 only give you cosmetic progression. Doesn't every game of the last 10 years give you cosmetic progression? 

Originally posted by bcbully
Well after 50 pages, I think it's far to say that GW2's endgame is in question.

Actually no, 90% of this thread is people proving that there is an endgame. The whole point of this thread was to determine if there is one, and there is so the point has been beaten to death. If you like it or not that is up to you. No, you don't have to have raids for end-game or an item grind just because some other games have it. There is no golden rules for gaming. Game developers can make games however they want and this is the way ArenaNet is choosing to do it. There is nothing wrong with coming up with new ideas and if people stop doing that then games will stop being fun. You don't like this game and flame it every chance you get --as evidenced by your post history-- so we know you have an agenda here.

Nothing will change the fact that probably 90% of the people in this thread who claim there won't be an endgame or the game won't have one that will hold them are still buying the game. It does not matter if someone keeps playing the game or not, or likes the end-game or not, they will already have purchased the game. There will be enough people to continue supporting the game's future development and expansions through microtransactions as there has been for years from people playing the original Guild Wars. /thread

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by bcbully
Well after 50 pages, I think it's far to say that GW2's endgame is in question.

It was established quite a few pages ago that GW2 does have "end game" "progression" and those that want stat progression might not like it.

I agree with this agreement.

And at this point the thread is simply going around in circles.

Originally posted by Celcius

Originally posted by bcbully
Well after 50 pages, I think it's far to say that GW2's endgame is in question.

Actually no, 90% of this thread is people proving that there is an endgame. The whole point of this thread was to determine if there is one, and there is so the point has been beaten to death. If you like it or not that is up to you. No, you don't have to have raids for end-game or an item grind just because some other games have it. There is no golden rules for gaming. Game developers can make games however they want and this is the way ArenaNet is choosing to do it. There is nothing wrong with coming up with new ideas and if people stop doing that then games will stop being fun. You don't like this game and flame it every chance you get --as evidenced by your post history-- so we know you have an agenda here.

Nothing will change the fact that probably 90% of the people in this thread who claim there won't be an endgame or the game won't have one that will hold them are still buying the game. It does not matter if someone keeps playing the game or not, or likes the end-game or not, they will already have purchased the game. There will be enough people to continue supporting the game's future development and expansions through microtransactions as there has been for years from people playing the original Guild Wars. /thread

Has there been a game in the past ten years where people have questioned if there is a endgame?

Even swtor had endgame without question. It was pretty bad, but it was there w/o question.

Originally posted by Bladestrom
And yet bc in this thread people are saying gw2 has no end game, the first themepark ever to have no end game, odd isn't it.

Well a lot of people in this thread have questioned if GW2 has endgame. You wouldn't deny that would you?

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Bladestrom
And yet bc in this thread people are saying gw2 has no end game, the first themepark ever to have no end game, odd isn't it.

Well a lot of people in this thread have questioned if GW2 has endgame. You wouldn't deny that would you?

Only the people that want stat progression have questioned it because they believe every game must be like WoW.

Originally posted by Bladestrom
And yet bc in this thread people are saying gw2 has no end game, the first themepark ever to have no end game, odd isn't it.

Yeah, the logic is just sad to be honest.

Because people question if this game has anything worth doing once you hit level 80, that means there is nothing worth doing once you hit level 80.

1. People ask if there is anything worth doing in GW2 at endgame.

2. A bunch of people list a bunch of things that they feel are worth doing.

3. Because people asked if there was anything worth doing, GW2 now becomes the first game ever to have a question asked about whether there is something worth doing.

Really, really stupid logic.

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Originally posted by terrant

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Originally posted by Xiaoki So, basically what you're saying is what Ive been saying.   You will have a "major, major advantage" when doing lower level content on a level 80 character. The only way you wouldnt have a "major, major advantage" is if they were to actually delevel you instead of downscaling you. Everything you have access to that a lower level character would not will give you an ever increasing advantage. As in, if you go to a level 28 zone you no longer have an Elite skill. Its not just stats its everything. The quality of the gear, sigils, jewels, rune bonuses, traits, stats from trait lines and anything else that a level 80 would have access to. All of it may seem minor when taken individually but cumulatively it becomes a "major, major advantage". A downscaling formula can mathematically reduce the advantage you have from a sword but it cant mathematically reduce the advantage you have from your trait skills. Such as - Inspiring Battle Standard - Banners also grant regeneration to allies. A level 30 and level 80 Warrior both have access to the same Banner skills but a level 30 Warrior doesnt have access to that.

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Tway I read your inital comments, you were basically saying there's no difference between a level 80 ngoing to a level 1 zone in GW2, and one doing so in WoW. There is.

 

1) Your HP and armor are dropped to where enemies can and will do significant damage to you.

2) Mob drops will be equivalent to your real level.

3) You will continue to earn XP like you normally would at a zone of your level.

 

Will it be extremely difficult? no. Can it still pose a challenge? You betcha. can an ettin 1-shot you if you're stupid and stand in front of it? yup.

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1 - like I said before, this is not the case. Unless you have information on the Live version of GW2 that no one else does this is wrong.

2 - same as 1. Never ever got a high level drop from a low level mob. I got a Fine quality level 2 weapon once.

3 - somewhat. Doing a DE at level 30 and getting a Gold and then going to a level 10 zone and getting a Gold doing a DE did not yield the same experience. Kinda close but not the same. Going to low level zones did earn quick exp because it was so easy to destroy the mobs(which is again counter to your first point).

My experiences in game do not match what you're saying at all. So unless you have something on the Live version differences then please do not lie to strengthen your point. There really is no reason for lying and it does not help the discussion at all.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Bladestrom
And yet bc in this thread people are saying gw2 has no end game, the first themepark ever to have no end game, odd isn't it.

Well a lot of people in this thread have questioned if GW2 has endgame. You wouldn't deny that would you?

Its funny this is the same guy who claimed that TSW had a good combat system. Can you take anything he says seriously?  I certainly can't. Any sub number or box number sales announcements yet? I am sure Funcom would love to announce those! Oh wait, sorry, the game is doing so terrible they won't. ArenaNet will announce sales probably within the first week because it will sell atleast twice as many copies of TSW sells in a lifetime that first week. It is obvious this guy is just trying to stick to his guns (World of Warcraft style item grind) and cannot comprehend that people can play games other then to increase the statistics of one of there characters. People like him are the reason MMORPGs are a joke as an E-sport and as a gaming genre. If you like item grinds, you can keep liking them thats cool, but don't just consider everyone elses opinion as being wrong just because you like something different. 

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Bladestrom
And yet bc in this thread people are saying gw2 has no end game, the first themepark ever to have no end game, odd isn't it.

Yeah, the logic is just sad to be honest.

 

Because people question if this game has anything worth doing once you hit level 80, that means there is nothing worth doing once you hit level 80.

 

 

1. People ask if there is anything worth doing in GW2 at endgame.

2. A bunch of people list a bunch of things that they feel are worth doing.

3. Because people asked if there was anything worth doing, GW2 now becomes the first game ever to have a question asked about whether there is something worth doing.

 

 

Really, really stupid logic.

 

 

No it may be the first that people have questioned if an endgame exist. 

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Bladestrom
And yet bc in this thread people are saying gw2 has no end game, the first themepark ever to have no end game, odd isn't it.

Well a lot of people in this thread have questioned if GW2 has endgame. You wouldn't deny that would you?

A lot have questioned it, but you have to wonder at their motives for doing so. It's obvious that GW2 engame is built differently, being horizontal instead of vertical. It's also obvious that it has the potential to have significantly more endgame than, say, WoW currently does.

Yeah, I went there. I guess I should explain my thoughts behind that.

What endgame does WoW actually have? There arena PvP, and there's one raid. I haven't played WoW since pre-Cataclysm, but that's all I recall of WoW endgame. arena PvP and one raid, whatever the latest raid is at the time. Every new raid obsoletes all prior raids due to gear power curve progression.

From what we know in GW2, all dungeons (especially explorer mode) will be challenging at end game, Orr is supposed to be a beast in and of itself (to be seen), competitive PvP will of course be there as well as WvW, there will be legendaries that take you around the world and require considerable effort to obtain... it sounds to me that, by cutting out the power curve gear grind, GW2 will actually have greater available endgame than a game like WoW.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Bladestrom
And yet bc in this thread people are saying gw2 has no end game, the first themepark ever to have no end game, odd isn't it.

Yeah, the logic is just sad to be honest.

 

Because people question if this game has anything worth doing once you hit level 80, that means there is nothing worth doing once you hit level 80.

 

1. People ask if there is anything worth doing in GW2 at endgame.

2. A bunch of people list a bunch of things that they feel are worth doing.

3. Because people asked if there was anything worth doing, GW2 now becomes the first game ever to have a question asked about whether there is something worth doing.

 

Really, really stupid logic.

No it may be the first that people have questioned if an endgame exist. 

Which is even more retarded. Obviously endgame exists in GW2. Endgame being defined by what you do at max level.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Bladestrom
And yet bc in this thread people are saying gw2 has no end game, the first themepark ever to have no end game, odd isn't it.

Yeah, the logic is just sad to be honest.

 

Because people question if this game has anything worth doing once you hit level 80, that means there is nothing worth doing once you hit level 80.

 

 

1. People ask if there is anything worth doing in GW2 at endgame.

2. A bunch of people list a bunch of things that they feel are worth doing.

3. Because people asked if there was anything worth doing, GW2 now becomes the first game ever to have a question asked about whether there is something worth doing.

 

 

Really, really stupid logic.

 

 

No it may be the first that people have questioned if an endgame exist. 

TSW has no end game. Oh wait, it might, but I question if it does at all cause I consider having done everything one time the end of the game. Since TSW has you doing the same dungeons over and over once you are QL10 or so I don't count that as end game cause I don't consider advancing the stats of your character progression, personally. That is just heresay.