Originally posted by Derpybird

What I do find odd are the people who know what GW2 is and yet still go into the forums and complain about the fact that it's not the way they want it to be, or that they'll play it but will only do so grudgingly but are sure to leave. Or worse, that they haven't played it but are somehow experts on it so they can tell you assuredly why it's bad.

 

You'll find this happens in every MMORPG forum.  This website used to be somewhat decent, but the current topics are either hype or hate threads.  No conversation there.

Originally posted by clumsytoes44
*Sarcasm* After reading all of the hate spewed at GW2, I have realized the game is utter crap. So I will now cancel my pre-purchase of GW2 and rush to get a pre-order/purchase of MoP. *End sarcasm*

You saw the light!

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by baphamet

people that play rpg's pr mmorpg's care about progression, its why they play the game.

you guys are so fixated on "stat" progression, i am not saying the game has to be focused around that at end game.

you play the game from level 1-80 with your character advancing in power with each level and then abruptly stops.

there is no endgame progressions, whether it be stats or anything els, just cosmetic.

i don't find that very viable for the health of a game long term.

You don't, however, lots of GW1 players do. You can argue all you want but the facts are the GW1 has sold ~7 million copies while having a mostly cosmetic endgame.

Those numbers are misleading. That is 7 million total copies to include all of the expansions. That doesn't mean individual accounts or active users. That is 7 million boxes over 7 or eight years with a lot of those being three or four boxes on the same account. That isn't to say that it wasn't moderately successful, but not as successful as you make it appear to be. In comparison WoW would have like 70 or 100  million if we used the numbers like you are.

The numbers ultimately don't matter. We can take that 7 million and divide it by 4 (3 campaigns and 1 explansion) and we'll get 1,750,000, which is still a lot of people who enjoyed GW1's mostly cosmetic endgame.

And how many of those people stayed around? Again you state another number that holds no meaning to your argument. I am sure that not even close to 1.75 million stuck around. 

The same can be said about any other game. WoW has 9 million accounts but how many of those accounts are actually playing? I know quite a few people who purchased that 12 month thing to get Diablo III and the mount.

The fact is that GW1 was entertaining enough to sell 7 million copies and sell that many, ArenaNet has to be doing something right.

Boxes =/= equal active accounts.

If it was a bad game, it would not have sold 7 million copies. It doesn't matter how many active accounts there are. To sell that many copies indicates that the game is good enough to continue selling strong after existing for 7 years.

Originally posted by Derpybird

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

A lot of people will also stick to GW2 just so they don't need to admit they were wrong.

I.E the case Star Wars: The Old Republic.

And TSW.

Nah 1 month in 14 days /played ability wheel at 50% and haven't did any of the stories or investigations. The best part 10/20 man raids Aug. 31st. Might get Aux. weapons too. So much to do in TSW atm.

You might tell that to all the people who are posting that they're not renewing.

Can't win them all :) So many people on this weekend severs needed a restart. Looks like TSW will replace they few from this forum who unsub :)

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Derpybird

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

A lot of people will also stick to GW2 just so they don't need to admit they were wrong.

I.E the case Star Wars: The Old Republic.

And TSW.

Nah 1 month in 14 days /played ability wheel at 50% and haven't did any of the stories or investigations. The best part 10/20 man raids Aug. 31st. Might get Aux. weapons too. So much to do in TSW atm.

You might tell that to all the people who are posting that they're not renewing.

Can't win them all :) So many people on this weekend severs needed a restart. Looks like TSW will replace they few from this forum who unsub :)

You sure that wasn't for a bug fix?

Originally posted by heartless

The same can be said about any other game. WoW has 9 million accounts but how many of those accounts are actually playing? I know quite a few people who purchased that 12 month thing to get Diablo III and the mount.

The fact is that GW1 was entertaining enough to sell 7 million copies and sell that many, ArenaNet has to be doing something right.

Boxes =/= equal active accounts.

If it was a bad game, it would not have sold 7 million copies. It doesn't matter how many active accounts there are. To sell that many copies indicates that the game is good enough to continue selling strong after existing for 7 years.

No problem with that statment. They number of people who played the game at one point in time is probably closer to 1.5 million than 7 though.

Originally posted by Derpybird

Originally posted by clumsytoes44
*Sarcasm* After reading all of the hate spewed at GW2, I have realized the game is utter crap. So I will now cancel my pre-purchase of GW2 and rush to get a pre-order/purchase of MoP. *End sarcasm*

You saw the light!

Then I turned it off, too save power of course. :P

Originally posted by Derpybird

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by Derpybird

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

A lot of people will also stick to GW2 just so they don't need to admit they were wrong.

I.E the case Star Wars: The Old Republic.

And TSW.

Nah 1 month in 14 days /played ability wheel at 50% and haven't did any of the stories or investigations. The best part 10/20 man raids Aug. 31st. Might get Aux. weapons too. So much to do in TSW atm.

You might tell that to all the people who are posting that they're not renewing.

Can't win them all :) So many people on this weekend severs needed a restart. Looks like TSW will replace they few from this forum who unsub :)

You sure that wasn't for a bug fix?

Might have been to lay the ground work for more endgame progression, but hey this is not about TSW. 

Let's stay on topic.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

A lot of people will also stick to GW2 just so they don't need to admit they were wrong.

I.E the case Star Wars: The Old Republic.

And TSW.

Nah 1 month in 14 days /played ability wheel at 50% and haven't did any of the stories or investigations. The best part 10/20 man raids Aug. 31st. Might get Aux. weapons too. So much to do in TSW atm.

14 days /played and wheel only at 50%? And you haven't done any story and investigations? I had 37% at 4 days /played.

Maybe someone who has not played TSW will believe you about how much content there really is. For some who has played it, your comment is laughable. I "beat" the game after about 5 days played. What was left was running the same 2 instances, grind zergy PvP or rerun the same quests in Transilvania to get more SP/AP, which I wasn't going to do.

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

The same can be said about any other game. WoW has 9 million accounts but how many of those accounts are actually playing? I know quite a few people who purchased that 12 month thing to get Diablo III and the mount.

The fact is that GW1 was entertaining enough to sell 7 million copies and sell that many, ArenaNet has to be doing something right.

Boxes =/= equal active accounts.

If it was a bad game, it would not have sold 7 million copies. It doesn't matter how many active accounts there are. To sell that many copies indicates that the game is good enough to continue selling strong after existing for 7 years.

No problem with that statment. They number of people who played the game at one point in time is probably closer to 1.5 million than 7 though.

Doubt it but whatever. It doesn't matter. Even 1.5 million is still a pretty good number of people who enjoy GW1's mostly cosmetic approach.

The whole game is endgame!!!!!!

Imho the best singular aspect to PVE that Anet made for GW2 is downscaling your level. So effectively no content becomes irrelevant. Also Orr sound's to be very difficult and fun. Also the legendary weapon chasing will be fun, although i can't see my charr ranger with the unicorn bow that fart's rainbow's out of it's arse. Then you have both WvWvW and SPVP. For a 60$ price tag GW2 really does have alot to offer.

And no I personally don't believe GW2 is the best thing since sliced bread. But it does present thing's in a way that appeal's to me.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

A lot of people will also stick to GW2 just so they don't need to admit they were wrong.

I.E the case Star Wars: The Old Republic.

And TSW.

Nah 1 month in 14 days /played ability wheel at 50% and haven't did any of the stories or investigations. The best part 10/20 man raids Aug. 31st. Might get Aux. weapons too. So much to do in TSW atm.

14 days /played and wheel only at 50%? And you haven't done any story and investigations? I had 37% at 4 days /played.

Maybe someone who has not played TSW will believe you about how much content there really is. For some who has played it, your comment is laughable. I "beat" the game after about 5 days played. What was left was running the same 2 instances, grind zergy PvP or rerun the same quests in Transilvania to get more SP/AP, which I wasn't going to do.

http://chronicle.thesecretworld.com/character/Chopsticks

I will accept you apology when you give it.  I will not respond to anything else about TSW. This is about GW2. 

whats the point of playing if you feel your character isnt getting stronger?

I will say one thing about the down-scaling thing and people that feel like that adds so much to end-game. City of Heroes has had that for ages and it never really encouraged people to go back and redo things. Once you've done it once, it really loses its appeal.

People will redo something if they need to or if they will get something out of it - In City of Heroes people redid one downscaled lower level dungeon only because it was one of the best ways to get a respec for your character.

Originally posted by trillgod

whats the point of playing if you feel your character isnt getting stronger?

What's the point of getting stronger if in the end it will be obsolete by the next patch?