Trending Games | Star Wars: The Old Republic | Elder Scrolls Online | ArcheAge | Marvel Heroes

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,921,848 Users Online:0
Games:760  Posts:6,314,613
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Angry Birds Epic Anime Ninja Anime Pirates Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Ascend: Hand of Kul Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Boot Hill Heroes Borderlands 2 Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel Bound by Flame Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Bravada Bravely Default Bravely Second Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Cast & Conquer Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Child of Light Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Cyberpunk 2077 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark Souls 2 Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Dead Island Dead Island 2 Dead Island: Riptide Deco Online Deep Down Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Divinity: Original Sin Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Age: Inquisition Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Fin Soup Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Drakengard 3 Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dungeon of the Endless Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout 4 Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Fearless Fantasy Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy Type-0 HD Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken Uprising Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Heart Forth Alicia Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes & Legends: Conquerors of Kolhar Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Atlan Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings Era Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online Kyn L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Redemption LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Grimrock 2 Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Lichdom: Battlemage Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lords of the Fallen Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance Mass Effect 4 MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms Might & Magic X: Legacy MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Moonrise Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mythborne Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Oort Online Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Overwatch Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Persona V Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pillars of Eternity Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints Pokémon X and Y PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Prodigy Project Blackout Project Gorgon Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Project Zomboid Puzzle Pirates Quest for Infamy Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rail Nation Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of Sierra Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Rebel Galaxy Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Risen 3: Titan Lords Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sacred 3 Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Chance Heroes Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow Realms Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowgate Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian South Park: The Stick of Truth Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Conflict Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Starbound Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Stormthrone Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Styx: Master of Shadows Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online TUG Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Terraria Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Banner Saga The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Epic Might The Hammers End The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing 2 The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Torment: Tides of Numenera Total Domination Transformers Universe Transistor Transverse Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Triad Wars Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Warflare Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune Wasteland 2 WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warriors World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenoblade Chronicles: X Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

The Pub at MMORPG.COM  » F2P: You Don't Want This

5 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 » Search
84 posts found
  Warley

Novice Member

Joined: 2/23/12
Posts: 150

 
OP  8/01/12 7:28:07 PM#1

You want to know why companies are pushing F2P so hard?  It's not that the F2P model is superior - for the customer.  It's so taht they can combine a subscription model with the F2P, but give players the illusion that they have options.   Sure, you have options -technically- because you don't have to play all the content offered.  In fact, you have even more options after you fork over the monthly subscription; like PAYING EVEN MORE to unlock content.

Here's some truth about SOE, and the other big companies; they're in it to MAKE MONEY,  AS MUCH AS THEY CAN, AT THE LOWEST COST TO THEM THAT THEY CAN.  So, here's the whole reason why they're so heavily shoving F2P down our throats.  Once all games adapt to the business model, only then will you see the true nature of the beast.   Take a moment and play some games like Perfect World (or the plethora of other Asian junk).  Try to level up past 15 or 20 without paying a dime, then watch and see how many options you have for enjoying that game.  That doesn't even get into the worse part about those games;  their world is absolutely dull and lifeless.

You think SWTOR was lifeless, wait until you get a load of the next-generation of F2P MMORPG's.   But, go ahead and allow the viral marketing (paid for forum posts, game site articles, and blog posts/comments) to engineer your thinking that F2P somehow brings more value to the player than a subscription model.    They're salvating at the fact that they'll ultimately get people to fully accept F2P models, and yet, maintain a form of subscription on top of it knowing that people will eventually accept the double dip business model as 'superior'.

Also, enjoy the time when you'll only truly ever be able to compete in future MMORPG's after you bought the $100 swords and $150 armor from the item shop; because F2P brings so much more value and options than subscriptions.

  Kuppa

Novice Member

Joined: 9/24/10
Posts: 3443

The problem with censorship is ********

8/01/12 7:42:26 PM#2
LoL is f2p. I know it's not an MMO but is the f2p game I have the most exp with. It's not the doom and gloom picture you're painting there.


  blognorg

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 2/25/11
Posts: 650

8/01/12 7:42:39 PM#3

Companies aren't pushing F2P; the people chose it. Most people don't want a sub fee anymore. Companies are merely adapting. And yes, big surprise, companies like to make a profit... all of them... all the time... ever. Who in the right mind wants to lose money?

 

Free to play can be great. The people will determine the right way to do it, becasue if it's done poorly it won't be successful. Not many people like P2W or heavy resitictions, and companies that employ those models won't make money. F2P gives the power back to the players. Cheap, low quality games with bad payment models won't survive. They have only been able to exist in the past because the AAA market hasn't really reached F2P yet. But once it does, cheap P2W games will be a thing of the past because there will be a better, high-quality alternative.

 

When games like Firefall, Planetside 2, Dust 514 and GW2 (not tachincally F2P, but still not monthly fee) land, people won't have to sub for a triple-A experience anymore. More companies will follow suit, and eventually all of the cheap games will die off, leaving fewer, but higher-quality games. With the market less saturated, hopefully we'll start seeing some newer ideas come to fruition. Honestly, I'd be surpirsed if Blizzard's new Titan will be sub-based.

  Kuppa

Novice Member

Joined: 9/24/10
Posts: 3443

The problem with censorship is ********

8/01/12 7:44:27 PM#4
LoL is f2p. I know it's not an MMO but is the f2p game I have the most exp with. It's not the doom and gloom picture you're painting there.

I've played it for a long time and haven't spent a dime. I can still be competitive and enjoy all the content. F2p is not evil, it just needs to be done right.


  Kuppa

Novice Member

Joined: 9/24/10
Posts: 3443

The problem with censorship is ********

8/01/12 7:45:13 PM#5
Sorry about double post. Using the phone.


  Warley

Novice Member

Joined: 2/23/12
Posts: 150

 
OP  8/01/12 7:46:17 PM#6
Originally posted by Kuppa
LoL is f2p. I know it's not an MMO but is the f2p game I have the most exp with. It's not the doom and gloom picture you're painting there.

LoL was originally launched as a P2P.  Wait until games no longer launch as P2P games; you won't have another LoTRO.  LoTRO blows pretty much all MMORPG's that launched as F2P games out of the water; again, because it was released as a P2P game.

If you like Free Realms you're going to love the F2P future.  If you don't like Free Realms, you're going to hate the F2P future.

  Warley

Novice Member

Joined: 2/23/12
Posts: 150

 
OP  8/01/12 7:47:47 PM#7
Originally posted by blognorg

Companies aren't pushing F2P; the people chose it. Most people don't want a sub fee anymore. Companies are merely adapting. And yes, big surprise, companies like to make a profit... all of them... all the time... ever. Who in the right mind wants to lose money?

 

Free to play can be great. The people will determine the right way to do it, becasue if it's done poorly it won't be successful. Not many people like P2W or heavy resitictions, and companies that employ those models won't make money. F2P gives the power back to the players. Cheap, low quality games with bad payment models won't survive. They have only been able to exist in the past because the AAA market hasn't really reached F2P yet. But once it does, cheap P2W games will be a thing of the past because there will be a better, high-quality alternative.

 

When games like Firefall, Planetside 2, Dust 514 and GW2 (not tachincally F2P, but still not monthly fee) land, people won't have to sub for a triple-A experience anymore. More companies will follow suit, and eventually all of the cheap games will die off, leaving fewer, but higher-quality games. With the market less saturated, hopefully we'll start seeing some newer ideas come to fruition. Honestly, I'd be surpirsed if Blizzard's new Titan will be sub-based.

With that, comes the double or triple amount of money you have to pay to compete compared to a subscription model (that you pay around $0.02 an hour for, without paying another dime for the rest of the content).

 

  Warley

Novice Member

Joined: 2/23/12
Posts: 150

 
OP  8/01/12 7:51:23 PM#8

Plus, people won't decide, anything.  Companies will just use deceptive marketing (paid forum posters, etc), and push it down our throats how that $100 sword, $20 dungeon, or $5 xp potion are of great value.  It's called nickle & diming, but making you think that you're getting the last laugh because of the 'high value' you seen these items have by forum posters that mostly consist of blind sheep or paid shills.

  blognorg

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 2/25/11
Posts: 650

8/01/12 7:53:34 PM#9
Originally posted by Warley
Originally posted by blognorg

Companies aren't pushing F2P; the people chose it. Most people don't want a sub fee anymore. Companies are merely adapting. And yes, big surprise, companies like to make a profit... all of them... all the time... ever. Who in the right mind wants to lose money?

 

Free to play can be great. The people will determine the right way to do it, becasue if it's done poorly it won't be successful. Not many people like P2W or heavy resitictions, and companies that employ those models won't make money. F2P gives the power back to the players. Cheap, low quality games with bad payment models won't survive. They have only been able to exist in the past because the AAA market hasn't really reached F2P yet. But once it does, cheap P2W games will be a thing of the past because there will be a better, high-quality alternative.

 

When games like Firefall, Planetside 2, Dust 514 and GW2 (not tachincally F2P, but still not monthly fee) land, people won't have to sub for a triple-A experience anymore. More companies will follow suit, and eventually all of the cheap games will die off, leaving fewer, but higher-quality games. With the market less saturated, hopefully we'll start seeing some newer ideas come to fruition. Honestly, I'd be surpirsed if Blizzard's new Titan will be sub-based.

With that, comes the double or triple amount of money you have to pay to compete compared to a subscription model (that you pay around $0.02 an hour for, without paying another dime for the rest of the content).

 

None of the games I listed are P2W. It has such a neagative stigma that no company would have a P2W model. Every interview I see about a new game stresses over and over that you can't pay for power. No, that's not the future of any successful game, sorry.

  Loktofeit

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 12406

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ArcheAge, and Combat Arms

8/01/12 7:58:28 PM#10
Originally posted by Warley

You want to know why companies are pushing F2P so hard?  It's not that the F2P model is superior - for the customer.  It's so taht they can combine a subscription model with the F2P, but give players the illusion that they have options.   Sure, you have options -technically- because you don't have to play all the content offered.  In fact, you have even more options after you fork over the monthly subscription; like PAYING EVEN MORE to unlock content.

Here's some truth about SOE, and the other big companies; they're in it to MAKE MONEY,  AS MUCH AS THEY CAN, AT THE LOWEST COST TO THEM THAT THEY CAN.  So, here's the whole reason why they're so heavily shoving F2P down our throats.  Once all games adapt to the business model, only then will you see the true nature of the beast.   Take a moment and play some games like Perfect World (or the plethora of other Asian junk).  Try to level up past 15 or 20 without paying a dime, then watch and see how many options you have for enjoying that game.  That doesn't even get into the worse part about those games;  their world is absolutely dull and lifeless.

You think SWTOR was lifeless, wait until you get a load of the next-generation of F2P MMORPG's.   But, go ahead and allow the viral marketing (paid for forum posts, game site articles, and blog posts/comments) to engineer your thinking that F2P somehow brings more value to the player than a subscription model.    They're salvating at the fact that they'll ultimately get people to fully accept F2P models, and yet, maintain a form of subscription on top of it knowing that people will eventually accept the double dip business model as 'superior'.

Also, enjoy the time when you'll only truly ever be able to compete in future MMORPG's after you bought the $100 swords and $150 armor from the item shop; because F2P brings so much more value and options than subscriptions.

It's like a big steamy bowl of talking point soup made from a rich base of misinformation and rage.

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  chakalaka

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/01/10
Posts: 261

The thing is... you're important to a lot of people.

8/01/12 8:06:40 PM#11

I really don't see the problem either way... the people who are willing to pay the average of $15 a month don't really think about it too often because, I mean look at it this way, going to a movie nowadays just with yourself costs around $10-$15. And that's for one nights entertainment. Hell I don't have any money but I know that when I log into say TSW for about 4-8 hours a day (more on the weekends) I know I'm getting my monies worth. Please, it doesn't matter.

  Kelvrek

Novice Member

Joined: 5/23/10
Posts: 86

8/01/12 8:17:53 PM#12

I've played Lotro, CoH, STO, and WoT as Freemium games, and I haven't seen where I could buy an all-powerful weapon or armor like you describe.  I have spent less money on Freemium games than I did on sub games, so I think it is a deal for my style of play.  Most casual gamers make out better with Freemium games, and more active players can still sub and have the same content they have in sub games.  The switch to Freemium has reinvigorated several flagging games.  I see it as a natural part of an MMO's life cycle:  P2P at launch for early adapters.  These players buy the boxes and pay subs to recoup dev costs.  When the pop falls, retool as Freemium to draw in new players or perhaps bring back old players who left.  The time as a Freemium game is almost pure profit.  When that fails, shut down the servers and concentrate on other product lines.  It's no big deal.  Just business.  No one is being forced to spend money on games.  If you don't like the products or think they want too much money for it, then spend your hard-earned dollars where you feel you will get the most value.  Complaining about life may make you feel better, but it is highly unlikely to change anything.  By the way, I don't think P2P will ever totally disappear.  Lots of people like that system of payment, and I'm sure there will be plenty of companies willing to serve that part of the population.

  User Deleted
8/01/12 8:53:13 PM#13
Originally posted by Kelvrek

I've played Lotro, CoH, STO, and WoT as Freemium games, and I haven't seen where I could buy an all-powerful weapon or armor like you describe.  I have spent less money on Freemium games than I did on sub games, so I think it is a deal for my style of play.  Most casual gamers make out better with Freemium games, and more active players can still sub and have the same content they have in sub games.  The switch to Freemium has reinvigorated several flagging games.  I see it as a natural part of an MMO's life cycle:  P2P at launch for early adapters.  These players buy the boxes and pay subs to recoup dev costs.  When the pop falls, retool as Freemium to draw in new players or perhaps bring back old players who left.  The time as a Freemium game is almost pure profit.  When that fails, shut down the servers and concentrate on other product lines.  It's no big deal.  Just business.  No one is being forced to spend money on games.  If you don't like the products or think they want too much money for it, then spend your hard-earned dollars where you feel you will get the most value.  Complaining about life may make you feel better, but it is highly unlikely to change anything.  By the way, I don't think P2P will ever totally disappear.  Lots of people like that system of payment, and I'm sure there will be plenty of companies willing to serve that part of the population.

Because those were p2p games by design.  They had to shoe horn in the f2p model by adding, like STO crap like lock boxes where you need to pay for a key to open it and get the loot.

All the real f2p games...games where the entire content is free, and are designed as such...either have programmed in fustrations that the cash shop resolves or straight up advantages. 

The joke with f2p games is that its cheap to level up but far more expensive at endgame than a p2p game is.  They want F2P because they CAN make more money, its a sucker game...they get you to compete with some guy who spends $1000+ and its a race to see who spends the most to stay on top...thats the dream envisioned when they make a f2p game...how can we get the competative players to fight with their wallets for supremacy....

F2P is fine if you dont like endgame or dont care to compete, but if you want a level play field, a game without programmed fustrations and have access to it all just like everyone else, nothing beats a high quality p2p game...especially long term.

  gaeanprayer

Novice Member

Joined: 8/06/08
Posts: 2360

8/01/12 9:04:58 PM#14
Originally posted by BigRock411
Originally posted by Kelvrek

I've played Lotro, CoH, STO, and WoT as Freemium games, and I haven't seen where I could buy an all-powerful weapon or armor like you describe.  I have spent less money on Freemium games than I did on sub games, so I think it is a deal for my style of play.  Most casual gamers make out better with Freemium games, and more active players can still sub and have the same content they have in sub games.  The switch to Freemium has reinvigorated several flagging games.  I see it as a natural part of an MMO's life cycle:  P2P at launch for early adapters.  These players buy the boxes and pay subs to recoup dev costs.  When the pop falls, retool as Freemium to draw in new players or perhaps bring back old players who left.  The time as a Freemium game is almost pure profit.  When that fails, shut down the servers and concentrate on other product lines.  It's no big deal.  Just business.  No one is being forced to spend money on games.  If you don't like the products or think they want too much money for it, then spend your hard-earned dollars where you feel you will get the most value.  Complaining about life may make you feel better, but it is highly unlikely to change anything.  By the way, I don't think P2P will ever totally disappear.  Lots of people like that system of payment, and I'm sure there will be plenty of companies willing to serve that part of the population.

Because those were p2p games by design.  They had to shoe horn in the f2p model by adding, like STO crap like lock boxes where you need to pay for a key to open it and get the loot.

All the real f2p games...games where the entire content is free, and are designed as such...either have programmed in fustrations that the cash shop resolves or straight up advantages. 

The joke with f2p games is that its cheap to level up but far more expensive at endgame than a p2p game is.  They want F2P because they CAN make more money, its a sucker game...they get you to compete with some guy who spends $1000+ and its a race to see who spends the most to stay on top...thats the dream envisioned when they make a f2p game...how can we get the competative players to fight with their wallets for supremacy....

F2P is fine if you dont like endgame or dont care to compete, but if you want a level play field, a game without programmed fustrations and have access to it all just like everyone else, nothing beats a high quality p2p game...especially long term.

C9, Dragon Nest, DFO, Vindictus, Hunter Blade, Eden Eternal, Cabal, FlyFF, Grand Fantasia, Rusty Hearts...all games launched as F2P that I've played to endgame without ever spending a dime, except for DN where I bought a costume just because I enjoyed the game that much. By the time I bought it I'd been playing it consistantly for 4 months, full costume was $20. 

There are plenty others, I just either got bored of them before endgame or they're not actually launched, yet. 

There are some F2P games that are P2W. But what some games do doesn't mean all games will do it, too. That should go without saying.

"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."

  laokoko

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/14/09
Posts: 1937

8/01/12 9:21:17 PM#15

I played some prety horrible cash shop game.  Paid like 100$ a month.  But for games such as LOTRO, DDO, etc, you have to pay more than 15$ a month to compete?  I think that's my question.  Since the people kind of paid a sub already, I'm pretty surprise they need to pay more.

  blognorg

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 2/25/11
Posts: 650

8/01/12 10:07:35 PM#16


Originally posted by Warley Plus, people won't decide, anything.  Companies will just use deceptive marketing (paid forum posters, etc), and push it down our throats how that $100 sword, $20 dungeon, or $5 xp potion are of great value.  It's called nickle & diming, but making you think that you're getting the last laugh because of the 'high value' you seen these items have by forum posters that mostly consist of blind sheep or paid shills.

This is highly unlikely. P2W has a very negative association; no AAA game company would shoot themselves in the foot like that. As I mentioned, pretty much all the devs of upcoming games have made explicit mention of the cash shops not being P2W.


Neverwinter

RaiderZ

Firefall

Planetside 2

It's possible that they could be lying, but it's clear that they're aware that P2W is bad. If they launch as a P2W, then they'll get eaten alive. I think the stigma of old F2P games needs to die... and it is to a degree. I used to be fairly anti-F2P, but I started noticing a change in the trend. I think that the model will improve end become good for players and developers alike.

  Warley

Novice Member

Joined: 2/23/12
Posts: 150

 
OP  8/01/12 10:18:02 PM#17
Originally posted by blognorg

 


Originally posted by Warley Plus, people won't decide, anything.  Companies will just use deceptive marketing (paid forum posters, etc), and push it down our throats how that $100 sword, $20 dungeon, or $5 xp potion are of great value.  It's called nickle & diming, but making you think that you're getting the last laugh because of the 'high value' you seen these items have by forum posters that mostly consist of blind sheep or paid shills.

 

This is highly unlikely. P2W has a very negative association; no AAA game company would shoot themselves in the foot like that. As I mentioned, pretty much all the devs of upcoming games have made explicit mention of the cash shops not being P2W.


Neverwinter

RaiderZ

Firefall

Planetside 2

It's possible that they could be lying, but it's clear that they're aware that P2W is bad. If they launch as a P2W, then they'll get eaten alive. I think the stigma of old F2P games needs to die... and it is to a degree. I used to be fairly anti-F2P, but I started noticing a change in the trend. I think that the model will improve end become good for players and developers alike.

For now...  once enough people 'accept f2p', then it becomes 'some advantage', then 'bigger advantage', and before we know it, you have to spend 100+ a month just to compete.  IT WILL HAPPEN.  That's the natural progression based upon the 'need' of corporations to 'MAKE MORE MONEY'.

  Freyas

Novice Member

Joined: 3/16/11
Posts: 32

8/01/12 10:32:26 PM#18
Originally posted by Warley
Originally posted by Kuppa
LoL is f2p. I know it's not an MMO but is the f2p game I have the most exp with. It's not the doom and gloom picture you're painting there.

LoL was originally launched as a P2P.  Wait until games no longer launch as P2P games; you won't have another LoTRO.  LoTRO blows pretty much all MMORPG's that launched as F2P games out of the water; again, because it was released as a P2P game.

If you like Free Realms you're going to love the F2P future.  If you don't like Free Realms, you're going to hate the F2P future.

This is incorrect- LoL has always been F2P, which is one of the reasons it became the massive hit that it is.  LoL's success with it's non P2W microtransaction model also makes me wonder why everyone always assumes that new F2P games will model their pay structure around small low-quality asian games- why would any self-respecting developer ignore the biggest, most successful F2P game and base their revenue stream and jobs by basing their game on low-quality asian knock-offs instead?

The P2W low-quality MMO's have kept afloat because they don't have any quality competition in the F2P space.  Since quality MMO's take a long time to make, it's taken some time for companies to identify the demand and make a high-quality F2P MMO without offensive microtransactions, but we're seeing a lot of games coming up that look like they may fill this niche.

  blognorg

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 2/25/11
Posts: 650

8/01/12 11:07:42 PM#19
Originally posted by Warley
Originally posted by blognorg

 


Originally posted by Warley Plus, people won't decide, anything.  Companies will just use deceptive marketing (paid forum posters, etc), and push it down our throats how that $100 sword, $20 dungeon, or $5 xp potion are of great value.  It's called nickle & diming, but making you think that you're getting the last laugh because of the 'high value' you seen these items have by forum posters that mostly consist of blind sheep or paid shills.

 

This is highly unlikely. P2W has a very negative association; no AAA game company would shoot themselves in the foot like that. As I mentioned, pretty much all the devs of upcoming games have made explicit mention of the cash shops not being P2W.


Neverwinter

RaiderZ

Firefall

Planetside 2

It's possible that they could be lying, but it's clear that they're aware that P2W is bad. If they launch as a P2W, then they'll get eaten alive. I think the stigma of old F2P games needs to die... and it is to a degree. I used to be fairly anti-F2P, but I started noticing a change in the trend. I think that the model will improve end become good for players and developers alike.

For now...  once enough people 'accept f2p', then it becomes 'some advantage', then 'bigger advantage', and before we know it, you have to spend 100+ a month just to compete.  IT WILL HAPPEN.  That's the natural progression based upon the 'need' of corporations to 'MAKE MORE MONEY'.

Damn, dude. Take your foil hat off. I get the impression that you hang around public places with a sign that reads "The end is nigh" in your spare time. You act as though it's some kind of consipiracy. I doubt that at any point players will look upon P2W fondly. No one likes to feel like they're getting ripped off. The trend shows that developers are in tune with what gamers hate. Going against that grain will only lose them money. Like I said, it's good for the developers and the players. 

  eyelolled

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/13/10
Posts: 3103

I am more than some of my parts

8/01/12 11:33:55 PM#20

Well, I don't like to brag, but I've read alot of these types of threads, AND I've read the front page of the Weekly World News on occasion when I'm getting groceries or a slurpee.  The truth of the matter, is that F2P and all the conspiracies are true. Kind of. You see it's the aliens that are instigating the F2P revolution so they can take power away from companies that just want to charge their fee and earn their dollar. The aliens, using F2P games, are able to send us subliminal messages while we play these games and nobody can do anything about it because it's fricken aliens man!  Anyhow, these messages are usually pretty tame. Eat Doritos, drink more cola, spicy food is your friend, that sort of thing. They also want you to stay up sooo late that you pass out cold when you fall asleep. It's seems silly until you put it all together!  And thats when it hits you so hard it blows your mind! Aliens want you to eat Doritos, and drink cola because.....                              wait for it.....                              they want to turn us into noxious gas machines!!!!  Thats right man! Oh wow! I told you it would blow your mind!!!  See the aliens can't breathe oxygen like we can. No way. They need a different chemical coctail in the atmosphere for them to breathe. So they make us eat all sorts of gassy foods to cause us to change the atmosphere!!! BOOM!  I know, I know. Your mind is blown. But wait, check this out. The reason that games keep us up for so long, so that we fall asleep like totally sound, is so they can test our wind without us waking up! Sick right! I know!!!  I'll never sleep on my stomach after eating nachos again!!

 

So anyhow dudes, and dudettes for the more feminine persuasion. Don't play F2P games.              

All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.

I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.

5 Pages 1 2 3 4 5 » Search