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  Grimmx

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8/03/12 3:32:49 AM#121

Its only a few upcoming games that can be concidered hardcore. And they arent on that list. Even if i hope i can find some meaningful pvp in GW2.

Darkfall 2, The Repopulation and (maybe) Archage.

  Scot

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8/03/12 5:11:35 AM#122
You are going to be in for a shock OP if you think any of the games you mentioned has the hardcore gameplay of EVE. WoW template MMO's gave up on anything that was not easymode about 3 years ago.
  Skuz

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"If you can''t laugh at yourself there''s always someone around to show you how it''s done!"

8/03/12 5:15:52 AM#123

Did not vote because "none of the above" was not listed as an option.

I do not consider any of those titles as hardcore due to the very light or non-existing death-penalties they impose, lack of any really punishing game mechanics.

TSW might be in the lead for dungeon difficulty in my opinion, but that's about it.

 

 

  AIMonster

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8/03/12 5:32:24 AM#124

My opinions based on what I know of each game in different categories:

Time to max level:

TSW < SW:TOR < GW2 < WoW

Time to max gear level:

TSW < SW:TOR < GW2 < WoW

Difficulty of content (general):

SW:TOR < WoW < TSW < GW2

Puzzling solving:

WoW < SW:TOR < GW2 < TSW

Difficulty of hardest group content (PvE, single group only):

SW:TOR < WoW < TSW < GW2

Difficulty of raid content:

GW2 < SW:TOR < WoW (TSW doesn't really have raid content.  GW2's raid content here would be meta events so keep in mind that's a very loose term for "raids")

Complexity and Depth of PvP:

SW:TOR < TSW < WoW < GW2

Skill gap / ceilings:

SW:TOR < TSW < WoW < GW2

Most penalizing gameplay (consequences such as death penalty):

SW:TOR < GW2 < TSW < WoW

Time to full content completion:

TSW < SW:TOR < GW2 < WoW

Opinion on which is the most hardcore overall:

SW:TOR < TSW < WoW < GW2

Opinion on which caters the most to casuals overall (just for the sake of including it):

TSW < GW2 < SW:TOR < WoW

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  VassagoMael

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8/03/12 5:38:49 AM#125
LOL WHUT?!?

Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
Subscription = Actual content updates!

  Ezhae

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8/03/12 5:47:29 AM#126

WoW is the most hardcore because it requires the most comitment from player. Between all the grinds and ever changing tiers of gear, You have to play non stop to stay at the "top" of foodchain. 

Then again TOR is hardcore because you need balls of steel to admit you play it these days and quite the patience for BioWare/EA ploys. 

Also, TSW is hardcore, because you have to endure the dragged out kill quests that are spilt into 5 tiers and each tier has you kill 5 to 10 mobs that are just slightly different than the ones in previous tier. Also they are on the other end of the zone so you can jog a bit. 

And, finally, GW2 is hardcore because it's what allt he cool kids want to play now, and we all know cool kids are hardcore. Also you need to dodge. 

  Stimos8

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Joined: 8/14/09
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8/03/12 6:10:31 AM#127
WoW, its just so rediculously hard, i mean, you scroll of rez to 80, play for a few hours and hit 85, the max level,  then do some dungeons and start by doing the end raid a day or 2 later. Its way way way to difficult considering i just cant pull 15k dps in full gear. So ya, as you can clearly see, wow must easily be the most difficult game, i mean just think about how hard it is, doing 1,2,3?
  Theocritus

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8/03/12 8:31:37 AM#128
Originally posted by Tayah

Hard core? I don't think any of them could be considered hardcore. Maybe Ultima Online pre Trammel?

      Or Eve....The 4 on the list aren't hardcore at all....And no having to look up answers for a quest online does not count as hardcore...Sorry TSW fans.

  tkoreaper

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Posts: 421

8/03/12 8:34:38 AM#129

Played them all... TSW was the clear winner for me.

 

Don't recall seeing threads about people quitting due to difficulty for the other games.

  User Deleted
8/03/12 8:35:32 AM#130

If meaning 'hardcore' by the amount of time to spend doing things, I would say WoW.

If meaning 'difficulty' it's hard to even begin calling any of them difficult.  If you're including 'hard mode' content, I would probably still say WoW.  Although, to be honest, there's alot we haven't seen of GW2 dungeons so this may change.

  tkoreaper

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8/03/12 8:37:04 AM#131
Originally posted by Theocritus
Originally posted by Tayah

Hard core? I don't think any of them could be considered hardcore. Maybe Ultima Online pre Trammel?

      Or Eve....The 4 on the list aren't hardcore at all....And no having to look up answers for a quest online does not count as hardcore...Sorry TSW fans.

They only have to look online for answers if they want to be lazy... People look up quest walkthroughs/info for every game anyway... It's just that a lot fo TSW's quest can be quite difficult to figure out on your own. My vote for TSW was due to dungeon difficulty and soloability.

  tkoreaper

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8/03/12 8:47:07 AM#132
Originally posted by Ezhae

WoW is the most hardcore because it requires the most comitment from player. Between all the grinds and ever changing tiers of gear, You have to play non stop to stay at the "top" of foodchain

Then again TOR is hardcore because you need balls of steel to admit you play it these days and quite the patience for BioWare/EA ploys. 

Also, TSW is hardcore, because you have to endure the dragged out kill quests that are spilt into 5 tiers and each tier has you kill 5 to 10 mobs that are just slightly different than the ones in previous tier. Also they are on the other end of the zone so you can jog a bit. 

And, finally, GW2 is hardcore because it's what allt he cool kids want to play now, and we all know cool kids are hardcore. Also you need to dodge. 

Not hard to stay at the "top" when patches/content comes out every 6+ months.

 

You clearly haven't played TSW.

  Bad.dog

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8/03/12 11:58:43 AM#133
Originally posted by tkoreaper

Played them all... TSW was the clear winner for me.

 

Don't recall seeing threads about people quitting due to difficulty for the other games.

Don’t mistake difficulty for boredom ....fighting a mob for 5 minutes and killing it with 95% of your health isn't difficult it just sucks and leads to boredom

  HEKKRA

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Posts: 77

8/03/12 12:00:28 PM#134

Lineage 2 at launch.

 

nothing else.

  tkoreaper

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8/03/12 4:54:13 PM#135
Originally posted by Baddogbill
Originally posted by tkoreaper

Played them all... TSW was the clear winner for me.

 

Don't recall seeing threads about people quitting due to difficulty for the other games.

Don’t mistake difficulty for boredom ....fighting a mob for 5 minutes and killing it with 95% of your health isn't difficult it just sucks and leads to boredom

That's not the case in this game nor was it the reason for the threads I saw. Some of the dungeons are quite difficult as well as regular mobs in some zones unless you completely outgear the area.

 

The "boredom" you speak of is found in the game Tera, not TSW. In some zones it's almost necessary to group up unless you want to wait for your health to regen after killing every mob. I recall a few quests I simply couldn't do because there was a timer that I couldn't meet. I found myself having to go back to the previous zones and either find some quests I missed or run the dungeon a few more times to get geared up a little more. I haven't played any Nightmare versions of any dungeons, but I've heard they're pretty rediculous and really test the group... same thing for open world bosses.

  loulaki

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Posts: 826

8/03/12 6:40:25 PM#136

why you dont mention TERA ?

 

anyway after watching the results of the poll and with the fact that soo it will become free to play, i will give a try fo SWTOR ! lol xD

  Vannor

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8/03/12 6:48:12 PM#137

If GW1 is any indication of what GW2 is going to be like at endgame then I would definately vote GW2. Doing things like the underworld and fissure of woe in GW1 took some dedication, especially the underworld. I hope this translated over.

Right now though I have no idea about GW2.. nor does anyone else for that matter. To get all the achievements and the best gear in WoW takes some real dedication though. It's not my game at all but to reach the top you definately have to commit, so I vote WoW as the most hardcore.

  Ambros123

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8/03/12 7:26:59 PM#138
EVE is more hardcore than all of them put together.  Themepark games are not hardcore.
  skamper

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8/03/12 7:32:28 PM#139
Heroic bosses in wow (pre-nerf) are hard.
  Scot

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8/05/12 6:19:37 AM#140
Originally posted by skamper
Heroic bosses in wow (pre-nerf) are hard.

Were hard. That is the whole point, hard core does not exist anymore.

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