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  RizelStar

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7/28/12 11:18:59 AM#101
Originally posted by evianwater
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by fiontar

...?

The point of your OP was to slam anyone who doesn't thnk GW2 is a the greatest game ever by calling it too difficulut for them to play (no MMORPG is hard) attacking their skill in PVP or cognitive thinking abilities in terms of determining what they find fun. 

"After they get fed up with the difficult game play that enriches GW2 after they get tied of losing a lot or all the time in PVP after they realize that they cant comperhind the meaning of having fun in a very well devoloped game"

You hid that behind an insincere question asking when they would being voicing their displeasure by calling the title "dead".

Realize such claims are using hyperbole to make their point that players are leaving a title in droves (ie see TOR) and cancelling their subs.  Will be a hard thing to verify in GW2 since no one pays a sub fee, heck, GW1 was dead to me years ago but apparently people kept playing for some reason.

GW2 will not appeal to some segment of the market no matter how well made it is.  The developers made some design choices that will ensure that it will displease a fairly large core of the MMORPG marketplace over the long haul and they'll move on to other games once they become available.  Heck, don't be surprised when a lot of folks return to WOW in September because they actually enjoy it's design.

And no matter what people say, GW2 lacks a really key feature that most MMORPG's have and many people play them for, nearly endlless character progression in terms of power.  For some of us it isn't enough to just get another good looking piece of gear.  But that's OK, people will still make new games for us  too.

There, I guess I just started calling GW2 fail today, so you can start the clock.

 

 

Please do not ASSUME to know what I thought when I posted my OP you are further from the truth. That being I feel GW2 is one of the best MMO's that is comming out to date. Very simple point. Why do you and other nagitive people read in between the lines and phyco analize me? I am acualy surprised by your thoughts concedering I find most of your post very entertaining and thoughtful. I am dissapointed that you and others that share this thought pertend to know my reasons behind my OP. I bid you adue.

I agree that Fiontar is off in his assessment, because I was in the threads in the SWTOR forum that basically drove you to post this ;).  Now that said...let me get to the heart of the matter here.

I am one of those who actually is happy about the fact that TOR did not do well.  I know, you probably think I'm sick...but let me explain.

For years I have watched game after game come out that just tried to copy the WoW model, but then add a "gimmick" or two.  Rift added rifts and a different class system.  WAR's gimmick was RvR and a focus on PvP.  AoC's gimmick was action combat.  But outside of these gimmicks, these games were all very similar to WoW.

ALL of these games wound up flopping, and I made several posts about how this approach simply would not work because there is no way that these games can be a better WoW than WoW itself.  Then SWTOR comes around, and surprise surprise, its gimmick is story.  It is basically just a copy of WoW, but with a voice acted and animated story.

But this time it is a huge budget game made by a very reputable developer, AND it features one of the most beloved IPs ever.  So I really saw SWTOR as the ultimate test of my theory.  If any game could succeed with the "WoW model + gimmick" concept, it would be SWTOR....but SWTOR wound up not doing so well.

Basically, the whole thing made me feel vindicated in the statements I've been making for years that WoW model + gimmick just does not work.

GW2 on the other hand, differs from WoW in many fundamental ways...it does not use the WoW model + gimmick design.

GW2 Is still the same type of MMO as WoW..and let's be honest, EQ (which was the original that WoW copied.) It just has more gimmicks than most of the other copies that have come out. It's still very much in line with the linear progression model. 

 

You can talk all you want about WvWvW..but that's basically just a souped up version of WAR's (WAR had excellent RVR..the greatest tragedy was seeing that game fail soooo badly.) 

 

You can talk about the "lack of the trinity class system" but you still have a class system that locks you into whatever class you choose. (as opposed to a game like UO where you never picked a "class" you just got skills and could always pick a different skill)

 

GW2 is *not* some brand new innovative game..it's mind numbing when people pretend it is. I personally like the game, but that's because I loved games like EQ, EQ2, Wow..to some extent, SWTOR, WAR..etc

 

The only hope there is is that GW2 will learn from previous failures and realize the single biggest deathknell for a game is sluggish content. Not every game can be WoW and crap out an xpac ever 2 years and still keep the majority happy.

Amazing how you listed the big differences between GW 2 and WoW and said they where the same at the end.

You missed DE's

Also Heart Quests are different than regular quests by giving choices the whole "does it feel different" stuff is subjective.

SPVP, non gear based, did you purposely leave all those other features out including the uderwater gameplay lol?

How you fight is diffferent as well, unless you can dodge though plenty games add that the big difference with GW 2 is the fact they put it all together with other features.

TSW did a good job with that as well IMO not to my likings for long terms but they atleast attempted and succeeded for people(can't say some or many).

Would you like to get to the knitty gritty with videos and what not, I missed some more differences as well but just got a few basics and common sense.

Innovative doesn't mean [new] either but that is a whole nother topic.

It's mind numbing when people pretend indeed.

I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  Ginaz

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7/28/12 11:43:37 AM#102
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by fiontar

I think what the detractors coming here to make and post this thread don't realize is that GW2 is one of the best, most content rich MMOs since WoW, is fun to play, immersive as hell, features what is definitely one of the largest world spaces since Vanilla WoW and has features that amplify 10 fold the replayability of the massive amounts of content the game ships with. All this and it still doesn't have a subscription fee!

If your hopes for seeing the game fail rest on some smug assumption that B2P means there isn't much content or substance here, then you are just plain misinformed.

I've been playing MMOs for over 14 year and have played or tested most of the AAA titles in that time and a few of the smaller ones as well. I also managed to log 125+ hours between all the beta events, so I had plenty of time to form a properly informed opinion of the game. This game is "the real deal". It's definitely the best MMORPG to launch since WoW launched and it's a better game, here in 2012, than WoW was at launch, or even is now.

In 125 hours of PvE play, I still didn't come close to experiencing maybe a third of the content that was available to us in the BWEs and over half the game was not in the BWEs. I fully anticipate getting over 1,000 hours of PvE game play from GW2 over the course of the first year, which is pretty amazing sine I can count on one hand the number of MMOs since WoW that have managed to hold my interest for more than 60 hours of game play!

Truly good MMOs are so rare in the genre, that it's pretty sad to see a number of people miss out on the opportunity to play a true gem, due to some misinformed impressions or misguided allegiance to another game.

When will GW2 be dead? I'm guessing a few months after GW3 comes out, maybe sometime around 2020.

Did you read my OP? I acualy praised GW2 myself but in a much less of a tone then you did. I agree GW2 is one of the better MMO's to date. Question still reminds with this in mind how long will it be before the na sayers start in on GW2?

The point of your OP was to slam anyone who doesn't thnk GW2 is a the greatest game ever by calling it too difficulut for them to play (no MMORPG is hard) attacking their skill in PVP or cognitive thinking abilities in terms of determining what they find fun. 

"After they get fed up with the difficult game play that enriches GW2 after they get tied of losing a lot or all the time in PVP after they realize that they cant comperhind the meaning of having fun in a very well devoloped game"

You hid that behind an insincere question asking when they would being voicing their displeasure by calling the title "dead".

Realize such claims are using hyperbole to make their point that players are leaving a title in droves (ie see TOR) and cancelling their subs.  Will be a hard thing to verify in GW2 since no one pays a sub fee, heck, GW1 was dead to me years ago but apparently people kept playing for some reason.

GW2 will not appeal to some segment of the market no matter how well made it is.  The developers made some design choices that will ensure that it will displease a fairly large core of the MMORPG marketplace over the long haul and they'll move on to other games once they become available.  Heck, don't be surprised when a lot of folks return to WOW in September because they actually enjoy it's design.

And no matter what people say, GW2 lacks a really key feature that most MMORPG's have and many people play them for, nearly endlless character progression in terms of power.  For some of us it isn't enough to just get another good looking piece of gear.  But that's OK, people will still make new games for us  too.

There, I guess I just started calling GW2 fail today, so you can start the clock.

 

 

Please do not ASSUME to know what I thought when I posted my OP you are further from the truth. That being I feel GW2 is one of the best MMO's that is comming out to date. Very simple point. Why do you and other nagitive people read in between the lines and phyco analize me? I am acualy surprised by your thoughts concedering I find most of your post very entertaining and thoughtful. I am dissapointed that you and others that share this thought pertend to know my reasons behind my OP. I bid you adue.


I'm not negative, just experienced enough to recognize what a person's real motives are behind their posts even if they don't do so themselves.  Leave out the comment I highlighted from your OP and perhaps I'd believe you, otherwise you were just trying to eliciit emotional responses to which you have been successful in.

I know GW2 will be successful, and like GW1 people will play it for many years to come.  Heck, I'll play it for a time but likely won't stick around any great length of time because it doesn't really have the features I'm personally looking for.

 


Theres lots of passive/aggressive posters around here that get upset whenever you call them on it.  All I saw in the OP was another "GW2 is awesome and you are wrong and a horrible person if you don't think it is too!".

Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

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  Homitu

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7/28/12 11:56:29 AM#103
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Homitu
Originally posted by Nilenya
Originally posted by Isturi

Please do not ASSUME to know what I thought when I posted my OP you are further from the truth. That being I feel GW2 is one of the best MMO's that is comming out to date. Very simple point. Why do you and other nagitive people read in between the lines and phyco analize me? I am acualy surprised by your thoughts concedering I find most of your post very entertaining and thoughtful. I am dissapointed that you and others that share this thought pertend to know my reasons behind my OP. I bid you adue.

I just want to say, it is horrifying that anyone would phyco analize you. I acualy am not surprised by everything else that follows concedering what happened to you. Nor do I pertend to know why any nagitive people would do this to you. I salute your adue sir. Well said!

Come on, man, there's no need to make fun of his spelling.  You have no idea what his life situation has been.  One's literacy aptitude isn't always 100% one's own doing.  And his grammar is actually quite good :)

Did I miss something? I use a spell chk most of the time. I admit my spelling can be crap at times. As far as grammar goes I type faster then I think. If I was a professional blogger that made money off this then ya you better believe I would slow down and worried more bout my grammar. As far as literacy goes well I read the X-Men as a kid along with a few other comics wish I still had them for monetary gain. Everyone knows that the standard news paper is written in a fourth grade lvl to accommodate many readers while comics on the other hand were and still are written on a collage lvl go figure.

Yeah, he intentionally constructed his sentences to utilize as many of the words you misspelled as possible, then proceeded to misspell them the same way in mockery :p

  Varthander

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7/28/12 11:59:20 AM#104

When they close the servers it will be dead.

  RizelStar

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7/28/12 12:00:41 PM#105
Originally posted by Homitu
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Homitu
Originally posted by Nilenya
Originally posted by Isturi

Please do not ASSUME to know what I thought when I posted my OP you are further from the truth. That being I feel GW2 is one of the best MMO's that is comming out to date. Very simple point. Why do you and other nagitive people read in between the lines and phyco analize me? I am acualy surprised by your thoughts concedering I find most of your post very entertaining and thoughtful. I am dissapointed that you and others that share this thought pertend to know my reasons behind my OP. I bid you adue.

I just want to say, it is horrifying that anyone would phyco analize you. I acualy am not surprised by everything else that follows concedering what happened to you. Nor do I pertend to know why any nagitive people would do this to you. I salute your adue sir. Well said!

Come on, man, there's no need to make fun of his spelling.  You have no idea what his life situation has been.  One's literacy aptitude isn't always 100% one's own doing.  And his grammar is actually quite good :)

Did I miss something? I use a spell chk most of the time. I admit my spelling can be crap at times. As far as grammar goes I type faster then I think. If I was a professional blogger that made money off this then ya you better believe I would slow down and worried more bout my grammar. As far as literacy goes well I read the X-Men as a kid along with a few other comics wish I still had them for monetary gain. Everyone knows that the standard news paper is written in a fourth grade lvl to accommodate many readers while comics on the other hand were and still are written on a collage lvl go figure.

Yeah, he intentionally constructed his sentences to utilize as many of the words you misspelled as possible, then proceeded to misspell them the same way in mockery :p

Yea I noticed that as well. Was a bit funny but rude IMO.

I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  User Deleted
7/28/12 12:09:45 PM#106

I would expect the population to take a temporary dip when MoP releases for a few months. Since GW2 is B2P, people can freely take breaks to play other games and not feel they are missing out as thier subscription slowly expires. But if the game is fun, they will return.

 

I don't think GW2 will be "dead" for many many years. But I'm sure the negative nannies will claim the game is dying on the first dip.

  Xzen

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7/28/12 12:11:34 PM#107

GW2 is dead. It has almost no population!

 

I guess that makes it right now.

  JoeyMMO

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To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

7/28/12 12:16:59 PM#108
Originally posted by Creslin321
Hmmm...that sounds like fun:

Guild Bores 2

Guild Snores 2

.....eh, none are as good as TORtanic...let me know if anyone can think of better ones :).

Killed Bored 2?

Quit Wars 2?

I'm sure they'll think of something when it comes to that.

  Ginaz

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/01/07
Posts: 1726

7/28/12 12:18:44 PM#109

It will be almost impossible to tell when GW2 is dead because there are no subs.  Its much easier in games like WoW and TOR to tell if the population is declining by looking at sub numbers.  I haven't played GW1 in almost 2 years yet am I still considered a "subscirber"???  Besides, most people will be willing to put up with whatever shit sandwich a f2p or b2p game throws at them over a p2p game simply because theres no money invloved.

Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

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OP  7/28/12 12:18:45 PM#110
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by Homitu
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Homitu
Originally posted by Nilenya
Originally posted by Isturi

Please do not ASSUME to know what I thought when I posted my OP you are further from the truth. That being I feel GW2 is one of the best MMO's that is comming out to date. Very simple point. Why do you and other nagitive people read in between the lines and phyco analize me? I am acualy surprised by your thoughts concedering I find most of your post very entertaining and thoughtful. I am dissapointed that you and others that share this thought pertend to know my reasons behind my OP. I bid you adue.

I just want to say, it is horrifying that anyone would phyco analize you. I acualy am not surprised by everything else that follows concedering what happened to you. Nor do I pertend to know why any nagitive people would do this to you. I salute your adue sir. Well said!

Come on, man, there's no need to make fun of his spelling.  You have no idea what his life situation has been.  One's literacy aptitude isn't always 100% one's own doing.  And his grammar is actually quite good :)

Did I miss something? I use a spell chk most of the time. I admit my spelling can be crap at times. As far as grammar goes I type faster then I think. If I was a professional blogger that made money off this then ya you better believe I would slow down and worried more bout my grammar. As far as literacy goes well I read the X-Men as a kid along with a few other comics wish I still had them for monetary gain. Everyone knows that the standard news paper is written in a fourth grade lvl to accommodate many readers while comics on the other hand were and still are written on a collage lvl go figure.

Yeah, he intentionally constructed his sentences to utilize as many of the words you misspelled as possible, then proceeded to misspell them the same way in mockery :p

Yea I noticed that as well. Was a bit funny but rude IMO.

Again I ask did I miss something? Maybe your sophisticated humor is beyond me? IDK "And now for something completely different." Monty Python.

  Ginaz

Hard Core Member

Joined: 4/01/07
Posts: 1726

7/28/12 12:21:41 PM#111
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by Homitu
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Homitu
Originally posted by Nilenya
Originally posted by Isturi

Please do not ASSUME to know what I thought when I posted my OP you are further from the truth. That being I feel GW2 is one of the best MMO's that is comming out to date. Very simple point. Why do you and other nagitive people read in between the lines and phyco analize me? I am acualy surprised by your thoughts concedering I find most of your post very entertaining and thoughtful. I am dissapointed that you and others that share this thought pertend to know my reasons behind my OP. I bid you adue.

I just want to say, it is horrifying that anyone would phyco analize you. I acualy am not surprised by everything else that follows concedering what happened to you. Nor do I pertend to know why any nagitive people would do this to you. I salute your adue sir. Well said!

Come on, man, there's no need to make fun of his spelling.  You have no idea what his life situation has been.  One's literacy aptitude isn't always 100% one's own doing.  And his grammar is actually quite good :)

Did I miss something? I use a spell chk most of the time. I admit my spelling can be crap at times. As far as grammar goes I type faster then I think. If I was a professional blogger that made money off this then ya you better believe I would slow down and worried more bout my grammar. As far as literacy goes well I read the X-Men as a kid along with a few other comics wish I still had them for monetary gain. Everyone knows that the standard news paper is written in a fourth grade lvl to accommodate many readers while comics on the other hand were and still are written on a collage lvl go figure.

Yeah, he intentionally constructed his sentences to utilize as many of the words you misspelled as possible, then proceeded to misspell them the same way in mockery :p

Yea I noticed that as well. Was a bit funny but rude IMO.

Again I ask did I miss something? Maybe your sophisticated humor is beyond me? IDK "And now for something completely different." Monty Python.

You were mocked for your spelling and grammar.  You mistook his post as praise.  Fin.

Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?

Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.

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OP  7/28/12 12:21:55 PM#112
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by fiontar

Please do not ASSUME to know what I thought when I posted my OP you are further from the truth. That being I feel GW2 is one of the best MMO's that is comming out to date. Very simple point. Why do you and other nagitive people read in between the lines and phyco analize me? I am acualy surprised by your thoughts concedering I find most of your post very entertaining and thoughtful. I am dissapointed that you and others that share this thought pertend to know my reasons behind my OP. I bid you adue.


I'm not negative, just experienced enough to recognize what a person's real motives are behind their posts even if they don't do so themselves.  Leave out the comment I highlighted from your OP and perhaps I'd believe you, otherwise you were just trying to eliciit emotional responses to which you have been successful in.

I know GW2 will be successful, and like GW1 people will play it for many years to come.  Heck, I'll play it for a time but likely won't stick around any great length of time because it doesn't really have the features I'm personally looking for.

 

Since you clam to be a experienced person. How about we agree to disagree. TY for your opinion.

  xalvi

Novice Member

Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 343

7/28/12 12:23:09 PM#113

Anothr fail thread....how can a B2P game with no sub be dead/fail?

Just look at GW1, GG bye now.

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OP  7/28/12 12:27:32 PM#114
Originally posted by Ginaz
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by Homitu
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by Homitu
Originally posted by Nilenya
Originally posted by Isturi

Yeah, he intentionally constructed his sentences to utilize as many of the words you misspelled as possible, then proceeded to misspell them the same way in mockery :p

Yea I noticed that as well. Was a bit funny but rude IMO.

Again I ask did I miss something? Maybe your sophisticated humor is beyond me? IDK "And now for something completely different." Monty Python.

You were mocked for your spelling and grammar.  You mistook his post as praise.  Fin.

Yes ty for your thought. I knew from the start of his so called failed attempt to troll me out on my grammar. Personally I don't give a damn on his thoughts on my grammar or spelling or whatever he may thought I did wrong. I called his bluff in a roundabout way letting him know that he can not and will not troll me on my thread.

So once again I ask did I miss something?

  sinloi

Novice Member

Joined: 4/10/03
Posts: 191

7/28/12 12:29:40 PM#115
Originally posted by JoeyMMO
Originally posted by Creslin321
Hmmm...that sounds like fun:

Guild Bores 2

Guild Snores 2

.....eh, none are as good as TORtanic...let me know if anyone can think of better ones :).

Killed Bored 2?

Quit Wars 2?

I'm sure they'll think of something when it comes to that.

MWAHAHHAHAHAHA Did someone say.....Quilt Wars?! *breaks out needle and thread* Once I've finished with my latest creation I will use it to rule the WORLD! MWAHAHAHAHA

 

Could have been worse it could have been Kilt Wars....*shudder*

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OP  7/28/12 12:30:04 PM#116
Originally posted by xalvi

Anothr fail thread....how can a B2P game with no sub be dead/fail?

Just look at GW1, GG bye now.

I would ask to give your definition of a successful thread. after the count of post and hits? dose a thread need to hit 200 or more for it to be successful?

  sinloi

Novice Member

Joined: 4/10/03
Posts: 191

7/28/12 12:31:31 PM#117
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by xalvi

Anothr fail thread....how can a B2P game with no sub be dead/fail?

Just look at GW1, GG bye now.

I would ask to give your definition of a successful thread. after the count of post and hits? dose a thread need to hit 200 or more for it to be successful?

 

This thread has given me a chance to practice being a bat crap crazy meglomaniacal necromancer asura I say this thread is very successful.

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OP  7/28/12 12:33:20 PM#118
Originally posted by sinloi
Originally posted by Isturi
Originally posted by xalvi

Anothr fail thread....how can a B2P game with no sub be dead/fail?

Just look at GW1, GG bye now.

I would ask to give your definition of a successful thread. after the count of post and hits? dose a thread need to hit 200 or more for it to be successful?

 

This thread has given me a chance to practice being a bat crap crazy meglomaniacal necromancer asura I say this thread is very successful.

Hey be that if you want. I persoanly would not want to be that way but whatever.

  nationalcity

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/31/04
Posts: 343

7/28/12 12:36:30 PM#119

Within the first month you will get posts saying the game is dying and everyone is leaving just like every other game to date.....

  ven7ura

Novice Member

Joined: 9/27/10
Posts: 4

7/28/12 12:36:41 PM#120

If you have been outside... you know that there are poeple who are pessimists and try to bash on everything they can manage.

That being said, I THINK that people saying that this game is already dead and/or will be dead soon, are just trying to be smart-ass.

Just think about it. If the game is a success then that person bashing the game will be quickly forgotten, BUT IF the game fails to deliver they can use the "I told you so..." argument.

They are stepping on a win-win situation, since they win either wayy :(

 

IF the game is a success:

TROLL: Quickly forgotten, plays the game either way.

IF the game is a failure:

TROLL: "I told you so...", "First!" arguments, and search for another game to bash on to...

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