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7/27/12 5:09:58 PM#21

you have to look at it from their perspective.  maybe they didnt have the time to teach someone the fights.  also, take some initiative.  make your own group,  find other players that also want to learn the fights.  i do not condone players excluding other players but other factors should be taken into account before calling someone elitist.  i think they would be more than happy to group with you they just dont want to teach you the fight.  they want people who have done it before.


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7/27/12 5:11:15 PM#22

To the OP, just play the game and move on from those lames that won't allow you in a group because of some little QL issue. I know it DOES matter but when they start to nitpick it can be annoying.

I haven't started diong the dungeons seriously like that yet, however I do see all the LFG chatter that goes on while in Argatha. I think once they put in some type of LFG system this will quell a little for the most part.

As far the OP and his healing learning. You could try to heal for a lower level group in Polaris or something on normal just to see if your build works right before trying to take on harder stuff. You could even go into Fusang PvP to test it out but for group AoE heals it may be a little harder making sure you are around your group members since it is so zergy..

PM before you report at least or you could just block.

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7/27/12 5:16:57 PM#23

I find it much easier to just start my own groups.  Best part is that people cant be picky, also when im making a dungeon i wont add someone whos QL is too far above the required, typically means they are looking for an easy stomp and will complain if someone needs to learn the instance or we have to wipe a few times, neither bothers me.

Every dungeon is very doable in blue gear from the previous dungeon.


Also, being excluded from groups who farm dungeons isnt a bad thing, ive run a few with people like that, very boring.


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7/27/12 5:40:13 PM#24

elitist morons are in every mmo ,just ignore  that players type


I testing different builds , & warning players in my team about that, told that when LFG, too...&   not meeet some elite morons ,yet , but they are around for sure.


TSW comunity is one by bets in mmo , nwm, if run dungeons or regular missons who requesting team work , out group coordinating  activating puzzle in area with alot players .... For now i have only positive mind about community

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW


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7/27/12 5:41:16 PM#25

Originally posted by BigRock411
I find it much easier to just start my own groups.  Best part is that people cant be picky, also when im making a dungeon i wont add someone whos QL is too far above the required, typically means they are looking for an easy stomp and will complain if someone needs to learn the instance or we have to wipe a few times, neither bothers me.

Every dungeon is very doable in blue gear from the previous dungeon.


Also, being excluded from groups who farm dungeons isnt a bad thing, ive run a few with people like that, very boring.

Ugh. It makes me sad to hear about people farming dungeons for gear in TSW. Bah!

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7/27/12 5:44:42 PM#26

You must be late getting to the party, there has been grouping elitism and backseat gearscoring occuring since the second day of headstart.

Welcome to the new age of MMORPGs, thank Blizzard for taking a niche genre and mainstreaming it.


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7/27/12 5:52:34 PM#27

Yep, when I have to sit looking at the chat window for an hour just to maybe get lucky and find a group.That is a dealbreaker for me. Maybe they will realize just how important that LFG tool really is. I've read some good points from all of the posters here. I am lazy and there are a lot like me that just don't want to deal with trying to sift through the elitists looking for a group. Three weeks over 80 hrs played and done,maybe next time.


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Most Morbid One

7/27/12 5:56:04 PM#28
Originally posted by Schockey

Yep, when I have to sit looking at the chat window for an hour just to maybe get lucky and find a group.That is a dealbreaker for me. Maybe they will realize just how important that LFG tool really is. I've read some good points from all of the posters here. I am lazy and there are a lot like me that just don't want to deal with trying to sift through the elitists looking for a group. Three weeks over 80 hrs played and done,maybe next time.

 You can't stop playing 3 days before the first content update manne..

PM before you report at least or you could just block.


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Surrender!?!.....Hell we got'em right where we want them!

7/27/12 6:03:28 PM#29
Name : Retye Server: Grim Always looking looking for fun runs....look new up fist/chaos build

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7/27/12 6:07:58 PM#30

My advice,go to the desired instance zone and ask there for a group,or form one yourself,i'm sure there are lots of people to join you.Agartha is just like you described so it isn't worth it to try there.

I've been in groups where the leader didn't know anything about the dungeon we were about to run through and nobody had anything to object.


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7/27/12 6:08:35 PM#31

This'll be in every game. Even in GW2 I predict that people will refuse a Ranger if they have something like lots of condition damage but the elitists want them to have more precision instead. Removing the trinity won't change anything. I experienced what the OP is talking about early on in TSW. From day one people were stating the QL of their gear and that they knew the dungeon design.


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The Dude abides

7/27/12 7:37:21 PM#32

Believe it or not it was around even in beta. Always have those types of dicks in this genre of gaming.

Just do your own lfg and be honest on your build. You'll find plenty that aren't that dickish. Many friendly types around but the gear and spec hounds will always be prevalent regardless the mmo

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.


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7/27/12 7:51:54 PM#33

It's just the these modern PvE instance/gear/token grind games that are like that.  The only way I have found to avoid it is to find a nice group/guild/cabal or whatever and group with them.  I realize me not knowing the fight or having 'all purps and 2800 AR' might ruin someone elses fun...but I think me and that person I have different idea of fun.  In TSW that attitude seemed very prevelant, however I never made into a cabal unfortunately and gave up before I gave the game a full chance. 


I play a lot of Eve and you really don't see that attitude too much, at least not in the corps/alliances I associate with.  You know what is funny though?  When they introduced incursions, which are basically dungeons, and these incursions became the best way to make money in hi-sec, you saw the same elitism shit.  It was pretty disgusting and I never once joined a random group for incursions because I don't support that attitude.  The incursions do require a certain ship or you are toast, but it got pretty bad at times.  It's just PvE themeparks that have trained some people to act like douches.


I really never care how much times is wasted or how many times we wipe on a boss....all that really matters for me is that myself and the people I am with are having fun :)  I guess I am a weirdo.


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7/27/12 8:11:11 PM#34
Originally posted by sycofiend

So,  so far my experience with the community has been good, but this kinda put me off a bit, so I am curious, what have your group experiences in TSW been like ?

Thanks !

It's been very much the same (one of the main reasons I stopped playing).

Instead of Gearscore, you have (attack rating, heal rating, & max hp). Most groups (not just speed runs, but regular elite groups) are asking for people already decked out in full epics (nightmare gear, AR/HR 2800+). The funny part is I ran a bunch of guildies through all the elites (before I had even began to farm for nightmare gear), and many of them still had QL2-4 gear on. Guess what? We still managed to clear every instance.

Speed runs (usually AP farming) tends to involve clearing slaughterhouse as quickly as possible. Aside from the golem boss (that spawns a bunch of adds), the entire instance is a joke when it comes to difficulty. You can clear it w/ out a single piece of QL10 gear without much trouble. Still, people want full epics to do the runs (most of them are actually pretty awful, though. They just rely on better than average gear to make up for their lack of skill).

My advice would be (if you still want to play the game). Make friends, form your own groups (so you can pick the people YOU want to group with). As long as you can get a decent healer & tank, the rest of the slots are insanely easy to fill.

I'd also recommend trying to get into a decent cabal. Not necessarily the most geared, but an active, and reasonably skilled one that is at endgame. Seriously, the dungeons in this game just aren't that hard once you understand the mechanics (most of which being pretty basic). As long as you know how to avoid glowing AoE circles, you're already good enough to beat most of the dungeons on that alone.


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7/28/12 2:13:45 AM#35


Gotta agree with many of the above OP start your own group and I for one will also join you. If you want to do Polaris with someone who hasn't done it, isn't spec'd out and hasn't been doing a specific build (half the fun, for me, is exploring all options) then give me a shout in game "Belm" I'm of the "ghost in the machine" cabal.
Elitism is going to be rampant in all games same as in real life, nor is some idiot blaming everyone but their lack of skill for their failure on an instance. I once joined a group of 2 others on SWTOR announced it was my first play through on that dungeon only to get half way through and be the last one standing because some idiot aggrod everything in sight then died, he then started shouting how I was a noob and had caused this. 
I play for fun not to be told I'm noob because someone else thinks they are better because they are over spec'd for a particular dungeon. Tbh the community has been quite good from what I've observed but I tend to stay out of general since there some who are too helpful and drop spoilers while helping others on missions. 

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7/28/12 2:56:10 AM#36

I find the forums far worse than the reality of the game.

The forums are full of theorycrafters, many of who simply read what they want to read from the intelligent technical threads, take it as gospel then try and impose that flawed logic on the community.

In-game i have found TSW's community to be second to none, loads of fun, really engaging, extremely helpful and I for one look forward to loggin in just to have a chat with the other Templars.

As regards grouping, I have indeed seen the elitist groups spamming for certain builds, but equally i have found I have been able to group with a non-fotm build loads and have never been discriminated against because im not the fotm build. From my experience those who get the boot from groups are those who complain or tell the healer/tank they can do a better job because they are a better spec. Such players are a small minority and exist in all mmo's. Oddly enough I find most of these players are actually quite well meaning and often do not have English as their main language (or just speak poor English) and much gets lost in the translation. An offer is seen as a criticism and a complaint when it's really not meant that way.

I laugh at players who want tanks with blade/chaos only or healers who are blood/fist only with set QL and specific abilities on their QB's. Such players will never experience the true fun of TSW, which is virtually ANY build can be viable and grouping with players who have unique and odd builds is as much fun as it is a challenge. I also feel sorry for those elitist pricks who refer to dps as "scrubs", again it's the minority, but that mentality still exists.

As for the speed runs, well, don't worry, these players will all be gone once GW2 launches.

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7/28/12 2:59:36 AM#37

This is the reason I don't log back in anymore.  Admittedly I was never the biggest fanboy, I should've liked the game, it had everything I think I wanted from a game but it never did hook me in (fighting for a name for 3 hours was a bad start I guess).  Still, I almost got into the story and the system but it got to the point that I had to turn off both general chat and looking for group, it was already filled with elite jerks being rude to people for no reason that I could see other than to just be rude.

If this is a sign of how the community is going to be y'all can keep this game.


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7/28/12 3:15:28 AM#38

Sadly there are elitist wan***s in every MMO now. Personally the worst ones I've met were in Rift (played WoW only for a month, didn't like it and mostly soloed). In TSW I've grouped mostly with nice people but I have to admit that I've met some bad apples as well. Think that some people just get high on drama, cannot think of any other reason.



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7/28/12 3:34:19 AM#39

For every elitist jerk there are also people smart enough to realise that the most rewarding way to run an instance is to do so while teaching it to someone else.

I ran Inferno with a first time tank a few hours ago and there was a real sense of achievement at the end. Thats always my preferred way of playing.

I think TSW is the sort of game that will attract its fair share of "good" people.

Savour the good groups, move on quickly from the poor ones and just have fun.

If you like the people you grouped with add them to your friends list, if you really hated them then add them to your ignore.




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7/28/12 8:39:32 AM#40
Elitism exists in every major MMORPG on the market. It is a small minority in every game. Why would TSW be different?
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