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  Weretigar

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7/25/12 4:24:16 PM#141
Originally posted by azmundai

 


Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus Pesonally i think its a smart move of Blizzard, giving their playerbase a new expansion so close to the release of GW2, i would have done the same, it will keep a lot of people from trying GW2 and wayting for the soon to be released expansion. Its a master move from Blizzard, because we all know the release dates of the previous expansions where all much later. They all aimed for the christmass target (except the lich king which did not make the that target)
I guess this speaks volumes as to what Blizzard execs fear GW2 might do to WOW. Time will tell though :-)

 

just like they feared warhammer

just like they feared aoc

just like they feared lotro

swtor

rift

etc etc etc etc

you dont have to fear something to be good at positioning your product in a market.

one thing I feel is a certainty : wow will be at or very near the top of the mmo heirarchy for years to come. and no I am not a fanboy. if anything I am fairly disgusted with what wow has become and what it has done to the genre. I do still have an account though, and I do still play from time to time .. because nothing else even comes close to measuring up. sad statement indeed.

bring on prepop and aa .. hopefully they will actually shake things up a little.

you are right we will all be playing kung fu panda ripoff regardless. <3

  azmundai

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7/25/12 4:27:35 PM#142


Originally posted by Weretigar

Originally posted by azmundai  

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus Pesonally i think its a smart move of Blizzard, giving their playerbase a new expansion so close to the release of GW2, i would have done the same, it will keep a lot of people from trying GW2 and wayting for the soon to be released expansion. Its a master move from Blizzard, because we all know the release dates of the previous expansions where all much later. They all aimed for the christmass target (except the lich king which did not make the that target)
I guess this speaks volumes as to what Blizzard execs fear GW2 might do to WOW. Time will tell though :-)
  just like they feared warhammer just like they feared aoc just like they feared lotro swtor rift etc etc etc etc you dont have to fear something to be good at positioning your product in a market. one thing I feel is a certainty : wow will be at or very near the top of the mmo heirarchy for years to come. and no I am not a fanboy. if anything I am fairly disgusted with what wow has become and what it has done to the genre. I do still have an account though, and I do still play from time to time .. because nothing else even comes close to measuring up. sad statement indeed. bring on prepop and aa .. hopefully they will actually shake things up a little.
you are right we will all be playing kung fu panda ripoff regardless. <3

i should add, that I sincerely hope that I end up cancelling my wow account because of gw2 .. between that and vg f2p its a real possibility .. but we'll have to see.

LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  aspekx

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7/25/12 4:31:17 PM#143

i think a more interesting question is when will they quit requiring the full game + the expac? probably not this time around. i would imagine that this is not just good product release and positioning, which it is, but that it is also a test to see what happens next.

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One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
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  gestalt11

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7/25/12 4:37:00 PM#144
Originally posted by azmundai

 


Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus Pesonally i think its a smart move of Blizzard, giving their playerbase a new expansion so close to the release of GW2, i would have done the same, it will keep a lot of people from trying GW2 and wayting for the soon to be released expansion. Its a master move from Blizzard, because we all know the release dates of the previous expansions where all much later. They all aimed for the christmass target (except the lich king which did not make the that target)
I guess this speaks volumes as to what Blizzard execs fear GW2 might do to WOW. Time will tell though :-)

 

just like they feared warhammer

just like they feared aoc

just like they feared lotro

swtor

rift

etc etc etc etc

you dont have to fear something to be good at positioning your product in a market.

one thing I feel is a certainty : wow will be at or very near the top of the mmo heirarchy for years to come. and no I am not a fanboy. if anything I am fairly disgusted with what wow has become and what it has done to the genre. I do still have an account though, and I do still play from time to time .. because nothing else even comes close to measuring up. sad statement indeed.

bring on prepop and aa .. hopefully they will actually shake things up a little.

None of those games offer any relief from the quest grind.  In everyone of those games people started asking themselves "If I keep doing quests and whatnot why don't I just continue on with WoW?".

This is the big difference.

 

If this were The secret world we were talking even there you might have a point although its more of a stretch.  Every single one of those games had an almost verbatim copy of WoW questing system as the main way of getting XP.

Even Rift with its fairly sigifniciant rift system was still easily like 70-80% questing for xp.

 

The reason this could really backfire on Blizzard is that DE really do feel alot different than making a shopping list of quests.  Releasing this close to GW2's release will make that difference even more obvious and sickening to people.  As opposed to letting the feeling where off and having some nostalgia kick in. 

People are dead tired of shopping lists.  All those games gave people shopping lists. 

  newbinator

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7/25/12 4:38:11 PM#145
Originally posted by Justsomenoob

A better question is how will the release of GW2 affect the WoW expansion.

 

It will totally kill WoW. Just like Warhammer, Aion, Age of Conan, SW:TOR, Tera, and all the other overhyped POS games.

  sk8chalif

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7/25/12 4:42:23 PM#146

Yes alot of people will buy MoP including me to  check it out, Poeple will soon realise . Oh snap cannot dodge oh snap cannot cast while running. O realy i have to return the quest to the quest giver at the beginning of the map, .. arhgh so far away, gotta take the fly path, or run for 10 minute, people will  return to GW2 :P

 

just my opinion :P


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  azmundai

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7/25/12 4:43:29 PM#147


Originally posted by gestalt11

Originally posted by azmundai  

Originally posted by joocheese

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus Pesonally i think its a smart move of Blizzard, giving their playerbase a new expansion so close to the release of GW2, i would have done the same, it will keep a lot of people from trying GW2 and wayting for the soon to be released expansion. Its a master move from Blizzard, because we all know the release dates of the previous expansions where all much later. They all aimed for the christmass target (except the lich king which did not make the that target)
I guess this speaks volumes as to what Blizzard execs fear GW2 might do to WOW. Time will tell though :-)
  just like they feared warhammer just like they feared aoc just like they feared lotro swtor rift etc etc etc etc you dont have to fear something to be good at positioning your product in a market. one thing I feel is a certainty : wow will be at or very near the top of the mmo heirarchy for years to come. and no I am not a fanboy. if anything I am fairly disgusted with what wow has become and what it has done to the genre. I do still have an account though, and I do still play from time to time .. because nothing else even comes close to measuring up. sad statement indeed. bring on prepop and aa .. hopefully they will actually shake things up a little.
None of those games offer any relief from the quest grind.  In everyone of those games people started asking themselves "If I keep doing quests and whatnot why don't I just continue on with WoW?".

This is the big difference.

 

If this were The secret world we were talking even there you might have a point although its more of a stretch.  Every single one of those games had an almost verbatim copy of WoW questing system as the main way of getting XP.

Even Rift with its fairly sigifniciant rift system was still easily like 70-80% questing for xp.

 

The reason this could really backfire on Blizzard is that DE really do feel alot different than making a shopping list of quests.  Releasing this close to GW2's release will make that difference even more obvious and sickening to people.  As opposed to letting the feeling where off and having some nostalgia kick in. 

People are dead tired of shopping lists.  All those games gave people shopping lists. 



warhammer and rift both had public quests to break up quest grinding.

as ive said in other threads, gw2 is the same thing .. "i feel like im taking crazy pills" .. just because the zone gives you the quest instead of an npc doesn't change the fact that its a quest, kill some mobs, grab some stuff, zerg down some veteran .. nothing has changed except the delivery.

yes it's more open, but you are still in a subzone of a zone dedicated to your level, or you are leeching off of level appropriate people missing 90% of your attacks on a mob 4 levels higher than you.

ssdg

better, but blizzard isn't breaking a sweat.

there is a thread like this every time a game releases. better panic!!! PQs are gonna change the genre!!!! better panic!!! the third pilar (still gotta rofl about this) is gonna change the genre!!!! etc etc etc ..

ssdg

LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  Weretigar

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Joined: 10/15/10
Posts: 626

If you watch a game, it’s fun. If you play it, it’s recreation. If you work at it, it’s FF-XIV.

7/25/12 4:43:58 PM#148
Originally posted by sk8chalif

Yes alot of people will buy MoP including me to  check it out, Poeple will soon realise . Oh snap cannot dodge oh snap cannot cast while running. O realy i have to return the quest to the quest giver at the start of the map, .. arhgh so far away, gotta take the fly path, or run for 10 minute, people will  return to GW2 :P

 

just my opinion :P

I wanted to check out the jump from pole to pole features they were showing on the videos. Also I really liked the movies. 

  Jimmydean

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7/25/12 4:44:00 PM#149

Sadly a smart move by Blizzard. People will be bored of Guild Wars 2 already by then, and will be ready to hop back on the treadmill.

  Beacker

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7/25/12 4:44:23 PM#150

Really I don't think it is going to impact WoW much. GW2 already wins because it is a non sub game so even if a ton of people leave for the WoW expansion GW2 already did there box sales. Ontop of that when people get sick of WoW they will just go back to GW2. I think most people however who are going to play GW2 could care less about WoW at this point. It really isn't going to effect anything.

  User Deleted
7/25/12 4:47:27 PM#151

The WoW faithful will won't leave for GW2 so I doubt the Mists of  Pandaren release will effect GW2 much if any at all.

  Weretigar

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If you watch a game, it’s fun. If you play it, it’s recreation. If you work at it, it’s FF-XIV.

7/25/12 4:47:29 PM#152
Originally posted by Beacker

Really I don't think it is going to impact WoW much. GW2 already wins because it is a non sub game so even if a ton of people leave for the WoW expansion GW2 already did there box sales. Ontop of that when people get sick of WoW they will just go back to GW2. I think most people however who are going to play GW2 could care less about WoW at this point. It really isn't going to effect anything.

I always forget about this. I don't have to sub for GW2 so once i test out the new panda stuff i can just go back all willy nilly.

  xalvi

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7/25/12 5:00:30 PM#153
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by xalvi

Funny. Most of the GW2 playerbase don't even know what panderen is, i just now found out through this thread that WoW has a new expansion....so ya, no influence will be made to  GW2 from this expansion. 

 

GW2 > All

Mate, dont imagine that you are the GW2 playerbase, if you dont know things, others might.  

 

Any vivid MMO fan should know what it is, and if not they belong to a very small and ign orant minorrity

This coming from a guy that is bringing up WoW into a GW2 forums...so i have to know about a game i that i never tried or ever will? Confused much.

If im going to play GW2 i dont really care about any other game on the market because it is that good....that answers your question, if someone is playing GW2 and have no clue about what pandaren is that shows you it has no influence on GW2, try better i am the GW2 playerbase brah. Others have also posted saying wtf is pandaren as well.

 

Any vivid MMO fan would know that GW2 already wins because it has no sub, and if not they belong to a very small and ignorant minority.

  Bad.dog

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7/25/12 5:08:33 PM#154
Originally posted by Mephster

The WoW faithful will won't leave for GW2 so I doubt the Mists of  Pandaren release will effect GW2 much if any at all.

I don't think it's the folks playing WOW at this moment that  new games are aiming for ...it's the 10 million former WOW players that aren't playing RIFT  SWTOR TERA or TSW that GW2 is looking to tap into or perhaps even first time mmo players can be pulled into the new kid on the block .

  Cromica

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7/25/12 5:12:01 PM#155

If people want to stay on the same 8 year old gear treadmill they will. The majority of us that are sick and tired of raiding and want to have fun instead of chase stats will be playing GW2.

  UOvet

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7/25/12 5:15:07 PM#156

Ever notice the main component ppl are going to play Guild Wars 2 is cause it's free? Not exactly a great sign in my eyes. Basically admit the game isn't good enough to pay for, then again "everyone" is against the pay to play method now it seems, because somehow $15 a month makes you feel somehow dedicated to play and is too much.

  User Deleted
7/25/12 5:15:12 PM#157

Most people will have scratched GW2 itch by that time and MoP will be waiting with open arms.

  Derpybird

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7/25/12 5:18:29 PM#158
Originally posted by Foomerang

Most people will have scratched GW2 itch by that time and MoP will be waiting with open arms.

And when they realize that MoP is really just more of the same, they will return to GW2.

"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.

  xalvi

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7/25/12 5:19:41 PM#159
Originally posted by UOvet

Ever notice the main component ppl are going to play Guild Wars 2 is cause it's free? Not exactly a great sign in my eyes. Basically admit the game isn't good enough to pay for, then again "everyone" is against the pay to play method now it seems, because somehow $15 a month makes you feel somehow dedicated to play and is too much.

In that case, since its free, i'd like to know where my $60 went to...mind telling me afterall it is free?

 

Not playing it because its sub-free although that is a big plus, but because of a change in the combat mechanics and the varity of pvp they offer as well as dungeons....you know what this can go on a big list so ill stop here. 

  Cromica

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7/25/12 5:21:08 PM#160
Originally posted by UOvet

Ever notice the main component ppl are going to play Guild Wars 2 is cause it's free? Not exactly a great sign in my eyes. Basically admit the game isn't good enough to pay for, then again "everyone" is against the pay to play method now it seems, because somehow $15 a month makes you feel somehow dedicated to play and is too much.

The best things about GW2 is the no trinity, no gear treadmill, and skill > stats. Having no monthly fee is just a plus.

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