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  Alders

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7/23/12 3:35:30 AM#21

All you have to do is read dev interviews from both studios to understand.

  DeniZg

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7/23/12 3:37:10 AM#22

After what we've seen and heard from TESO developers so far, it's most likely that TESO will be a SWTOR clone with Elder scrolls skin and 3 faction PVP.  It is expected that Elder Scrolls fanbase (and they are the ones who will fuel the hype) will not be pleased with such game design.

On the other hand, GW2, although different to GW1, in it's design still loyal to the franchise but with fresh approach at the same time , caters to both GW and non-GW fans. And of course, it delivers on everything that was promised in "manifesto".

That's why there's hype disparity between these two games.

 

  Ezhae

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7/23/12 3:52:41 AM#23

For me it's just another case of forcing an existing, popular franchise name ona game that shouldn't have it. Happens a lot insingeplayer games (the X-COM shooter, Syndicate, etc.) and it happens with MMOs as well it seems. 

Ever since Arena, TES was about sadnboxy, huge, open world  with "make your own adventure" gameplay style. TESO sadly doesn't give that vibe. While on it's own it might be completley valid MMO choice, the fact it has that TES franchise forced on it makes it less desireable. 

It will lur ein the initial crowd but long term wise, it will be have to exceptional to keep people around. 

  SlickShoes

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7/23/12 3:54:11 AM#24

Everything that GW2 said it would deliver, it already has, I have played the best large scale PvP since Dark Age of Camelot. TESO has lots of things on it's manifesto but no one has even touched the game yet so we have no idea whether it's likely to deliver or not.

Also like many people have said players coming in expecting Skyrim or Morrowind Online will be very disappointed when they actually do some reading about this game.

  keinohr

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7/23/12 4:09:44 AM#25

I totally disagree with the OP. The hype for TESO is huge compared to GW2. The train began to roll with the Gameinformer coverage. There's still no ingame footage. The environmental fly through at E3 doesn't really count. On the other hand GW2's hype started with a demo at Gamescom 2010. Many people who played it were surprised and stunned by the shatterer event.

  Loke666

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7/23/12 4:18:41 AM#26

When the lead designer said that all MMO features were already created and nothing really new can be added it just turned off a lot of people.

I think there have been no real hype since the game have no really new stuff. Sure, a modern version of DaoC set in TES world is not uninteresting but for people to be truly hyped they either need to invent a new cool feature or resurrect something cool from the early days.

But ESOs most interesting feature is 3 faction PvP and frankly have GW2 the same, and more interesting features.

ESO need to present something fun it does really different from the rest if it want a huge hype. 

  Adzija

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7/23/12 4:31:52 AM#27

Love the Elder Scrolls series but still haven't seen a single gameplay video from TESO so can't really be too hyped.

Maybe when we get more stuff from it but now it's too early I belive.

 

Side note: to add to that above, if there is a video of gameplay please link :)

  busdriver

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7/23/12 4:36:39 AM#28
Originally posted by Loke666

But ESOs most interesting feature is 3 faction PvP and frankly have GW2 the same,

...and both of those pale in comparison with Planetside 2 faction pvp.

  korent1991

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7/23/12 4:38:53 AM#29

Elder scrolls series > elder scroll online

that's why it's getting a lot of bad feedback from players.

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  User Deleted
7/23/12 4:39:58 AM#30
Originally posted by busdriver
Originally posted by Loke666

But ESOs most interesting feature is 3 faction PvP and frankly have GW2 the same,

...and both of those pale in comparison with Planetside 2 faction pvp.

And PS2 is a FPS in MMO clothing.  Very few MMO gamers will be playing PS2 because of that.  Why play PS2 when you can play any of the multitude of FPS's like COD or Battlefield.  Different stokes for different folks.

  busdriver

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7/23/12 5:02:25 AM#31
Originally posted by Zylaxx
Originally posted by busdriver
Originally posted by Loke666

But ESOs most interesting feature is 3 faction PvP and frankly have GW2 the same,

...and both of those pale in comparison with Planetside 2 faction pvp.

And PS2 is a FPS in MMO clothing.  Very few MMO gamers will be playing PS2 because of that.  Why play PS2 when you can play any of the multitude of FPS's like COD or Battlefield.  Different stokes for different folks.

PS2 is FPSMMO. It is not RPG, if that's what you were trying to say.

As for why choose PS2 over COD/whatever? Get into beta and try it out, then you will know. For now, lets just say I'm done for good with regular FPS games.

  jondifool

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7/23/12 5:04:37 AM#32
Originally posted by ozmono

I think I must be missing something because I just don't understand the huge difference between the hype for Elder Scrolls Online and Guild Wars 2. I get that Guild Wars 2 is almost served up and people can smell and taste it already but are the hype meters are doing justice to both games?

 

you really need to understand that ArenaNet have worked very hard to deserve the expectations that is for GW2 right now. Call it hype or not, it is one of the most succesfull and best managed prerelease development expectations build in a community yet. The ability to convert sceptics and MMO burnouts to actual have hope for a the genre is NOT achived by adding unreasonable expectations to fans, but by walking the talk, always showing first and talking about it after fans have been able to see for them self.

This has also had the strange impact on the community here until lately (the last 1/2 year) that alot of the misconceptions about GW2 have been dealt with, simply because the fact have been availble to point out. The ability to be able to explain the changes to the genre upfront and in due time, that the developers wants to try with GW2, really earned the fansbase respect. In that respect GW2 is simply alot further down the road than Teso so far.

Finally ArenaNet have already made GW1, an outstanding different take on the MMO genre for its time. GW1 a game you really have to be ignorant not to acknowledge that what it did it did good. (thats not the same as liking it). Simply put it means ArenaNet is a compagny that have earned the reputation on being able to deliver what they promise. And when the promise to change MMO's there is reason to listen.

This is an field where the developers of TESO just stand in a different position, when it comes to enter the MMO scene. Their situations is not that different from Biowares when entering the MMO scene, and after SWTOR , MMO fans are rightfully a little wary when compagnies want to make the jump into the mmo scene- the hardest game genre to master at all.

So if you expect hype about TESO , remember that expectations must be earned.

read how to create a succesfull mmo before posting about GW2. And read tao of ArenaNet before talking about innovation in GW2

  Angzt

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7/23/12 5:06:54 AM#33
Originally posted by ozmono

I think I must be missing something because I just don't understand the huge difference between the hype for Elder Scrolls Online and Guild Wars 2. I get that Guild Wars 2 is almost served up and people can smell and taste it already but are the hype meters are doing justice to both games?

 

Many of the mechanics that made people fall in love with Guild Wars 2 are sounding extremely similar for The Elder Scrolls Online, especially the GW2 fan favourite that is the PVP system and also to a lesser extent the combat which if anything sounds more promising in the Elder Scrolls Online. Than on top of the similarities and the combat synergies (which personally I think sound great) we have a beloved IP filled with popular lore, which is surely more popular than GW2 lore.

 

Also the game doesn't seem as though it will be a casual leaning MMO like GW (atleast I've heard no mention of things that would make it such) which I thought, atleast on this site and from fans of series would be a positive.

 

Are people just jaded that their favourite sandbox single player game isn't going to be as sandboxy as they dreamed it would when it came? Or are people just cynical and requiring more information before they allow themselves to get excited?

 

I ask these questions and write this because I cannot for the life of me understand how an Elder Scrolls MMO isn't hyped up especially when I compare it to the hype of games like GW2.

 

all i heard about TES:O so far was 3 factions, we do it all better and we do it the cool way.

why should i be hyped about such infos? give us some gameplay vids or maybe even screens, and THEN we can talk about hyping it.

so far, we have a single player game that wants to be part of the bigger mmo business. sounds too familiar to hype it sorry.

 

guild wars 2 on the other hand had guild wars years before it, a solid game played by several thousands of players. they know what to expect from arenanet. they proved themselves.

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  MMOExposed

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7/25/12 11:21:08 PM#34
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by ozmono

I think I must be missing something because I just don't understand the huge difference between the hype for Elder Scrolls Online and Guild Wars 2. I get that Guild Wars 2 is almost served up and people can smell and taste it already but are the hype meters are doing justice to both games?

 

Many of the mechanics that made people fall in love with Guild Wars 2 are sounding extremely similar for The Elder Scrolls Online, especially the GW2 fan favourite that is the PVP system and also to a lesser extent the combat which if anything sounds more promising in the Elder Scrolls Online. Than on top of the similarities and the combat synergies (which personally I think sound great) we have a beloved IP filled with popular lore, which is surely more popular than GW2 lore.

 

Also the game doesn't seem as though it will be a casual leaning MMO like GW (atleast I've heard no mention of things that would make it such) which I thought, atleast on this site and from fans of series would be a positive.

 

Are people just jaded that their favourite sandbox single player game isn't going to be as sandboxy as they dreamed it would when it came? Or are people just cynical and requiring more information before they allow themselves to get excited?

 

I ask these questions and write this because I cannot for the life of me understand how an Elder Scrolls MMO isn't hyped up especially when I compare it to the hype of games like GW2.

 

Both of those, though the latter to a lesser extent. However, I would argue that, other than the character/class creation, the game will offer as much 'sandboxiness' as the singleplayer games. I say that because, when you really think about it, there isn't a whole lot of sand to be played with in any ES title, and this one won't be any different.

 

What angers me is that they're basically just slapping the ES lore on top of a slightly updated themepark model and calling it good. Any attempt to raise logical questions about the design of the game is smacked down with illogical answers and a "we know better than you" additude by the dev team.

 

The game isn't being marketed at existing ES fans, but instead at MMO fans who may have never played an ES game. Which is why, like you said, the game seems to have many features that MMO players have been asking for, but the only thing that's really ES about it is the lore. Several key ES features, such as the combat, open character design and housing, have just been tossed aside. It's like a giant slap in the face.

 

Huh? You logic is flawed. TESO is a MMO, not a single player rpg. Why would they aim at what single player rpg fans want in a MMO? Didn't SWTOR just suffer for that same reason? Think about it... That's like saying Blizzard when they made World of Warcraft, should have made it like Warcraft 3 or something... Come on.

  MMOExposed

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7/25/12 11:30:14 PM#35
Originally posted by DeniZg

After what we've seen and heard from TESO developers so far, it's most likely that TESO will be a SWTOR clone with Elder scrolls skin and 3 faction PVP.  It is expected that Elder Scrolls fanbase (and they are the ones who will fuel the hype) will not be pleased with such game design.

On the other hand, GW2, although different to GW1, in it's design still loyal to the franchise but with fresh approach at the same time , caters to both GW and non-GW fans. And of course, it delivers on everything that was promised in "manifesto".

That's why there's hype disparity between these two games.

 

 

How can you say that TESO design is not loyal to the other titles, but GW2 is loyal to GW1? If you remove the Guild Wars IP from GW2, it would be a totally unique game. Nothing about GW2 is related to GW1 gameplay except the IP stuff which goes on top of the gameplay.

  palpy

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7/25/12 11:33:25 PM#36

I'm a huge ES fan  not because of it's lore, but because of it sandbox, first person, style gameplay. I don't want to play a ES mmo that is basically WOW, with LOTRO style graphics and ES lore. I don't  give two shits about lore. I want classic Morrowind style gameplay with Skyrims updated combat in a huge persistant world.  Not 3rd person, theme parked, kill 10 spiders, press a button and watch a combat animation with floaty  damage numbers on the screen. This game is so fail , I don't even have the energy to  cry about it. 

  Worstluck

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7/25/12 11:42:06 PM#37

I love this picture of TESO...

 

http://i.imgur.com/3nncW.jpg (sorry too big to fit in the post)

 

I think a lot of mmo'ers were disappointed to find out the slated TESO is lacking a lot of the features that the srpgs had, like it's been said.  Also, (already said) TESO's creators comments have just kind of deflated any hype they could have built.  Don't have direct quotes, but things like they couldn't do housing because it's too hard to implement and even comments like innovation (the interview I think) is pretty much dead in MMOs are just silly. 

 

Maybe when the game is playable and beta phases start people will be hyped about TESO.  Right now though it doesn't sound very good IMO.

  Derpybird

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7/25/12 11:45:10 PM#38

There have been a LOT of interviews with the developers talking about the game and no actual gameplay footage.

Show us the damn game already, and I'm talking about a solid 15 minutes of actual in-game footage, then we can decide whether or not to be "hyped" about it.

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  OldManFunk

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7/25/12 11:46:03 PM#39

I can't speak for anyone else, but for me...

 

GW2 has had 3 beta weekends and releases in a month. GW2 is hyped up because it's already proven that it's a really great game and is close to going live.

 

ESO may be a great game, but it's nowhere near release and its features could change. There have been a lot of MMOs that make big promises but end up floating turds so it's hard to get excited before seeing proof of concept.

 

Of course I haven't rated the ESO hype meter. It seems like some ES fans did a #2 on it. That's not GW2's fault.

 

If ESO is a great game then I'll be sure to check it out when it's closer to release. I truly hope it is a great game because we gamers need more great games.

  Grixxitt

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7/26/12 11:27:53 AM#40
Originally posted by ozmono 

Are people just jaded that their favourite sandbox single player game isn't going to be as sandboxy as they dreamed it would when it came? Or are people just cynical and requiring more information before they allow themselves to get excited?

Disapointed, angry, even a little confused, yes, but jaded?

Jaded happened years ago when people got sick and tired of gamemakers shoveling the same crap at the MMO community as a whole.  Fast forward to today and you have an entire class of gamer frothing at the mouth because of the horrible state of MMOs today. Add a few other items into the mix like a succesion of IP cash grabs, clueless dev/producer tantems trying to make a quick buck off of a copypasta development system that is proven to fail, and the previously mentioned frothing gamer tends to frenzy, throw things, and in general not be a nice person towards everything they hate about gaming today.

 

I am one of those people, and am not ashamed to admit it. 

 

The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)

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