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  bwinthehouse

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OP  7/22/12 2:26:33 PM#1

After playing about a good 20 to 30 hours of PvP over the course of the beta sesions, I think we can all agree that the PvP combat in GW2 is not skilled. The mechanics are so basic that it seems like this game was made in the early 2000s. Literally, the most important thing you do is put your auto attack on and maybe roll twice for 1 minute.... You can't counter spells or set up kills, are you do is sit there and pew pew until you pew pew someone hard enough to kill them. You don't need to rotate cooldowns, position yourself well, or even watch what the other player is doing. All you need to do is spam damage harder then you win. The most OP classes in PvP are also the most basic and easiest the play. The classes that take a little more skill are not even viable in PvP. Areanet said they have MLG aspirations for this game but they will never become a MLG game if they do not add a element of skill to their PvP. This game is built on PvP and if they don't put some depth into it, even the fanboys noobs will start to see through its swallow front and dump the game for what it is, basic.

  SkullyWoods

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7/22/12 2:28:18 PM#2

I take it you got pew pew'd.

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  FelixMajor

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7/22/12 2:29:40 PM#3

lol Arenanet strives for pvp excellence, so I laugh in your general direction.

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  Aerowyn

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7/22/12 2:30:41 PM#4

watch his pvp videos then tell me pvp isn't about skill

http://www.youtube.com/user/taugrimtaugrim/videos

also game is new a lot of people are still very much learning the basics of all the classes

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  cronius77

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7/22/12 2:31:21 PM#5

lol yeah seriously come pew pew your auto attack and roll and dodge at me and see how fast youre taking a dirt nap.

  korent1991

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7/22/12 2:31:21 PM#6
Originally posted by bwinthehouse

After playing about a good 20 to 30 hours of PvP over the course of the beta sesions, I think we can all agree that the PvP combat in GW2 is not skilled. The mechanics are so basic that it seems like this game was made in the early 2000s. Literally, the most important thing you do is put your auto attack on and maybe roll twice for 1 minute.... 

stopped reading right there...

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  SkullyWoods

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If victory is sweet, virtual victory is not Sweet'n Low

7/22/12 2:32:02 PM#7
Originally posted by Aerowyn

watch his pvp videos then tell me pvp isn't about skill

http://www.youtube.com/user/taugrimtaugrim/videos

also game is new a lot of people are still very much learning the basics of all the classes

This guy made me decide to play a Guardian.

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  Aerowyn

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7/22/12 2:34:23 PM#8
Originally posted by SkullyWoods
Originally posted by Aerowyn

watch his pvp videos then tell me pvp isn't about skill

http://www.youtube.com/user/taugrimtaugrim/videos

also game is new a lot of people are still very much learning the basics of all the classes

This guy made me decide to play a Guardian.

taugrim makes great pvp instructional videos his videos in Rift helped me out a ton.

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  bcbully

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7/22/12 2:36:24 PM#9

Interesting way of looking at things OP. 

 

Since there are no dedicated healers, or tanks, whoever does the most damage the fastest wins? 

  jedensuscg

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7/22/12 2:36:46 PM#10

I agree with you OP, even if the arenanet fanboys do not.  The skill rotation is to basic, the auto attack feature alone hurts PvP.  It is just a paper rock scissor game.  There needs to be more reactive combat, and less proactive.  There is a lot of pre-fight setup where you get your skill set and weapon selection.  But once in combat, its just a matter of hitting those buttons.  There is no synergy between the skills you do have either.  There is no setup, no building of momentum.  There is no reaction to what the other player is doing aside from roll a few times, you can counter a potential attack with a timed parry or block or counter spell.

The skills are interesting for some classes, yes, and they do make PvP a little different from other games, but in the end there is not enough heat of the moment strategy and intuition to make this a true skill based PvP game that is worthy of MLG.

 

But time will tell, cause it is still too early.

  TheMinn

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7/22/12 2:42:33 PM#11

I actually don't think it takes skill to pvp. that is my opinion. There is never 100% balance between classes. and if you're ganked and you win but then another comes and kills you you are screwed. There really is no skill needed in pvp. A noob can win some battles against a pro. 

  ukiss2903

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7/22/12 2:53:12 PM#12
Originally posted by bwinthehouse

After playing about a good 20 to 30 hours of PvP over the course of the beta sesions, I think we can all agree that the PvP combat in GW2 is not skilled. The mechanics are so basic that it seems like this game was made in the early 2000s. Literally, the most important thing you do is put your auto attack on and maybe roll twice for 1 minute.... You can't counter spells or set up kills, are you do is sit there and pew pew until you pew pew someone hard enough to kill them. You don't need to rotate cooldowns, position yourself well, or even watch what the other player is doing. All you need to do is spam damage harder then you win. The most OP classes in PvP are also the most basic and easiest the play. The classes that take a little more skill are not even viable in PvP. Areanet said they have MLG aspirations for this game but they will never become a MLG game if they do not add a element of skill to their PvP. This game is built on PvP and if they don't put some depth into it, even the fanboys noobs will start to see through its swallow front and dump the game for what it is, basic.

u probably never heard about Cross Profession Combo. Right now in spvp, yes, pretty much all you do is spam ur skill, because you and your teammate are noobs. I give you a group of random people that never play together, and a group of people that know well each of them and know how to work to gether. When they fight, you will easily see that the "random people" group will only spam their skills while the other group work together and use cross profession combo. Which group you think will win? Think pls

  Istavaan

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7/22/12 3:07:56 PM#13
Originally posted by jedensuscg

I agree with you OP, even if the arenanet fanboys do not.  The skill rotation is to basic, the auto attack feature alone hurts PvP.  It is just a paper rock scissor game.  There needs to be more reactive combat, and less proactive.  There is a lot of pre-fight setup where you get your skill set and weapon selection.  But once in combat, its just a matter of hitting those buttons.  There is no synergy between the skills you do have either.  There is no setup, no building of momentum.  There is no reaction to what the other player is doing aside from roll a few times, you can counter a potential attack with a timed parry or block or counter spell.

The skills are interesting for some classes, yes, and they do make PvP a little different from other games, but in the end there is not enough heat of the moment strategy and intuition to make this a true skill based PvP game that is worthy of MLG.

 

But time will tell, cause it is still too early.

im a warrior i am using a great sword, i can cripple my enemy and then switch to my bow and kite the guy down. Is that not strategy?

  Istavaan

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7/22/12 3:10:39 PM#14
Originally posted by TheMinn

I actually don't think it takes skill to pvp. that is my opinion. There is never 100% balance between classes. and if you're ganked and you win but then another comes and kills you you are screwed. There really is no skill needed in pvp. A noob can win some battles against a pro. 

the only reason a noob cant bet a pro in other mmo's is because of gear..you really think a game like wow requires more skill than gw2? wow a game heavily dependant on gear to be successful.

  Badaboom

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7/22/12 3:14:37 PM#15
Anyone spamming kills will get killed by a player who is strategically pressing the right skills.
  User Deleted
7/22/12 3:16:34 PM#16
Originally posted by korent1991
Originally posted by bwinthehouse

After playing about a good 20 to 30 hours of PvP over the course of the beta sesions, I think we can all agree that the PvP combat in GW2 is not skilled. The mechanics are so basic that it seems like this game was made in the early 2000s. Literally, the most important thing you do is put your auto attack on and maybe roll twice for 1 minute.... 

stopped reading right there...

I stopped reading at the title and then i started laughing my buttocks off! OMG seriously? could we find an even more wrong far fetched complaint? For those who don't know, you have to have all your skills learned in the weapon of your choice before heading into pvp with anyone, oh and you might wanna learn those dodge and heal buttons. Heck i don't even pvp and even i know that.

 

  Alders

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7/22/12 3:18:03 PM#17

Thread lost credit as soon as "rotation" was uttered.

  plescure

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7/22/12 3:24:49 PM#18
Originally posted by korent1991
Originally posted by bwinthehouse

After playing about a good 20 to 30 hours of PvP over the course of the beta sesions, I think we can all agree that the PvP combat in GW2 is not skilled. The mechanics are so basic that it seems like this game was made in the early 2000s. Literally, the most important thing you do is put your auto attack on and maybe roll twice for 1 minute.... 

stopped reading right there...

exactly what he said^

actually thats a lie. it was as soon as i read the comment about positioning not mattering that i realised that the op doesnt know what he's talking about. sry OP but its out there now.

If someone is talking in general chat in a language you dont understand, chances are they're not talking to you. So chill out and stop bitching about it!

  newbinator

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7/22/12 3:24:52 PM#19

I'm not gonna lie and say I've logged a ton of hours PvPing in GW2. But from my limited experience thus far, it does seems very basic, and not on par with the skill required for PvP in games like WoW. That's my honest opinion, but I'm sure many will disregard me as a Blizz fanboi.

  Aerowyn

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7/22/12 3:28:39 PM#20
Originally posted by newbinator

I'm not gonna lie and say I've logged a ton of hours PvPing in GW2. But from my limited experience thus far, it does seems very basic, and not on par with the skill required for PvP in games like WoW. That's my honest opinion, but I'm sure many will disregard me as a Blizz fanboi.

sure at launch anyone could have made the exact same argument on any game.. people need to learn the classes but really just watch Taugrims videos he is a skilled pvper and shows how well a skilled player can do in this game.

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

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